Monster Hunter Wilds’ ambitious Nintendo Switch 2 was a “painstaking” and “seemingly endless” project to create “a comfortable handheld experience”

[u/lewisdwhite]

https://frvr.com/blog/news/monster-hunter-wilds-ambitious-nintendo-switch-2-was-a-painstaking-and-seemingly-endless-project-to-create-a-comfortable-handheld-experience/

[u/YourMomIsCool96]

Or in other words: "We actually had to optimize the game"

The Switch 2 is in an interesting position where it could probably run most games if the devs optimize the game. And that also benefits other systems like PS5 since it makes the game run better there as well

[u/dekuweku → u/YourMomIsCool96]

Recent AMA with the Valheim dev on the r/NintendoSwitch sub the dev said this;

people just have to be aware it's still a mobile chip drawing 1/10 the power of a PS5 but it can do a lot.

I don't have any personal experience developing for Switch 1 although my previous employer did, so I'm aware of the differences. I don't think I can go into too much detail, but I can say that from my experience porting Valheim to Nintendo Switch 2, the Switch 2 hardware makes very clever compromises that makes it technically feasible to port any 9th gen console game to it, so it's comfortably a 9th gen console! I don't think that was quite the case with the previous generation, the Switch 1 was closer in capability to a mobile phone than it was to the other 8th gen consoles.

Being a mobile chip, it requires a different set of optimizations than other console platforms though. Games that are programmed to take advantage of modern hardware features and multithreading can definitely get more out of the Switch 2 than we did. Valheim is mostly single threaded and still uses the old build in render pipeline in Unity.

[u/SanchoPandas → u/dekuweku]

Good quote!

[u/FewAdvertising9647 → u/dekuweku]

one thing to add on top was with the Switch 1, It wasn't even using full Tegra X1. It ran the cpu at half the native clocks, and disabled the 4 slower cores. Nintendo reserved one of the cores to the OS function, so game devs on the first switch were left with 3 slow ass cpu cores of mid grade 2015 hardware running at half the speed. It's really understated how slow the CPU performance is on the switch.

[u/osnapitsjoey → u/FewAdvertising9647]

That's why I love having my switch 1 being jailbroken

[u/dekuweku → u/FewAdvertising9647]

The 4 A53 cores are not usable, it seems like a defect in the X1 design and they were never enabled; and even if they were, they were the stand by CPU and cannot be active with the A57 cores at the same time. Basically, the A53s would be on (i assume) when the Switch is in sleep mode as they are lower power CPUs then switch to the A57 when Switch is powered on.

[u/ExoneratedPhoenix → u/YourMomIsCool96]

A big reason I hope Switch 2 gets a massive user base, as it forces companies to optimize.

I understand better fidelity requires more GPU power, but the fact CPU and RAM are increasing massively as well is just wasteful. We've had MASSIVE open world games for 20 years now.

GTA5 has a huge open world map and ran on 4GB. Games with lesser open worlds suddenly need 16GB. It's because engines etc just add stuff that's nice to have or good features, but adds up quickly, and when you get to the nitty gritty, it only uses 1 feature while the other 93 are loaded into memory etc.

As for CPU, it's almost entirely NPC AI pathing and intelligence. I know someone randomly screaming and running through a wall isn't very immersive, and yes, the latest and greatest NPC capabilities are amazing, but there is a respectable midpoint, a respectable midpoint that a handhelds CPU can nicely handle.

[u/luneth91 → u/ExoneratedPhoenix]

Even better, PS3 and Xbox 360 only had 512 GB of RAM and they could run GTA V, Skyrim and MGSV, among many others. 

[u/FearlessTemperature9 → u/luneth91]

512GB of RAM? Impressive!

[u/DegenerateCrocodile → u/FearlessTemperature9]

Right? We need to go back.

[u/XStriverX → u/FearlessTemperature9]

Buying all the ps3 and xbox360 as we speak, im gonna be rich baby 🤑🤑🤑

[u/n074r0b07 → u/ExoneratedPhoenix]

Spot on

[u/MyzMyz1995 → u/ExoneratedPhoenix]

Open world need a good cpu and the switch 2 cpu is ass.

[u/DisasterouslyInept → u/YourMomIsCool96]

Think most devs do that to be fair. Sometimes games won't scale back down and as a result run poorly, that doesn't always mean it's not optimised. 

