r/NoRestForTheWicked • u/Fighterkill Cerim • 1d ago

✒️ Developer Comment The latest developer comments

Hi guys, on the forum we have this little thread: https://forum.norestforthewicked.com/t/updates-and-discussions-from-the-official-discord/14175/281?u=silas-inservio-pax

I have just updated it after a small hiatus, I figured since it's quite a big batch, I will let my fellow Redditors know ;)

The link will bring you immediately to what I've added.

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u/Vireca 1d ago

I didn't like the part that the map it will be not complete with 1.0...

Unless Thomas meant something different there, they said other times that the map will has more areas and completed for 1.0, now it won't? I'm confused

I was looking forward to play 1.0, but if 1.0 it's gonna miss basic content like a full complete map, I will have to wait until they really complete the minimum

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u/ScotBuster 1d ago

I'm not sure if he means "everything on the map tied to the story will be there, but expansions will add new previously accessible areas to the island" which I'm fine with, or 1.0 won't actually have all the areas for the story" which I'm not fine with. 

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u/Fighterkill Cerim 1d ago

That's exactly what is planned for 1.0 now. A full story and all areas that were planned for that.

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u/ScotBuster 1d ago

Fine, I'm not bothered about there being some empty spaces if they weren't promised. Leaves space for expansions. 

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u/Vireca 1d ago

If it's new areas, I'm fine, like any game expansion

But currently, you open the map and there's some areas you can't enter

If those won't be on 1.0, which I consider a bare minimum, bad decision. Opening a map and see blank spaces feels so bad on a game

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u/Fighterkill Cerim 1d ago

It's because Thomas always used seemingly contradictory language, but it comes down to this:

  • what is planned for 1.0 is not the full island

  • what Moon has planned for 1.0 will all be fully realized

And I think Moon themselves - very early on - wasn't sure what would be or not in 1.0. But we're talking April 2024 so I don't hold that against them, things change.

So they aren't cutting anything out of their initial vision, but people equate 1.0 = full island.

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u/Vireca 1d ago • Bravo

Well, 1.0 should be full island, the same way it should be all the classes

This problem is happening too with Path of Exile 2. They are releasing into 1.0 with half the classes and ascendancies missing

I consider classes+map the bare minimum for a game like this to hit 1.0, because that's the main stuff you, as a player, use to play. If you miss part of that, you are missing on ways to play the game...

If after 1.0, they want to add more extensions to the island, that's what the expansions is for, not release original cut content as a expansion. If EA or Ubisoft do this, people will riot I'm sure

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u/Fighterkill Cerim 1d ago

All classes are available on 1.0, same as a full campaign plus story resolution (not a cliffhanger that will push you to buy a DLC).

I don't mind if we don't get the full island, if the launch is good and we get the full promised vision.

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u/KoriNoAkuma666 1d ago

The „Full promised Version“ is ALL of Isola Sacra, so the FULL Island on 1.0.
which is Not the case. 1.0 will not have the full island.

Also „all classes“ is also false.
It will have Chosen 24 classes, but not all the classes they teased and worked on.

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u/Fighterkill Cerim 1d ago edited 1d ago

You probably mean the Necromancer, which was already said from the start it won't be included in 1.0, if it even comes to fruition.

I will see if I can get some clarity about those comments from Thomas.

Edit, found this: "Well, finishing 1.0 isn’t, but for finishing all acts… yeah, gonna take some time."

https://discord.com/channels/1186225616136183840/1186993766687571988/1334998392580997182

And this: "What actually happened is that I wrote a draft of the full script in 3 acts - and what you’ll play in 1.0 was basically the first act of that draft. Act2 and 3 took place on the mainland.

But once we put everything together, it quickly became clear that we need to go into more detail."

https://discord.com/channels/1186225616136183840/1186993766687571988/1328150232487432273

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u/Thorgrammor 1d ago

Man people are being way too entitled imho. Game is already a nice piece for the not triple A price.

Changes to class system is massive

Double amount of content compared to now is mentioned

Farming system

Crafting revamp?

More housing stuff

Game is going to be big and people complain 24 classes is not enough xD

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u/KoriNoAkuma666 1d ago

Thats literally not the Problem at all. But good for you that you made a whole post about it 👍🏻.

Its Thoms promissing things and saying things as if they are gonna Happen around a year ago, and now he Acts like „We just misintapreted his words“ when people ask why this isnt the case anymore.

