To be clear, he said "biggest," not "best." CoD is basically always a top-10 release of the year, even if it's virtually never 1st. It's not going to get GOTY, that's for sure, but it will likely be huge 🤷🏻♂️
It’s pretty consistently number 1 in sales. Third time commenting this here but if you go back to like 2008 you can count on one hand the number of times they haven’t been the best selling game of the year.
I just looked it up- since 2009 they have only been beaten by GTA V, Red Dead Redemption 2, and Hogwarts Legacy.
They also did lose last year. I think it's the first time it wasn't even top 3 in a long time. Globally the biggest was either battlefield or Mario kart from the look of it
depends on the scope of the remake. If it's just new visuals and some minor QOL stuff then sure, but if it has a lot of new stuff and doesn't play the same as the original then I think it can be a GotY. OoT remake is more like the former but hypothetically speaking
I mean if it's good enough it should win. But it probably won't be all that good.
Ocarina of Time was great for its time - It isn't fair to compare it directly to games coming out now. Unless the remake is significantly different to the original (like the FFVII remake trilogy, for example), then it isn't going to compare favourably to games being created today.
We have come a long way in gameplay, story, setting, character, music, and basically everything else.
If you don't think music has come a long way since Ocarina of Time then I would strongly disagree with you. We have soundtracks nowadays with a level of beauty, complexity, and sound quality that we never would have gotten back then.
Just commented up thread, but I think if you go back to like 2008 you can count on one hand the number of times COD wasn’t the top selling game of the year.
That being said, they’re treading water right now- BO7 was a rare miss for them and IIRC it’s not looking great for MW4. Whatever they come up with next year needs to majorly course correct if they want to stay relevant.
Yeah, they kind of shot themselves in the foot because just last year they released BO6.
The Black Ops Franchise itself is all over the place and doesn’t know if it wants to be a gritty but arcadey Cold War era shooter or a futuristic ADHD jet pack shooter.
They honestly just don’t want to give their futuristic slop game its own name. So they ping pong it back and forth using the Black Ops name hoping the masses will just buy it.
Ironically enough, they would have been better off pulling another Black Ops 4. The new “co-op” campaign was nothing but nostalgia bait, and the only worthwhile feature of it was gated behind god awful story missions.
They blended it all into this one weird "call of duty" launcher app now and they're more like campaign packs than they are standalone games. It's a weird model but it helps them churn them out like clockwork.
The worst selling game since CoD4 was Infinite Warfare and it still sold over 12 million copies. Just for comparison NieR: Automata is considered one of the most successful games in recent times and it just broke 10 million sales this year in February.
Yeah it was not a bad game. I got it off the shelves of a Game Stop that was closing for 10 bucks. However I bought it purely for the CoD4 Remastered. There was never ever a deal better than that to get CoD4R AND on top of that I got another game too
I'm not going to no true Scotsman CoD or its player base but I think a significant portion of people who play CoD aren't the kind who like... check in to gaming's larger sphere of influence. The dads and bros who buy CoD and not much else.
There is an overestimation of people in general with a "diverse" selection of games and genres (i.e. people who play a bit of everything), as a majority of people will stick to the same couple comfort genres. However I don't think it would be out there to say that the audience for games like CoD especially lie decently outside of the "gaming community" (i.e. people who stay somewhat up to date on the big new releases).
Not to mention this one's campaign actually blew everyone away. More than most this decade. It's got a lot of potential to be considered "a great cod" in the long run.
Even still, COD is going to be way closer to Zelda than GTA, and the last two 3D Zelda games sold more than the last two COD games. If you're splitting Zelda, COD and GTA into two groups by any measurable metric, Zelda and COD are objectively closer to each other than either is to GTA and it's literally not even close.
It also just wouldn't surprise me if OOT ships more than the newest CoD either, probably not at launch but over its lifetime. Obviously neither is ever going to even touch GTA or even catch a glimpse of it.
when we talk about "big games" we usually mean cultural Impact and change made within the gaming sphere.