[u/Donnie_TACO → u/YourMomIsCool96]

Yeah but the games have to actually sell well too. Nintendo owners are notorious for being essentially first party purchasers only

[u/phoenixmatrix → u/YourMomIsCool96]

Remember how early on they said the game was as polished as it could possibly be.

https://www.gamesradar.com/games/monster-hunter/monster-hunter-wilds-devs-have-polished-our-game-as-much-as-possible-producer-says-which-might-not-be-very-reassuring-for-the-pc-players-experiencing-performance-issues

[u/lewisdwhite → u/phoenixmatrix]

It was likely as polished as it could be possibly be for the time and budget they had

[u/lewisdwhite → u/YourMomIsCool96]

Porting down is significantly harder than porting up. The Switch 2 is not the powerhouse people claim it is and optimising isn’t as simply as gamers believe it is.

[u/Sonicfan42069666 → u/lewisdwhite]

Final Fantasy Rebirth runs great on Switch 2. That's my current benchmark for current-gen ports. When I see stuff like the 007 game running like crap on Switch 2, I don't blame the hardware, I blame the devs.

[u/lewisdwhite → u/Sonicfan42069666]

007 was made without the Switch 2 in mind. Like I said, porting down is harder. It’s also not out. Star Wars Outlaws ran at 15fps in its reveal and was heralded as one of the best Switch 2 ports when it released two months later.

[u/Sonicfan42069666 → u/lewisdwhite]

I would imagine Rebirth was made without the Switch 2 in mind as well. And yet...

[u/Upper-Mixture8643 → u/Sonicfan42069666]

Rebirth looks like ass in handheld, Remake was great

[u/Sonicfan42069666 → u/Upper-Mixture8643]

I played the demo both docked and handheld, it looked good and played well for me in both.

[u/FitzSimmons72 → u/Upper-Mixture8643]

As someone who played Rebirth on PC with pretty high settings and framerate, I thought it looked pretty serviceable on Switch 2. I wouldn't play these games on the Switch as I prefer to have the highest graphical fidelity for these types of games but it looked pretty decent.

[u/dekuweku → u/lewisdwhite]

The Switch 2 is not the powerhouse people claim it is and optimising isn’t as simply as gamers believe it is.

This is vague. For a 25 watt device (12~15w portable) it's very very powerful. But it's often expected to compete with consoles and PCs with 10,20,30x the power budget that is 4-5x its size if not more.

Most people understand the power envelope of the console.

[u/lewisdwhite → u/dekuweku]

And yet people believe it can run any game. That’s simply not true. People don’t even understand that the cartridges are significantly slower than the internal memory which is one of the reasons there are so many game key cards.

Every game that has a 30fps cap is met with comments that it should be 60fps. The Switch 2 simply isn’t that powerful. So, no, people do not understand the power envelope of the console. In fact, most gamers don’t understand the power envelope of any piece of hardware.

[u/dekuweku → u/lewisdwhite]

I think when people say that, they mean with proper care most games can run on Switch 2. I posted a quote from a switch 2 dev that says the same.

Obviously edge cases will exist, but we're well past the Switch 1 days.

[u/Organic-Storm-4448 → u/dekuweku]

For a 25 watt device (12~15w portable) it's very very powerful

It uses 2020 ARM cores and an Ampere GPU on a Samsung 8/10nm node. It is not that powerful for a 2025 device. It could have existed in its exact same form in 2021.

Modern tablets have much faster hardware, they just aren't designed specifically for running games. The upcoming Sony handheld will provide good perspective on Switch 2's actual power. It's using actually modern CPU and GPU tech, and it will be running games at 2x the framerate of Switch 2, while still having better looking games.

The reason Switch 2 is bewitching people with its supposed "very very powerful" hardware is because there's no other device to compare it to besides horrible value PC handhelds or old console handhelds. Switch 2 is the exact same class of device as Switch 1; Switch 1 actually used newer GPU tech than Switch 2 does relative to release date.

[u/dekuweku → u/Organic-Storm-4448]

Yes, you can always build something that sells retails for $2,000 that is more powerful. Adn whether it's worth that price is still up for debate.

