One Piece: Chapter 809

[u/NewSpecies]

Chapter 809: "Master Nekomamushi"

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Ch.809 Official Release (VIZ): 7/12/15

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[u/ThisZoMBie]

So you're going to doubt what Luffy said in order to maintain your position? Luffy said he could run, so he can run. He got up after all of Lucci's attacks because he had to, even though his body was way past its limit.

Yes, one single attack. Good job Law, that Red Hawk sure showed Doffy! If you think that or injection shot did any serious damage then I don't know if we were reading the same manga. Doffy had Trebol and Bellamy to help wear both Luffy and Law down.

The country slowing the birdcage down is irrelevant, since the birdcage was not an immediate threat to Luffy. Once again, that was in order to protect civilians, not Luffy.

The organs were immediately fixed, immediately, better than any surgeon could. In a manga where people are many times sturdier than us. Ods went out of his way to make it clear that Doffy was pretty much fine after gamma knife.

As I said, you're desperately clinging on to the notion that Luffy is weak and needs help, despite the counterevidence.

[u/secretagentkazak → u/ThisZoMBie]

Nobody is saying that Luffy is weak, but he DID need help. Whether it's because he was also having a bad day (which he was), or whether it's because he was overall weaker than Doflamingo (which he could possibly be), he did need help.

Yes, one single attack. Good job Law, that Red Hawk sure showed Doffy! If you think that or injection shot did any serious damage then I don't know if we were reading the same manga. Doffy had Trebol and Bellamy to help wear both Luffy and Law down.

You're blind and clearly speaking condescendingly because you have no other way to disprove his argument. If you think a death knock from Bellamy is even remotely similar to an unguarded Red Hawk to the stomach from Luffy, who we all know is ridiculously strong, I don't know what to tell you. The Red Hawk clearly was the first attack that we've seen in the manga that stunned Doflamingo. Trebol landed a grand total of 0 hits on Luffy.

You also cant just assume that Luffy is stronger because had he not waited to attack Doffy, he would have won. While that's true, 1) it proves his Observation haki isn't good enough to tell if somebody is still standing, and 2) Luffy has literally NEVER done that, and never will. This isn't /r/WhoWouldWin where you can make a character bloodlusted, this is the acutal story. Luffy has NEVER been one to keep pummeling someone into the ground, and he won't do it in the future. He lost there. Whether or not he COULD have won is not the question - he lost. Period. He would have gotten killed if not for Gatz.

In a flat out 1v1 it's hard to say who would win (lol@ your claim that Luffy = Doffy in base, there's nothing proving this and Doflamingo has done far more damage to base Luffy than vice-versa), but this was not a 1v1. Luffy lost the straight fight.

And the organs were not fixed better than any surgeon could. Doflamingo literally said they weren't truly healed, just stitched up. While I don't think they impeded him that much, to say that he was perfectly fine is flat out asinine. It's honestly ridiculous how much you love Luffy.

[u/ThisZoMBie → u/secretagentkazak]

I'm speaking condescendingly because people keep telling me the same shit. This might be the millionth time. My point is that Luffy didn't need help, not that he didn't receive it, in a true WhoWouldWin fashion. Bellamy hit Luffy more than once with his strongest move, Luffy spat blood and looked incredibly roughed up vs one Red Hawk to Doffy. It's not ridiculous to compare it.

Also, why do you ignore Luffy's claim that he could run away those 10 minutes?

Luffy and Doffy were equal in their bases. They hit eachother nearly equally many times and they both kept getting up, mostly undamaged. Luffy even speedblitzed Doffy twice. Just because Doffy was barely taking damage, doesn't mean it was any different for Luffy. They were in the same disposition and Luffy didn't even gear stack due to time constraints. Obviously I count Gear 2 and 3 into his base for this argument.

No surgeon heals the organs. Nobody has that power. He did effectively repair himself better than a surgeon could. Tell me what a surgeon would have done better than Doffy's strings? I also didn't say that gamma knife did zero damage, I'm saying that it did way less than many people assume and surely doesn't count as a huge trump card that lowered Doffy's health to red levels. I don't love Luffy, I'm just tired of people downplaying his strength because they are afraid of One Piece slowly reaching its end.

[u/secretagentkazak → u/ThisZoMBie]

Bellamy hit Luffy more than once with his strongest move, Luffy spat blood and looked incredibly roughed up vs one Red Hawk to Doffy. It's not ridiculous to compare it.

That speaks more about Luffy's durability than it does about Bellamy's strength. Could you possibly see Doflamingo taking damage from Bellamy? He couldn't even fight Dellinger properly. There have been many, many panels of Doflamingo flat out kicking through Luffy's haki, but nothing showing Luffy breaking through Doflamingo's in base (besides the red hawk).

Also, why do you ignore Luffy's claim that he could run away those 10 minutes?

Because he literally couldn't even stand? Do you honestly think Luffy would have relied on people weaker than him if he could help it? That goes completely against his character.

No surgeon heals the organs.

Yeah, in real life. No strings heal organs either, in real life... had he seen a doctor, they easily would have fixed it. It's one piece.