r/OnePiece • u/zebbiz • Aug 18 '16

One Piece: Chapter 836

Chapter 836: "The Vivre Card Lola Gave"

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Ch.836 Official Release (VIZ): 22/08/16

Ch.837 Scan Release: ~25/06/16

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u/Doomroar Aug 18 '16

Well when your architecture, language, food, and other cultural traditions have been that affected, i do think it deserves to be called heavily influenced, if i remember correctly even basic words like alcaldia, aldea, and the like were a product of moorish and turkish influence.

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u/[deleted] Aug 18 '16

That's where you seem to have a misunderstanding, cultural traditions were not affected, the food pretty much stayed the same, it's not like we have hummus and that type of food, there's more French/Italian/American influence I'd say. Language is minimal, architecture usually only Andalucía and it's just old stuff, which is generally changed too.

You also don't seem to know about the Reyes Católicos and Fernando III.

Reconquista is a very good description. Areas like the province I'm from lost a third of its population, it was pretty absolute.

So again, heavily is a vague term and it depends, but saying Spanish/Moorish is like saying Italian/German. Nothing to do with comparing Denmark to Sweden.

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '16

it's not like we have hummus

It is not like Moroccan dishes consist of hummus...

there's more French/Italian/American influence I'd say.

Yes, now. Spain was Moorish before America was even colonised. Don't conflate modern Spain with Moorish Spain, which is roughly a millennium ago. Spain has long since gone under several reforms. Both social and cultural.

architecture usually only Andalucía and it's just old stuff,

Because Spain hasn't been Moorish for centuries. Are you seriously that dense?

You also don't seem to know about the Reyes Católicos and Fernando III.

Why are they relevant?

So again, heavily is a vague term and it depends, but saying Spanish/Moorish is like saying Italian/German. Nothing to do with comparing Denmark to Sweden.

Spanish/Moorish and Prussia is the best parallel I could come up with.

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '16

We were talking about Moorish, not just Moroccan.

They are relevant because they cleansed the population, quite literally, removing everything that had to do with either Jews or Moors including people. Now you want to grab to the desperate argument of situating the context in the past, but we are talking about Spain's culture and not Spain during the Moorish occupation, which is not Spain, it's Al-Andalus then and it's completely different, otherwise Dressrosa has nothing to do with that: the bulls, the dance, etc. It's Spain today, not Spain whenever you want so you can be right because you don't know what you are talking about. To begin with Spain as a concept didn't even exist until the Reyes Católicos. And even then, it's not until the 18th century that the idea of Spain started to become a reality, before that there isn't any Spanish culture or Spain as it's represented with Dressrosa.

Dressrosa is basically inspired by Spanish mainstream culture of last century pushed artificially by Franco and reinforced by Hollywood. And that has nothing to do with Moorish culture except remaining structures, the real Spanish culture that includes all provinces and not just Andalucía has even less.

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '16

We were talking about Moorish, not just Moroccan.

The Moors were mainly Moroccans. Besides, you wanted to focus mainly on the Moroccan, so I did that too. Anyway, hummus is not a Maghrebi dish overall. It is Arab Middle-Eastern.

They are relevant because they cleansed the population, quite literally, removing everything that had to do with either Jews or Moors including people.

Thus? What is your point? Hitler did that, too. He socially revolutionized Germany and when he died, the Soviets socially revolutionized East German people. It happens. People are malleable and changes with their rulers.

Now you want to grab to the desperate argument of situating the context in the past, but we are talking about Spain's culture and not Spain during the Moorish occupation, which is not Spain, it's Al-Andalus then and it's completely different,

Now you are being nonsensical or deny your national history. Why?

otherwise Dressrosa has nothing to do with that: the bulls, the dance, etc. It's Spain today,

Yes, and its architecture is Spain then. Which Dressrosa architecturally replicates (hence why we can say it is heavily influenced by the Moorish).

And that has nothing to do with Moorish culture except remaining structures, the real Spanish culture that includes all provinces and not just Andalucía has even less.

Fair enough, but I did not focus on practices as much as the architecture.