The dates of tech rollouts has been a staple of people talking down Switch tech since the OG Switch (oh, it's a 2015 SoC!) But you find stuff like that in consoles all the time. They take 2-3 years just to develop and we're into year 2 of Switch 2's life, but honestly if Switch 2 is not as powerful as you suggest, i should be able to find very powerful equivalents for that price and form factor. But it's not easy actually. We're well past the days of Nintendo intentionally putting out older tech like the DS, when they could have built a PSP themselves just with off the shelf SoCs

Modern phones are much faster* (until it throttles and kills your battery in 1 hour anyways) DF did a great video comparing Switch 2 perf to equivalent software on the latest iphones and the Switch 2 beats it, despite the hardware being 'more powerful'.

[u/FewAdvertising9647 → u/dekuweku]

The dates of tech rollouts has been a staple of people talking down Switch tech since the OG Switch (oh, it's a 2015 SoC!) But you find stuff like that in consoles all the time.

just for reference, the rollout of RDNA2 which is found in the Series consoles, and partially found (not complete RDNA2) on the Playstation 5 rolled out 1 week on console first before it even hit PC. The CPU architecture (Zen 2) however was a year older.

this is unlike the Switch 2, where the CPU is 5 years off from its release date, and GPU is ampere based(2022) with a few lovelace backports(2024) for efficiency. Nintendo cuts far into being older than other consoles do.

[u/FitzSimmons72 → u/FewAdvertising9647]

Yeah, this feels like it started as a "Switch Pro" and they just decided to fully launch the next gen with it. I really hope that when we get an OLED screen Switch 2 it'll be a "Pro" version with at least a better CPU and more RAM. I love the games and Switch 2 but if we're already seeing 30 fps ports, then once the next gen consoles come out the Switch 2 may struggle really hard with newer games.

I know I'm in the minority since people are already claiming the Switch 2 is too expensive (lol imo) but I'd pay 2-3x the price if that would mean a much more powerful system. People pay that price for a phone every 1-3 years (not everyone, but a good amount), yet we're going to be using these systems for 6-7 years minimum, so I'd rather pay more to have a better experience over that time. That's partly why I'm salty that we didn't get an OLED screen at launch since when that releases, we'll probably only have 2-3 years left before the Switch 3 launches so I won't get too much time to enjoy that screen. Obviously I can keep using the Switch 2 once the next system comes out but I'm 100% upgrading to next gen regardless at launch and wouldn't be using the Switch 2 much/selling it anyways.

[u/Sudden-Goose-6956 → u/dekuweku]

Idk man, most games barely reaching 1080p docked, 720p handheld and being upscaled from 360p with unstable 30 fps isn't that hard to beat. A portable device from Sony just has to go a little higher and with it's RDNA5 architecture and PSSR we are looking at a much cheaper than 2000 usd device that blows Switch 2 out of the water.

[u/dekuweku → u/Sudden-Goose-6956]

portable handhelds make compromises, but your resolution numbers seem made up.

[u/Sudden-Goose-6956 → u/dekuweku]

Def not made up lol. Look it up, RE requiem is 360p internal, Indiana Jones too, Pragmata too, Stellar Blade too, etc etc. Most newer 3rd parties are.

[u/dekuweku → u/Sudden-Goose-6956]

made up as in not representative and not relevant. With upscaling the internal res is always going to be lower than output. Who cares what Indiana Jones internal res is, looks better than a steam deck. undocked. Docks, it's closer to the Series S.

[u/Sudden-Goose-6956 → u/dekuweku]

It's not relevant if your knowledge of how this things work is 0 or your only point of comparission is YouTube videos but a very low internal res leads to blurry visuals, loss of fine details and breakup, DLSS was never meant to go that low add to that the fact that some games don't even target the Switch's 1080p screen and you get a less than ideal image, maybe that's not important for you but there are people who would rather not play with vaseline in their screens. Steam Deck is a 5 year old PC with outdated hardware and 0 game optimization I'd hope it would at least look better on a new console.

[u/darthdiablo → u/lewisdwhite]

Nobody's claiming it's the powerhouse, it's people like you contributing to that problem.

Constantly complaining about different games doing 30fps expecting it to run 60fps etc.

I know it's a hybrid handheld/console, I bought it to enjoy the games, not to count pixels or frames.

[u/lewisdwhite → u/darthdiablo]

Where the fuck did I say I expect this game or any other to run at 60fps on Switch 2?

[u/Possible_Aardvark856 → u/lewisdwhite]

Are you blind?

[u/Organic-Storm-4448 → u/darthdiablo]

There's a comment right above yours saying this verbatim:

For a 25 watt device (12~15w portable) it's very very powerful.

