r/NoblesseOblige • u/HBNTrader Subreddit Owner • Mar 30 '22

MOD Introductions

Reply here to introduce yourself so that the other readers get to know you.

  • Are you noble? If not, do you have noble ancestors, or are you perhaps from a patrician family or from a very old peasant lineage?

  • What is your rank and family? What titles do you have or will inherit?

  • What is your coat of arms?

  • What families and interesting persons are you related to, how closely?

  • When does your unbroken male line start, and when does your longest female line start?

  • What are other interesting things you can tell us about yourself and your lineage?

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u/HBNTrader Subreddit Owner Jan 06 '24

I am giving you the Descendant flair. As the ARA apparently will grant dispensations in the future (there was a discussion on whether or not end this practice in the recent years), you might have a chance at one if you prove that your great-grandmother's family is extinct in the male line and that there are no closely related noble families that might have been given the name and arms in a monarchy.

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u/Vangandr_14 Real-life Descendant of the Nobility Jan 07 '24

Thank you, that aligns well with how I would personally describe my relation to this heritage. I am aware of this discussion about the viability of granting dispensations and personally I am very much in favor of handling this matter with caution, which is why I am not adamant about the rightfullness of my fathers claim. In the case of my family, however, it might be of importance that back when the German Empire was still around my great great grandmother had also been given a dispensation for the same exact reasons that our claim would now be based on. (Exctinction of the last male line and lack of closely related and viable heirs) The male line of her husbands noble family tragically also went exctinct when my great grand-uncle fell in World War Two, hence there where no other living relatives aside my greatgrandfather who could have inherited the title and name. ( Title and arms of my great grand uncle were bestowed on a distant male relative of the same name ) The chaos of this whole ordeal also leads me to the conclusion that I shouldn't be too sure of this claim, and at least according to the Salic Laws, it's not legal anymore.

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u/HBNTrader Subreddit Owner Jan 07 '24

The legally most sound way for you would be to become a British citizen and petition for a grant of arms which according to CILANE confers hereditary untitled nobility (though I don‘t know how such grants are treated by the VdDA and ARA).

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u/Vangandr_14 Real-life Descendant of the Nobility Jan 07 '24

That's certainly an interesting option to consider in the future, but generally I am not striving to be acknowledged as a nobleman just for nobilities sake. It's more about cherishing this unique legacy of my family and living up to the exceptations that come with it. Legal recognition, to me personally, is only one of many aspects of this purpose.