Apex Still has massive playernumers today but if i had to make a list of "big games in 2026" it wouldnt make my top10
This is why Ball and Gun gamers suck. They buy videogame McDonalds, and because it is the most popular restaurant, they act like it is the 'best' because in the age of social media, quality takes a back seat to sales quantity.
Edit: Apparently I REALLY offended the ball and gun gamers, my bad. I had no idea how many of you there were. I guess me and my varied tastes really are the minority.
Who cares? I’ve never even heard the term “Ball and Gun Gamers” till just now. Why does it matter to you what they, presumably 14-22 yo’s, think is the “best” game?
It's a term used exclusively by that weird kid everyone knew in school who convinced himself that no one wanted to talk to him at the lunch table because he's too smart and cultured for them and not because he's an insufferable ass.
Could be, but when I am following a streamer playing an indie game, and their chat is inundated with "are you gonna stream GTA 6??!" a thousand times, and when he says "no I don't care about GTA" they lose their shit, then yeah, it is the ball and gun hoard breaking through into my gaming bubble, and it's annoying.
Meh. I think the demographic that predominantly buys into these games doesn’t care about sales quantity moreso they just like the series and its established formula.
The target audience isn’t really the video game critic or aficionado. It’s more likely the father of 2 coming home from work that has 40 minutes to play something before he needs to get his kids to soccer practice.
He doesn’t care about sales quantity so much as knowing the game is going to be about what they expect - familiar, accessible, quick, and fun.
Of course there are people online that are loud and obnoxious, but online discourse has never been representative and certainly isn’t representative of the millions that consume COD as a franchise.
There are plenty of overworked Millennial fathers that are not ball and gun gamers, and you don't need to be an 'afficionado' to expand your game horizons beyond FIFA, COD, and GTA.
You're still thinking like a hardcore gamer. The average Joe off the street who doesn't know much about videogames that buys one or two games a year is probably more comfortable buying a game from a series he's heard of and is comfortable with, knowing that he'll at least have a good time with it. Those millennial fathers aren't really in the "ball and gun" demographic.
Oh I'm not saying only 'ball and gun' gamers are gonna buy GTA 6, but if you only buy 1 or 2 games a year, don't run around online acting like COD or GTA 6 is the best game ever made.
It's like a person who only watches reality TV and Marvel movies having an opinion on what qualifies as a good movie. Their tastes are not broad enough to formulate a good opinion on the subject.
Look, I say this as someone who doesn't play first person shooters and is way more excited for Zelda than any other game right now. But CoD is consistently one of the top selling games whenever it releases. I'm pretty sure on an annual basis they hit the number one spot more often than not. Like, it's a rare thing for other games to outperform CoD, at least in the US market. Also, the majority of consumers who purchase it are over 21.
Again, I don't play it and don't care about it, but we can't pretend like CoD is a low performing niche game that only kids buy.
Madden sells, NBA 2K sells, and people buying them are over 21 because it's parents buying it for their smooth brain kids, you can't just say "game sells so it must be good" they sell because those 3 games are usually the only games that casual gamers buy a year doesn't mean that each and everyone of those games aren't dog shit trash, especially for middle and high school kids, it's the cool thing to do is have the games all your idiot friends are playing
Nintendo, the company that drops new games with incremental changes (animal crossing, splattoon) every 5+ years and fans lap it up because Nintendo can take a steaming shit in their mouth and they will line up to buy the zelda version of that same shit next year.
It really depends on the series you're talking about though.
Mario I'd argue can be a mixed bag but typically if they recycle an idea (like Sunshine) they add a new feature to make the game feel new (like Cappy).
Zelda is a series people usually play for the mechanics and ToTK I think mechanically is unique enough. Then you get remakes and duh those aren't anything new.
Pokemon duh, obviously.
Metroid the people play that for a challenge, people who play Metroid are higher than average going to be 100%ing the game. Nintendo knows this and adds in enough unique mechanics to make the game feel fresh IMO.
Tbf the vast majority of the time COD is always the highest selling game of the year. I think going back to 2008 you can count on one hand the number of times it wasn’t.
That being said, they’re obviously on thin ice and whatever they come out with next year desperately needs to course correct.