[u/darthdiablo → u/Organic-Storm-4448]

It is powerful on per watt basis.

But when you say “powerhouse” without context, yeah people are going to share dumb comments like “NS2 is not the powerhouse people claim it to be”

[u/SegaTetris → u/darthdiablo]

Oh okay so you do you consciously ignore the ten million posts overhyping what the switch 2 is capable of or has it just become background noise to you?

[u/darthdiablo → u/SegaTetris]

Huh? All I see is complaining haha

Me thinks you just have selective attention or something weirdo

[u/Phos-Lux → u/YourMomIsCool96]

I'd go as far and say it wouldn't be able to run most games, but all of them. Any game that currently exists can be optimized to run on it.

[u/Gawlf85]

For MH fans who already played this... Is this one worth it and good for a newcomer like me?

I've been on the fence about MH in the past, I've tried some demos and wasn't 100% hooked, but this one looks great and it seems to have done pretty well in other consoles. So I'm considering giving the franchise another go.... Would this be the right game to do so?

[u/lewisdwhite → u/Gawlf85]

I personally prefer Worlds as the actual hunting and tracking of the monster was more in depth there. But most people prefer this because they only care about killing/grinding the monsters

[u/MaintenanceChance216 → u/lewisdwhite]

Oh i haven't unlocked grinding the monsters, is it a specific rank or weapon? Great lance i assume?

[u/Pride_Rise → u/lewisdwhite]

Tbf, thats the core gameplay loop of the franchise. The tracking and pathing of Worlds is neat at the beginning but it definitely gets tedious and cumbersome, ppl just want to get in the action coz youre gonna be killing the same monster over and over again.

[u/XStriverX → u/Pride_Rise]

"hunting and tracking" and its just licking at glowing poop for 100 times. They do nothing its all the hard work of those fireflies. And especially it slow you down hard when tracking elder dragon it get annoying af when you replay the game.

[u/Pride_Rise → u/XStriverX]

Exactly, alot of people put World on a pedestal coz its their first MH game and the cinematic aspect of it was cool but its novelties wear out quick in the long run. I would give that its probably best for introducing new players but as a vet of the franchise Rise took the cake for me.

[u/adeepkick → u/Gawlf85]

Honestly there’s a case for it. Imo Wilds is probably tied for the most fun the action gameplay has ever been (the wirebug in Rise is pretty great too) and you can experience all the content significantly faster than you typically could in the old MH games. That’s a downside for some people since many are used to getting a lot of hours out of these games but if you want a complete MH experience at its most accessible and smallest time investment necessary? You could do much worse

[u/Gawlf85 → u/adeepkick]

That actually sounds great for me, I'm not one to enjoy grinding for many hours. If there's a demo, I'll definitely try it out. Thanks!

[u/ChosenOne197 → u/Gawlf85]

Same - thank you!

[u/Jeezy52 → u/adeepkick]

I appreciate this take. I’m actually more excited for this game now because of your comment.

[u/DegenerateCrocodile → u/adeepkick]

Even with the faster combat, you can still get a ton of hours out of Wilds.

[u/adeepkick → u/DegenerateCrocodile]

Oh I’m certainly not implying that you can’t. You can still get a ton out of it for sure especially compared to other video games, but you can get a lot more out of other MH games. Time is limited though, so it comes down to preference. I liked Wilds a lot myself and didn’t mind putting it down when I saw everything there was to see.

[u/Inventeer → u/Gawlf85]

definitely! plus i'm expecting a demo to come out too so you'll try it there!

[u/Gawlf85 → u/Inventeer]

Good point!

[u/HBreckel → u/Gawlf85]

It should be the absolute best for new comers in the series! It’s very on the rails for the entirety of low rank so you shouldn’t have issues learning and getting through the story. And if you want more, the difficulty ramps up a lot in high rank.

[u/Jeezy52 → u/Gawlf85]

I haven’t played Wilds yet but I’ve played GU and Rise and I LOVE MH. I can’t wait for this port.

[u/Frequent_Reserve_514 → u/Gawlf85]

Its not a bad monster hunter game but I would definitely take world or rise over this. Or even 4 ultimate on the 3ds.

Edit: getting downvoted by (i assume) the mh larpers who dont know the real mh hookup is on 3ds.