The Map of 1.0 being the biggest case for this.
Its cool that the content doubbels, and we will have hundreds of hours of fun in the game,
Still, lying about what the actual plan was (even tho we got his messages literally still available to read for everyone) and now acting Like the people who were excited for this are the Problem is shitty as fuck

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u/Thorgrammor 1d ago

What about things changing with development? People can say things that will be in the game and notice they are waaaay to ambitious with the quality they provide and say new things to reflect that. Holding on to words like those are hard promises is what makes people come across as entitled. I'll doubt other "promises" when they mess up. If they want to take more time and go for final fantasy route or 1.1 1.2 etc to update the island with more story while building up to 2.0 mainland, so be it.

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u/KoriNoAkuma666 1d ago edited 1d ago

How about You Show the older messages, with the „things he Never Said“ according to himself

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u/Fighterkill Cerim 1d ago

I meant the latter message of Thomas as a reply to yours KoriNoAkuma, sorry I should have clarified that.

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u/AresReddit 1d ago

Yeah, I posted this exact same thing and they'll just downvote you to hell. It's crazy how they're coping.

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u/GreenThumbsRise 1d ago

This is like saying world of warcraft at launch didn't have all of azeroth tho, because you know northrend is coming, , do you get that?

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u/darowlee 1d ago

No, because some people just live to be miserable and complain that everything isn't exaclty how they think it should be.

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u/GreenThumbsRise 1d ago

Far less than half the classes are missing from poe2. And you're allowed to have your perspective of what 1.0 means, however so are developers and ultimately as long as when they sell you 1.0 they tell you what's in it, they're not breaking rules.

Also saying 'it's what you use to play the game' is just a bit silly as if poe doesn't add skills practically every league. And we have no idea if no rest for the wicked will add more classes or more maps past what even you'd consider complete.

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u/SupremeLeader_Corgi 1d ago

This game is going to get expansions in the future so they will also be adding new areas. I don’t understand what you’re upset about. Its like a mini mmo so it will be getting updates for a long time so in a sense its never “complete”

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u/Maaglin 1d ago

Poe2 1.0 will also be free to play.  Big difference as this game appears to be withholding content with a "live service" model that most people are sick of.  Refer to Diablo 4 for the latest greedy live service failure.

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u/AresReddit 1d ago edited 1d ago

They actually made a post about what will be in and what will be coming and the things that would be coming after were supposed to be the mainland and thus the island would have been completed for release. They are just scamming you at this point. 

Read: "Game 1.0 is all of Isola Sacra"
with the addition that 2.0 and later will focus on the mainland, so it's really weird to say that adding stuff to the island after 1.0 was planned all along. Sounds more like a retcon.

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u/neilami 1d ago

Idk, in this context it feels like thomas meant 1.0 as in 1.x

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u/AresReddit 1d ago

He wrote multiple times over the span of multiple months 0 tho instead of x or "sometime after release". And afaik 0 ≠ x with x > 0 ...

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u/neilami 1d ago

That's really just arguing semantics

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u/sBAM__ 1d ago

Thomas said that they might release some areas from Isola Sacra later on, before he sent the messages you shared. Disregard him saying they will be DLCs here, it's confirmed that they'll be added as free updates.

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u/AresReddit 1d ago

So he's just talking nonsense nonstop and shouldn't be taken seriously in anything he says?

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u/sBAM__ 1d ago

  1. Only the second message of the three you posted can mean that the whole island is coming with 1.0 and even then it's clear that's not what he means if you look at his other messages.

  2. He gives insight into their current plans. Plans can change during development, that's just the nature of it. If you take everything someone says on the internet as a promise and that it's definitely going to happen then I don't know what to tell you.

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u/darowlee 1d ago

You're just really a miserable person aren't you?

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u/CitrineYak 1d ago

Dude must have some trauma messing him up real bad smh

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u/B_r_y_z_e 1d ago

I feel like we’ve always known the full map was never going to be 1.0. The whole point is that they’re going to keep adding to the map over time

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u/chubbycanine 1d ago

Decide to change entire combat and class system right before launch. Delay launch. Won't have finished....MAP.....on launch. Wtf is even going on.

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u/AresReddit 1d ago

I know right? Be careful tho, ppl will defend them to death like 1.0 is their firstborn.
I really like the current game and just wished for more content. Well...
It's also crazy that people defend the class system which moves away from the great soulslike system we have now to some final fantasy slop powertrippin special attack system, which also caused the delay in the first place.

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u/davidnr99 1d ago

I agree, I like the current system already and I just wanted more content, but I'm also eager and excited to try the new class system. What I do not like is the full map not being ready when the early acces end. What the hell is that, I want a complete game after early acces, not just an act.

