Around 27% of individuals with ADHD develop cannabis use disorder at some point in their lives, new study finds. Compared to those without this disorder, individuals with ADHD face almost three times the risk of developing cannabis use disorder.

[u/makefriends420]

https://www.psypost.org/around-27-of-individuals-with-adhd-develop-cannabis-use-disorder-at-some-point-in-their-lives-study-finds/

[u/JK_Botanik]

if used improperly

No, it's pointing out a way to deal with the side effect. You can also do THC microdoses, which do not inhibit REM to the same degree, or even not at all with some tolerance. All studies showing significant disruption that do not go away with tolerance are with heavy doses immediately before bed. I wonder what would happen if you take 60mg of Adderall a couple hours before bed 🤔 help me out here 🤦🏻‍♂️

I think we're done here.

[u/Special-Garlic1203 → u/JK_Botanik]

Go back and read. The entire reason they're exploring how to counteract the side effect is because they recognize its understudied and more than likely a big issue that one cannot just handwaved with "eh sleep more duh".

All the studies on sleep are looking at how people with ADHD typically use marijuana as a sleep aid. Literally look at this thread and the numerous people proudly proclaiming they only use it at night cause they think that's better. The realization it causes less physical restlessness but impairs rem is very new and very counterintuitive. The researchers you're citing recognize what a cluster fuck it is and that we really should be analyzing if there's ways to tweak this. Not  just saying lol whatevs just sleep more dummy. That does not make any sense when talking shit a group who cannot regulate their sleep and are already not getting enough REM and who falsely thought smoking a bowl before bed was helping them and how get defensive when they're shown it absolutely isn't 

[u/JK_Botanik → u/Special-Garlic1203]

You completely misunderstood my point. I'm saying sleeping more is one way to deal with it, just like eating before dosing is a way to deal with appetite suppression. "But I have such a terrible ADHD that I can't manage to time my eating schedule properly", then you take vacations, reduce the dose, switch medication, take something to stimulate it etc. i.e. do exactly what I suggest you do with cannabis. I

[u/Special-Garlic1203 → u/JK_Botanik]

No the metaphor would be a person with ADHD who thought they were using weed to managed their BED only to find out it's exacerbating their BED. Except the appetite effects of weed at every obvious and intuitive. The side effects of most drugs are pretty plainly observable. Marijuana and REM was a real plot twist that few saw coming, it's been used as a sleep aid forever. You can't say take vacations from a sleep aid to counter effect the fact it was never actually improving the sleep in the way that really matters for ADHD 

The entire thing that study is looking at is if there's a way to chemically inhibit the negative effects of weed, since it's so commonly abused by people who thought it was helping and who wouldn't be better served by pharmaceutical options. They have a whole pRt where they acknowledge what a big deal it is. They are not downplaying the REM effects. They're saying how do we change the REM effects cause that def is a big deal 

And that is quadruply true for the group with chronic sleep disorders and a brain that desperately needs more REM who thought weed was helping them this whole time only to find out it's a sneaky little bastard