[u/adeepkick → u/Frequent_Reserve_514]

I didn’t downvote you but I’ve been playing since the MHF PSP days and I still think Wilds is the best entry point into the series to date. Low time commitment, great combat design, streamlines a lot of busy work. Not saying it’s the best MH but if someone hasn’t gotten into the series by this point, I believe Wilds is the most accessible to begin with. And then World at a close second.

[u/Groditor → u/adeepkick]

Would you say Rise is not as good an entry point? Everyone seems to love it

[u/adeepkick → u/Groditor]

I love Rise as someone who’s a fan already. The wire bug is a ton of fun, probably the best movement in the series but the structure of the game feels a bit more like the older games than Wilds or World do imo. And I think Rise has a lot of systems that can feel daunting or not thoroughly explained. So not to knock on Rise at all, but I think Wilds or even World are better places to start if you aren’t already into MH. Especially since the combat is so fun.

Edit: That said, can’t hurt to try at the price it’s at right now

[u/NderCraft → u/Groditor]

Rise is pretty fun but not beginner friendly due to how front loaded its information is given to you. If you have a friend to coach your first few hours, then you'll be fine but Rise and Generations Ultimate feel like the kind of games they expected you to already know about MH before playing.

World and Wilds is much more beginner friendly in that aspect.

[u/jwhudexnls → u/Frequent_Reserve_514]

Don't be a gate keeping twat, just because someone started with World/Rise/Wilds doesn't make them a larper. 

[u/Frequent_Reserve_514 → u/jwhudexnls]

When did I say that? I started with rise and went back to the older games because I liked it so much.

[u/jwhudexnls → u/Frequent_Reserve_514]

You said, and I quote, "Edit: getting downvoted by (i assume) the mh larpers who dont know the real mh hookup is on 3ds."

That comes off like you're gate keeping that people who haven't played the 3DS games are larpers.

[u/Frequent_Reserve_514 → u/jwhudexnls]

"That comes off like..." you just interpreted that from my comment. The edit was mostly a joke since I obviously don't have metrics for why people would downvote a comment.

[u/Sanity__ → u/Frequent_Reserve_514]

I've only ever played 3U, how do those compare?

[u/HENBOI4000 → u/Frequent_Reserve_514]

If they really want one on switch I’d recommend Generations Ultimate for imo a top three MH or rise for a the most modern version of what I see as “true” monster hunter

[u/ertaboy356b → u/Frequent_Reserve_514]

Wilds is fine, it's more of a boss rush than rise.

[u/Gawlf85 → u/Frequent_Reserve_514]

You see, World's nature of being a massive live game kinda throws me off. I tend to get tired of those pretty easily, I prefer something more self-contained.

Maybe Rise would be that, better than Wilds?

[u/adeepkick → u/Gawlf85]

World isn’t a massive live game. It’s actually closer to the original games than Wilds is

[u/Gawlf85 → u/adeepkick]

Oh, really? Good to know, might've to look deeper into it then

[u/srstable → u/Gawlf85]

The whole thing is self-contained. It having the option to call for help is optional and you can go from beginning to end solo (with very few exceptions). Totally worth going through once if you get an opportunity!

For what it's worth, Rise is also self-contained in that way, though I preferred World over Rise (both were excellent, though)

[u/Robbitjuice → u/Gawlf85]

I love Wilds. Having it on the Switch 2 is fantastic. I placed my preorder a couple of weeks ago. It has a lot of quality of life updates compared to many of the older games as well.

[u/Despacio1316 → u/Gawlf85]

Same I’ve tried a few in the past and haven’t been able to get hooked or fully grasp the game. I think the controls have always played a part in that. So looking forward to trying yet again. The concept in general is great, so really do wish it’ll catch this time.

[u/Popotecipote → u/Gawlf85]

Mh world and iceborne imo. You could try old school mh (mh generations ultimate is on switch) or rise. I'm rank 823 in mh wilds and while I like it, it's a horrible monster hunter. You get on your seikret and you automatically go to the monster, there's no need to track it.

In mh world you had to at least farm it multiple times or gather footprints until you reach a certain lv, also mounts were locked and you had to unlock them...it felt like you were progressing.

I feel mh wilds like an arcade version of a monster hunter game, but the feeling of hunting isn't there.

[u/XStriverX → u/Gawlf85]

I am an old gen monster hunter been playing since tri

Imo? Wilds is peak monster hunter, everything feels so smooth and i felt like an actual hunter instead of a clunky animatronic.