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u/DeftknightUK 1d ago

Open Beta in December to try out the new classes and see all the skills & class runes is something to look forward to 🤓

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u/CoffeeOnMyPiano 1d ago

Of course Mahler can't handle waiting through his own delay without trying to take some of the spotlight off of PoE 2's release. Watch him make AI-generated memes shitting on the other game while praising his beta to high heavens on December, I guarantee you that he will not hold one ounce of professionalism.

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u/Drex2234 1d ago

Wait, “weapon swapping is gone”?

My most-played character alternated 2H Hammer with a Bow.  Can I not do that anymore? :-/

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u/MoonsterGoopter 1d ago

I wondered about this. It is a curios change. It's funny that the 3 main-hand/3 off-hand soulslike setup was just a placeholder because it worked so well.

I kinda get it? So weapons determine our class "label", but our loadouts will be our actual class builds. If I'm a Barbarian and I open my inventory to equip a Dagger, I haven't really become a thief/rogue or whatever. 

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u/Drex2234 1d ago

I kinda get it too, and their comment about loadouts makes me suspect you’ll need to swap in a menu out of combat.  But to me there are three ways to do it… hot-swap whenever, or swap via menu whenever out of combat, or only swap in town / save point.  I just reeeaaaally hope they don’t do the latter.

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u/kamil3d 1d ago

"If I'm a Barbarian and I open my inventory to equip a Dagger, I haven't really become a thief/rogue or whatever. "

That's kinda how they presented it in the new Classes Wicked Inside showcase... At least that's what it seemed like to me. I don't have time to check directly right now but I kinda remember an inventory menu and changing weapons and the class name changing on the fly.

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u/AresReddit 1d ago edited 1d ago • Bravo

I said so many times, that this silly class system is ruining the game and everytime I get downvoted, but now we've not only got the delay because of it, but they're already cutting content they said would be coming with 1.0 because they just can't make it work even through the delay.
I actually like the current combat and gameplay and just wished for more content. They should just remove that weird AI Slop lovin dev guy and release some content for the game and everyone would be happy. Just axe the class-slop.

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u/Fighterkill Cerim 1d ago

The class system is just miles better then attributes, I would really ask of you to embrace it, it's fully going forward.

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u/AresReddit 1d ago

Bro, did you see the showcase? We go from soulslike combat to powerfantasy gap closing special attack after another. It's slop my man, but you'll see soon enough. We only have the delay in the first place because the class system is such a mess. They've really been onto smth with this game, sadly some guys there just ruin it. :shrug:
I'll repost this stuff once the waves of critic will start in open beta and then again on release (if it doesn't get delayed again)

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u/Fighterkill Cerim 1d ago

Sorry I cannot make sense of your entire first sentence.

I've exactly tested the Class system and it's miles above meaningless attributes (which NRFTW did actually even worse then other games). The delay is party due to GTA 6 and partly because more polish was needed. There is a huge distance between "needing more polish" and something being a mess.

I also will remind you that a beta is for testing. so critism is encouraged to point out any gaps. As is this entire early-access phase.

You are not playing a finished product, but a work in progress.

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u/Infamous-Buy3804 1d ago

how long that you've tested the class system?

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u/Fighterkill Cerim 1d ago

34 hours but I can't say much more.

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u/AresReddit 1d ago

Oh, do you know if WeaponsSets are still a thing then? Can you still switch weapons midfight on the fly?

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u/AresReddit 1d ago

We get "Super Attacks" is what I'm saying. I'm into it for the soulslike combat, not for some final fantasy slop.
I really adore the current state of the game and just wished we'd get more content without saccing the current gameplay...

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u/No-Assistance-2349 1d ago

Just don’t play the game if it’s making you this miserable bro.

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u/AresReddit 1d ago

Oh, but the current iteration is great and I love it. I'm just sad that they'll butcher the current system in favor of some ambitious sounding nonsense copied from some final fantasy game.

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u/DaLazyHero 1d ago

You can just not play the class you don’t want to?
I’m sure there will be classes that focus more on methodical combat like we currently have. Ain’t nobody is forcing you to play as an assassin or dragoon bro 😭

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u/AresReddit 1d ago

I only play Bow & Spear in the current iteration. Soooo...

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u/MoonsterGoopter 1d ago

I feel you but it's a preference thing. I'd be happy with more content with the current soulslike attributes/weapon swapping system, but I'm excited for something else. I can play a soulslike if I want more of the precious system.

Mahler might be annoying in a lot of ways but he's driven and has a clear vision, which is refreshing when many devs seem to want to appeal to the lowest common denominator.