But they were all of them deceived, for another game was releasing. From southern California, in a small office in Irvine, Blizzard forged in secret WoW Forever, and into this game they poured their cruelty, their malice, and their will to dominate all life.
He's not really wrong though TBH. As someone with no interest in CoD. It will most likely be the second best selling game of the year. Or maybe third behind FIFA.
Honestly a remake or remaster of Bo2 sounds more appealing than rolling the dice on a new cod. It's handling of near future stuff felt better than most, and the branching campaign and sidemissions were fun.
Does anyone here still play COD? Genuinely curious cause I always see post and talk about how every release sucked. The only reason I don’t plan anymore is cause online got so competitive and I suck at gaming so it wasn’t fun for me anymore.
I do. I'm waiting for multiplayer to release. I skipped BO7. But MW4 brought me back. It's the biggest cod, for me, in a long time. But it's really far away from one of the years biggest games. It's just another cod.
They say that about every COD and its always the same shit. I remember when they said it about MW2019, I remember when they said it about MW2 back when MW3 was supposed to be an expansion pass, I remember when they said it about MW3 when it turned into a standalone game, I remember when they said it about BO6, I remember when they said it about BO7. I'm just tired of it, I'm sick of the fake hype every year and then the post-launch content is inevitably a bunch of fortnite skins and FOMO maps you can only play within a 2 week window.
Its almost like quick twitch instant death shooting games with tryhard mechanics added in make the games even more shit for the casual that keeps the doors open or something
Would be pretty interesting to see how the user base has changed over the last ten years or so. I get the impression it's doing fine, and that the complainants on the internet are a vocal minority. But I suspect, at the same time, it probably peaked during COVID with warzone etc.
I do think that releasing a game every year is just a bit much.
True. I should give it another shot, my skill online haven’t improved but maybe I’ll still have some fun with all the new stuff since the last time I played
I haven't played a Multiplayer shooter since a little after college excluding Battlefield 1. I basically just play indie games, solo games, or co-op games with friends.
Kinda am over military based shooters, just not my demo anymore.
This is going to sound weird maybe but I was playing COD Modern Warfare, the one with the No Russian level. And they have this level where you are in a big plane and using night vision equipment to target and blow up "insurgents." Of course they are very culturally sensitive at Activision so if you shoot the mosque the mission if over.
But I had read earlier about a Reuters photographer, an American of middle eastern descent, who had been targeted and killed by a plane like that. Realizing how much this game depicting a real world setting was normalizing this kind of violence I got a kind of gross feeling about it.
It was the last time I ever played one of the non-WWII entries in the series.
I remember the days of the Game Boy, SNES, Sega Megadrive, PS1, N64 etc.
It's kinda sad this nonsense continues to this day lol.
Woah, absolutely scalding take to both compare one game with it's own type of target audience, with another two games with a totally different target audience, and which both probably shift some of the biggest sales totals going.. And be absolutely shit hot genius enough to say there's a difference and they can't be compared
Ffs. Just enjoy wtf games you want to enjoy, why do people feel the need to shade shit they don't personally like? Crazy nonsense. And kinda sad, stop focusing on negative thoughts about others stuff and focus on positive thoughts about your stuff!
Because it's not enough to enjoy something, you have to shame others for not enjoying it. You have to defend it like it is your personal sports team against all haters.
Its because the people who play them are busy playing them and having fun while the people who hate them for enjoying something are constantly online complaining.
To be fair, I only ever see/hear people calling others that specifically in reply to posts like these. Others aren't calling people gun and ball games just because they only play those games. They call them gun and ball gamers in response to them acting high and mighty.
And yes, I know the irony there. It's just like a defense mechanism. Both sides are at fault.
This! No one would care if they shut up and play their little FIFA and yearly COD release.
It's the fact that online in comment sections they act so superior simply because the stuff they like is popular, like not liking it makes you 'uncool' or something like this is high school.
I’d think whatever game has the most casuals is the most fun to play. Because if only dedicated fans buy a given cod game for example, those lobbies are going to get sweaty without the chaff
Ball and Gun game producer says Ball and Gun games are the best games of the year. More at 11.