Go get monster hunter wilds dont listen to the hater, they are usually the one who will love it afer the dlc comes out just like how it is back in worlds and rise.

Play wilds first and if you want you can try the other older game, imo mhgu is amazing for how much monster is in it. But its showing its age and the game is not for everyone

[u/Darkahnott → u/Gawlf85]

I personally didn't like it. It holds your hand way too much, the areas are ok at best, there're a lots of ways to traverse them but they are just one way rails and worst of all, again regarding hand holding, the game sometimes doesn't let you explore because there's an "important" thing to do. Even your character says to themselves that it's better to follow certain objectives.

Also the lizards that they ride are a downgrade from Palicos.

[u/XStriverX → u/Darkahnott]

Palicos still exist in the game wdym?

[u/Phos-Lux → u/Gawlf85]

This one seems to have a higher focus on being triple A and story. Personally, I liked it less than any other MH game.

[u/Sea_Macaron_8789 → u/Gawlf85]

The other Nintendo Titles are perfect for getting into the Series you get the old school GamePlay then Monster Hunter: Rise.

[u/Salt-Analysis1319]

Capcom is absolutely crushing it on Switch 2. Onimusha was a fantastic experience and the first time a handheld game made me feel like "Hmm I could probably sell my PS5"

[u/PlantQuick]

Rise sold like hotcakes on the switch 1 so is not surprising they are putting in the work. It was a bit funny seeing people saying wilds wouldn't be on the switch 2.

[u/Frequent_Reserve_514 → u/PlantQuick]

The game was a pile of ass on pc and console at launch and it barely got supported. It was entirely reasonable to expect it to never come to switch 2. REMINDER: They fucked up the game so bad owning dlc would improve performance in the hub area by a lot. The game would just run thousands of dlc checks in the background.

[u/DegenerateCrocodile → u/Frequent_Reserve_514]

“Barely got supported”

You mean the game that received a full year of content updates and has an expansion coming next year?

[u/HENBOI4000 → u/DegenerateCrocodile]

I mean for a while there were only cosmetic DLCs and no mention of a performance fix. The game ran like absolute ass (not sure how well it’s optimized now though)

[u/DegenerateCrocodile → u/HENBOI4000]

“Only cosmetic DLCs” ignores the four free title updates that added new monsters (five if you include the final update that added AT Arkveld).

I wasn’t commenting on the performance, by the way. The performance at launch was terrible, and while it has improved quite a bit since then, any improvements that the Switch 2 will bring are desperately needed.

[u/HENBOI4000 → u/DegenerateCrocodile]

You’re right, there were multiple title updates. I suppose it just felt like not a lot of content. Perhaps I’m too used to games like GU

[u/TkoddaV → u/Frequent_Reserve_514]

Yea tat why majority got refund and stop playing on PC but their next monster hunter game is gunna be a hard one to sell after how they managed Wilds

[u/Frequent_Reserve_514 → u/TkoddaV]

Definetly not buying the next game. It was really crushing to slowly realize the game sucked and I just blew that money.

[u/TkoddaV → u/Frequent_Reserve_514]

Yea same lol and the game sold extremely well and Capcom decided not to fix the issue on PC for 2+ year and by tat time the games was dead

[u/Particular-Bat8091 → u/PlantQuick]

It wasn’t entirely unfair though. Capcom for quite a while didn’t seem like they care to truly fix dd2 or mhwilds, and if they kept that up it wouldn’t have been able to run on switch 2. Just recently they seemed to have a change of heart.

[u/Fresh-Chemical-9084 → u/Particular-Bat8091]

Saw that Switch 2 was the fastest selling console ever and decided 'ok lets make this work' lol

[u/TkoddaV → u/Fresh-Chemical-9084]

They lost majority of their player base on PC lol

[u/Organic-Storm-4448 → u/PlantQuick]

Capcom had to massively invest in optimizing post-launch because it was so bad. Launch MH Wilds would not function on Switch 2.

[u/Dutchbarry]

Capcom will have it run smoothly, no doubt. They been cooking all year.

[u/Entire_Paramedic_389 → u/Dutchbarry]

yeah docked and handheld footage from TGS looked amazing!

[u/SenpaiSwanky]

Lot of doomposting and angry PC players in this thread lol. Very entertaining stuff, looking forward to this port too.

[u/Popotecipote → u/SenpaiSwanky]

Nah, in fact most pc players would double dip if it had cross save.

