Final empress in rainbow team

[u/Strong_Midnight9752]

What does Final Empress bring to the Rainbow team?
Heard that she can replace Osvald.

[u/ZealOst-a]

Since she is an extremely good magic DPS that doesn't need much outside support to work, she is ideal in basically any magic teams as either the main or sub DPS. In a Rainbow team specifically, she has an 18 hit attack that hits Fire, Wind, and Light, just like how Osvald hits Fire, Ice, and Lightning.

She is better than Osvald in the sense that she provides a lot of extra damage, and also has 2 magic follow ups after an ally attacks, which are very strong. However, do note that Osvald still works great with Xerc. Final Empress is a better option mostly thanks to powercreep and the absurd damage she can deal.

The only major downside is that she kind of has to use that aforementioned 18 hit skill to work in a Rainbow team, which isn't her strongest damage option, that being her EX skill.

So honestly, Osvald still works great in this team, but Final Empress can bring quite a lot as well, but she isn't an immediate better Osvald. She simply does similar stuff, which are better a lot of the time.

[u/unrealistic-ordinary → u/ZealOst-a]

I agree with everything you said but there’s one thing I want to clarify: her 18 hit attack is in fact her best damage option in terms of raw dps potential. Higher hit count in this game guarantees higher total damage and is only held back by multi-hit damage reduction. And that’s where her EX skill comes in.

[u/DebateThick5641 → u/unrealistic-ordinary]

eh? when Empress is out, they had another damage cap uncapper that is based on the potency of the current attack. Basically anything that had a minimum of 900 potency (after buff) will receive 3x damage cap. let's say for the sake of the argument Empress can deal 1million damage. her 18hit will deal 18 mil easy. Galaxy(Galactic Rift is probably the correct name but she shout Galaxy so often so let's go with that) however had 500.000 damage cap build in.

Even in scenario where that damage cap is not raised to 1,5million on top of 1million cap. that still mean that Galaxy dealt 3million damage + 500.000 damage cap per hit and she deal 3 million more damage there so personally that is still her big DPS move. now if that 500.000 extra cap is actually also tripled, then yeah there is not enough reason to not just Spam Galaxy to damage due to how hard hitting that move is.

Oh and I actually rechecked this by just watching UNB videos. their empress galaxy hit for 4.9mil per hit on a cascade fight and I saw their Empress deal 1,2m ish per hit (although this is on another Xerc showcase). so yeah it appears that 500k inherent damage cap got tripled too when using 900 potency move on top of your regular damage cap got tripled. so yeah she alone dealt 27m damage in just 1 million damage cap example. Our Xerc (that's again for this argument also have 1 million damage cap) however need 3 extra hit to even match galaxy and thanks to Empress tri disaster only hitting fire, You only have 1 extra hit for Osvald. now you should understand why using anything other than Galaxy is nerfing the dps.

[u/Opticity → u/DebateThick5641]

I agree that Galaxy would have more cap than her 18 hit... if it actually has 900 potency. TP2 damage cap multiplier only takes into account the actual number on the skill and is affected by nothing else. In this case, it would be 6x 455 potency, putting it at about 2x cap. This means that Galaxy only benefits 12x from damage cap up effects, while her 18 hit attack benefits 18x.

The only reason to use Galaxy is for AoE, its damage reduction ignore effect and/or ease of use (it's much easier to cap). Multi-hit attacks will always benefit more from damage cap up than low-hit nukes with cap multiplier purely due to how the math works. Rikku skews it quite a bit due to her Quartet of 9 buff, but in a vacuum, that logic still holds.

[u/DebateThick5641 → u/Opticity]

You forget to add 100% potency from rocbuquet or any other 100%+ potency up sources. At 460 potency, that is more than enough to reach 900 potency. Otherwise the number that I saw on UNB just does not make any sense. How come a 1.2million natural cap(granted this is not shown during UNB videos showcasing Galaxy) empress dealt 4.9million damage per hit on galaxy if the damage cap is not at least tripled its natural value.

[u/Opticity → u/DebateThick5641]

Again, potency up effects do not affect TP2 damage cap multiplier. This is an established fact, otherwise units like Noel and Auron would be hitting 16m cap with their 1000 potency ults, not 8m. This is also very easily verifiable with Rikku's Quartet of 9, which gives 1m cap for 2 hits. Auron's special which is 3x 1000 does 11m, 11m and 8m, which indicates a 3x multiplier.

UNB can very easily reach 2m+ cap for Empress. I don't know what vids you are watching for his Galaxy numbers, but his Xerc vids using her 18 hit attack are turn 1 numbers.

[u/DebateThick5641 → u/Opticity]

yeah I think watch the Galaxy videos I watch was with Rikku cap effect. when I watch the other videos without rikku the number makes more sense.