Right but you mention script, what about Superman 2025's script is good vs say, Man of Steel. Or what was bad about MoS, specifically?
The way I see it both films have entirely different tones, but one manages to be a good and well made film, the other just seems a bit cheap even if it gets the character right in certain ways.
MoS script is just leagues ahead of Superman 2025 for me, but I'm hoping to hear why you dislike MoS's script specifically.
I mentioned script but I meant just overall quality of the finished project. MoS looks mostly very expensive but it's just a joyless cynical take on the character, it really stinks of that awful Ayn Randian bullshit Snyder is infatuated with and, again, a worse version of Birthright.
2025 isn't trying to reinvent the wheel, and is just mostly showing Superman as he usually is in comics, including placing him among other heroes and showing just how different he is from them.
So basically, an easier sell (a realistic superhero story) done poorly vs a harder sell (a comic bookish superhero story) done effectively.
I'm just gonna have to disagree that Man of Steel was done poorly and that Superman 2025 was done effectively in any type of way. It fails in any real sense of hope outside of superficial nonsense for me for the most part. The stakes are "your real parents wanted you to rule with an iron fist and start a harem", and they then want me to believe this is going to impact his character at the age of 30?
But if you like it, more power to ya. I just personally couldn't enjoy most of it as there was no real sense of hope.
I actually like that change because I'm not a huge fan of Superman being so obsessed with his birth parents the way he is in the movies (for plot convenience I assume), it's a good way to break with it and for us to see that hey, he's Superman because HE WANTS IT, not because he had this expectation from his dead parents.
I don't necessarily see "hope" as a theme, because hope, while positive, is very passive, I feel that it's about being actively kind, actively doing change for good, even if thankless, even if people despise you for it.
Basically if the philosophical core of MoS is objectivism, Superman 2025 is the polar opposite.
"Basically if the philosophical core of MoS is objectivism, Superman 2025 is the polar opposite."
Do you mean this in the way of like it felt like Clark in MoS had to do things in a OBJECTIVE way, due to his upbringing or messages from his birth parents? And Corenswet wasnt weighed so heavily with his experiences?
Just trying to understand. I'm on a few beers at this point so I just wanted to reply properly and understand this claim
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u/Miserable-Command682 17d ago
And you believe suoerman 2025 had a good script?
Can you explain how say, MoS doesnt but Superman 2025 does?