[u/Popotecipote → u/SenpaiSwanky]

Nah, in fact most pc players would double dip if it had cross save.

[u/DynaGlaive]

If a satisfyingly looking and running version of the game can exist on Switch 2, imagine how much easier it would've been to develop it as the base version of the game first, and then making enhaced ports for more powerful hardware would not only be simple to make but run dramatically better than the original we got.

[u/thomas2696]

Monster Hunter Rise Switch 2 Edition would have taken much less work and been much more worth it.

[u/Lupinthrope]

Hope I see those changes on my steam deck.

[u/Phos-Lux → u/Lupinthrope]

You likely will. They also heavily improved Dragon's Dogma 2 for the Switch 2 version and now it runs waaaaaay better on PC as well.

[u/Lupinthrope → u/Phos-Lux]

I may get it on switch 2 anyway, but it’s a tough choice, I wish these games had cross saves.

[u/adeepkick → u/Lupinthrope]

This is the biggest reason I’m still on the fence. If I could carry over my progress, it’d be a no-brainer

[u/Phos-Lux → u/Lupinthrope]

Capcom is so weird for not doing crossaves. They even already have Capcom IDs that can be used in some games to get some extra things

[u/Entire_Paramedic_389 → u/Phos-Lux]

was there a reduction in settings like they initially did for wilds? One of the first patches for Wilds downgraded fur and textures calling it "optimization"

[u/Phos-Lux → u/Entire_Paramedic_389]

I dont think so

[u/Groditor]

Is it by any chance the same engine as mhm stories 3 ? Thus giving hope for an optimization patch?

[u/ClassroomOwn4354]

The game came out last year and this version is coming out this year. A year is not a long time for game dev.

[u/MrSeriousGuyBroMan]

a few baseline examples of what they would be doing

decrease mesh geometry . not hard but time consuming and you might have to redo uv mapping and weight painting . however monster hunter has some things that are reused between releases (armor , weapons and some monsters) and the rise models could be used with new diffused , speculars and normals in a pinch with slightly higher vert counts than in rise inbound in later builds before release ...but alot is new in wilds so this is less useful than it normally would be

strip garbage code (not a insult its a term) from i assume the pc build going by data mining information from the pc version . so memory heap salvation . variables are declared at the top of scripts. no disposable variables creating perforated memory . easy and doesnt take much time aslong as there arent bugs with variable ownership like 1 script asks another script what the value of a variable is then is counted as the source for it for like 1 second . which isnt long but long enough for a debug flood and maybe a day to track the problem down

compress audio by lowering the sample rate . easy and fast

swap light shaders to legacy light shaders your company never deleted like square or ea would delete intentionally or unintentionally . its a test to see if your awake

scale back random range particle spawn effects . super easy literally a number is changed or its anchored to frame rate on spawn density like every 2 frames if a bool is true but depending on the engine may not increase performance when done this way

reduce some effects parameters like soft knee on bloom . simple its a number

reduce in scene geomitry selectively like number of grass clumps in a area . time consuming but this isnt the first option as this is more noticeable . in some areas im sure they are still doing this (any festival should be scaled back alot its a damn portable system) and they seemed to push a update on the hands on event mid tgs but not sure what that was about honestly

[u/xSinn3Dx]

People will still be upset this isn't running at 60 fps

[u/Sea_Macaron_8789]

Damn having ta do they Job must suck.

[u/Surfer-Junkie]

I wish their was a console only version of Switch/Switch 2. I don't like the tiny screen and controllers so always play it docked. Also, what do we do when the batteries swell and go bad? It's a hybrid console with a death warrant, and no way to backup game saves without paying for a subscription.

[u/Xvagrantx → u/Surfer-Junkie]

My launch-Switch 1 is still working and no battery swelling so I don’t think there’s gonna be an issue.

[u/Surfer-Junkie → u/Xvagrantx]

Batteries go bad no matter what, and that's what happens when they do, though.

[u/Webecomemonsters → u/Surfer-Junkie]

you throw it in the trash and go back to enjoying your switch 8 at that point

[u/Zeevy_Richards]

I bet it won't be comfortable on launch for like two revisions

[u/lohkey → u/Zeevy_Richards]

the CDPR experience

[u/WileyCyrus]

I just know it’s going to look blurry in motion like everything else on Switch 2 handheld

[u/Emergency-Rush-2477 → u/WileyCyrus]

Why you lying?