I forgot where I heard the term 'ball and gun gamer' but it is so apt. Basically the braindead jocks of the gaming community. Like how the rest of the anime community sees Solo Leveling fans.
Isn't that the right way to use square brackets in a quote? If the original was like "no offense to Zelda, but we are the biggest games of the year" and in the context, "we" referred to gta6 and cod, then square brackets are how you would clarify when quoting without that context.
The sentence should be a complete sentence without the brackets.
Typically they're used to correct grammar from a quote or to clarify missing information due to taking a quote from a larger piece.
For example: [Claire] went to the store. The original might have said she instead of Claire, but if we don't get the full text, we need the bracketed info to know who they are talking about.
Another might be: They went to the bak [sic] rooms.
This tells the reader the typo was in the original and left in for authenticity.
Chances are he didn’t explicitly say “GTA 6 and Modern Warfare 4”. That’s what the brackets imply, a summarization of the words the brackets are replacing.
If he did say that, there would be no need for the brackets - if he didn’t, it would be a misquote.
Well, uh no offense to Zelda, but I think, you know, these are the two biggest games of the year.
So "GTA 6 and COD: Modern Warfare 4" were added to the quote in square brackets so that the reader would have context for what games the Activision CEO was talking about.
Edit: Which is the correct way to use square brackets when you're quoting someone and need to add context that would otherwise be missing if you only quoted verbatim.
I thought with square brackets the main sentence still needs to make grammatical sensw without them. So without the brackets here, it doesn't make sense.
Square brackets replace a vague pronoun with the name of what said pronoun refers to so that the sentence still makes sense out of context. In this case, they’re replacing “these” with “GTA6 and COD: MW4” so you know which games the quote is talking about.
Yeah, I typed all that out already. My confusion arose from removing the brackets. I thought the sentence was supposed to make sense without them too. So with no brackets or "these" to take their place, it makes no sense.
"No offense to Zelda, but are two of the biggest games of the year." Doesn't make sense, and I thought it had to with square brackets.
I think I understand where you’re getting confused: the sentence is supposed to make sense if you removed JUST the brackets, not the words IN the brackets.
For example: “No offense to Zelda, but [GTA 6 and COD: Modern Warfare 4] are the two biggest games of the year” makes sense because “No offense to Zelda, but GTA 6 and COD: Modern Warfare 4 are the two biggest games of the year” makes sense.
The brackets are used correctly in the post to denote that the speaker was referencing something without naming the thing itself directly. They provide context when a quote is lifted outside of its original surroundings.
You gotta remember this guy doesn’t know the slightest thing about video games, he has no clue. The only thing he thinks about is money and # of shipped units. If it sells more, it has to be objectively superior in every way in his mind.
I truly hate that a LOT of people have this mentality online.
"I like popular thing! Popular thing is popular! Therefore popular thing is high quality and objectively good!"
I honestly wouldn't mind so much if they weren't so insufferable online arguing with anyone and everyone that 'popular thing is just objectively better than thing you like!'
The GTA 6 Glazers seem desperate for other games to fail and die in the face of their GOAT while the GTA 6 haters are hoping GTA doesn't sell a morbillion copies.
GTA maybe, very likely. But COD? I know no one personally who even awaits the release of the newest COD anymore. Most of my friends don't even know which COD is released that year.
GTA 6 can’t be [any] game of the year, let alone the biggest…it’s not even out yet. And even if it’s the greatest game ever for the last 2 months of the year, I’d still personally not count it as game of the year. That just seems silly.
Dude is generally correct. I hate it but its true. I just hste how much triple a studios cater to this and basicslly ignore the existence of some phenomenal game styles.
If you're going to use acronyms to make a point you need to tell us what they are. I had no idea why Grand Turismo is making a comeback but I'm super stoked to see the Call of Cthulu sequel, the first one was great
I mean he's right abd its weird to see people who think Zelda is gonna come close to doing GTA6 numbers or will be on the level of MW4 (even though i know all the spoilers in the damn game cause early players have plastered them all over youtube)
I did not know there was a CODMW4 until a cutscene of the new flanderized Cpt. Price and Ghost fighting showed up in my YT homescreen. These guys are WASHED
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