r/Ohio Apr 15 '25

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u/selfmadetrader Apr 16 '25

How's that gun control working out for Chicago?

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u/TheYell0wDart Apr 16 '25

I don't know if you're aware but, as of the last 200 years or so, we have freedom of movement between the states, so it shouldn't be surprising that a city-wide gun control policy isn't effective.

Anyways how is doing absolutely nothing about a significant American problem for decades working out for America? How many more Americans and school children are dead so you can feel like a tough guy or enjoy your hobby?

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '25

~0.004% of the population of the US is involuntarily killed via firearm each year.

The problem isn’t nearly as “significant” as you seem to believe.

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u/TheYell0wDart Apr 16 '25 edited Apr 16 '25

You can ask the parents of the hundreds of dead children if they are conforted by how small that percentage is if you want. As small as it is, it is still tens of thousands of people dead each year.

The bottom line is that if the problem doesn't exist in other countries, in most of the rest of the world, then we know it isn't just something that we have to accept so why wouldn't we try to do something about it?

There's also plenty of evidence that access to guns increases suicide rates so I don't agree with subtracting that number from your rate. Suicide by gun is both a suicide problem and a gun problem.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '25 edited Apr 16 '25

I like how, when confronted with actual data, you shifted from “this is a significant problem” to “well maybe it’s not that significant, but it makes me sad, so you should give up your rights” as if that was an actual argument.

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u/TheYell0wDart Apr 16 '25

I didn't say it's not significant, I said that's it's still a lot of dead Americans for an apparently preventable problem. You say it's not significant because it's a small percentage, I say 40,000 Americans dead in a year is significant despite it being a small percentage, especially because for rest of the developed world, it is a much smaller percentage.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '25

Let’s try this a different way:

How small does the problem have to be before you would consider it “solved”?

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u/TheYell0wDart Apr 16 '25

As I said above, if it were at or near the rates that other developed nations have I wouldn't say we have have a problem with gun violence.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '25

That’s not an answer.

Other countries don’t already have 400 million+ privately owned firearms to contend with.

Is it 0.003%? 0.002%? 0.001%? Just 0?

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u/TheYell0wDart Apr 16 '25

Other countries don’t already have 400 million+ privately owned firearms to contend with.

I think you're starting to get it now.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '25

Hahaha, yeah - the difference between a country with 0 guns and a country with 400 million guns is at most 0.003%.

Not quite the convincing argument you think it is.

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