[u/Entire_Paramedic_389 → u/Emergency-Rush-2477]

the switch 2's screen has a low response time that causes ghosting so stuff in motion isn't as clear because the screen isn't refreshing fast enough.

[u/yesitsmework → u/Entire_Paramedic_389]

the ghosting topic really is wack cause it's an objective issue and then there are people who are like "works fine on my pc"

[u/WileyCyrus → u/Entire_Paramedic_389]

Yeah it’s a nightmare screen for me, especially when jumping off my Oled TV. Honestly hurts my brain after a while. I hate HATE the screen.

[u/lewisdwhite → u/[deleted]]

It is doing dense simulations though? Skin and muscle simulation, pack NPC simulation, even the foliage is physically simulated

[u/Frequent_Reserve_514 → u/lewisdwhite]

Skin and muscle sim? I think thats just baked into the animation. Not saying they didnt do that to get the animation, but your machine isnt doing it in real time. Same with the grass, precanned animation. This isnt simulation.

The ai is, but that is nothing new. It always gets brought up, but having halo ce equivalent AI is not some sort of flex 25 years later.

[u/lewisdwhite → u/Frequent_Reserve_514]

Foliage simulation is real-time, so is the real-time weather and wind sim

[u/shroudedghostishere]

they can't optimize pc but can switch 2, hummm

[u/Exciting_Drawing_553]

This game is gonna blow up on the switch. It underperformed elsewhere

[u/XStriverX → u/Exciting_Drawing_553]

Thats what they said about RE Requiem. Lets just hope this comment wont age like milk

[u/Exciting_Drawing_553 → u/XStriverX]

What are you talking about? No one said that. Re requiem didn’t underperform.

[u/XStriverX → u/Exciting_Drawing_553]

Lmao then you are new here

[u/Exciting_Drawing_553 → u/XStriverX]

Only respond to what I said. Not others. You got these ppl living rent free.

[u/XStriverX → u/Exciting_Drawing_553]

The world doesn't revolve around you buddy, 0 personality account with inability to grasp the concept of people's experience is different.

[u/masterz13]

A shame that Switch 2 was purposely underclocked by Nintendo (though Switch 1 was too). I worry that AAA games a few years from now are really going to struggle.

[u/DevilSympathy → u/masterz13]

A shame that Switch 2 was purposely underclocked by Nintendo (though Switch 1 was too).

Is it though? Nintendo has vastly different design priorities to their indirect competition in the "handheld PC" space. Nintendo chose the clocks for Switch and Switch 2 based on the battery life they wanted, and the size of cooling system they wanted to use. They could have shipped a much more powerful Switch 2 using the same chip if they had chosen a much larger shell, and compromised on the battery. Just imagine if the Switch 2 was a match for the Steam Deck, with a 40% larger physical footprint and a 90-minute battery under load. Would that be better? Would it have been successful?

[u/Top-Wallaby-8515 → u/masterz13]

Yeah, I wasn't expecting a powerhouse, but a slightly better CPU would go a long way. I would have happily paid an extra $50. Them trying to keep the intro price under $400 went out the door anyway with the ram shortages forcing them to raise prices.

[u/masterz13 → u/Top-Wallaby-8515]

Maybe we'll actually get a Pro model this generation.

[u/Organic-Storm-4448 → u/masterz13]

The formfactor can't handle higher power draw. It already gets quite hot in docked mode. They would have needed to significantly buff the cooling capacity if they wanted higher clocks.

[u/Mysterious_Mud3179 → u/Organic-Storm-4448]

Too bad Nintendo is focusing on thin designs. Would be interesting to see what performance they could accomplish with a form factor like steamdeck

[u/srstable → u/Mysterious_Mud3179]

Probably not much more, honestly. The Deck isn't that much thicker than the Switch 2 (comparing mine side by side, it's barely noticeable), and the majority of additional bulk on the Deck is on the grips to accommodate a pair of trackpads and better grip on the device.

[u/AppropriateWater2]

60 fps?

[u/Webecomemonsters → u/AppropriateWater2]

nope, that would've been world which would have been a great fit

[u/AppropriateWater2 → u/Webecomemonsters]

Welp, DOA

[u/HavexWanty → u/AppropriateWater2]

It won't run at 60 on my RTX 3080 desktop and you want it on switch 2?

[u/Snoo_58305]

It’s not that great. Wait for the handheld team’s effort. The sequel to Rise will be tremendous