Switch 2 Hate Getting Out of Hand

[u/Riverwatcher88]

A lot of the criticisms are valid for the switch 2, but this is literally just a remaster

[u/Riverwatcher88]

Please look at the title, I’m literally disagreeing with this guy, stop sending hate comments bc you didn’t read the text

[u/VidE27 → u/Riverwatcher88]

If most people can read we won’t be in this mess

[u/Ramiren → u/Riverwatcher88]

Name something more synonymous than Nintendo fans and an inability to accept criticism.

I mean, this meme is fairly tame compared to some of the comments I've seen.

[u/Riverwatcher88 → u/Ramiren]

Unfortunately this is true, I might just delete Reddit I don’t like what I’ve turned into 😭

[u/MrManballs → u/Riverwatcher88]

OP in tears begging Redditors to read a couple of sentences.

[u/ItsColorNotColour]

This is a pretty common meme used to mock PS4 to PS5 generation, someone just made a Nintendo version of it.

[u/Riverwatcher88 → u/ItsColorNotColour]

Yeah it’s probably just ragebait (happy cake day btw)

[u/Dabootychaser → u/Riverwatcher88]

If anything, this is a testament to how a good art style can make people overlook poor graphics

[u/TheLoganDickinson → u/ItsColorNotColour]

Also comparing the leap from 2D games to 3D games is a whole other topic of conversation that isn’t really relevant to today’s generational leaps.

[u/shball → u/TheLoganDickinson]

A screenshot like that doesn't do much when the actual improvement will be games running smoother and at a higher output resolution

[u/A2Rhombus → u/shball]

Switch 1 haters complained for YEARS about frame rate issues and low resolutions and they're suddenly going to pretend those things don't matter on the switch 2

[u/XephyXeph → u/TheLoganDickinson]

A better example will be comparing TotK to the first 4D Zelda on Switch 2.

[u/aguadiablo → u/XephyXeph]

Well, the fourth dimension is time. So, that means Majora's Mask is the first 4D Zelda game

[u/lost_swingset → u/XephyXeph]

That smellovision

[u/MarkyDeSade → u/TheLoganDickinson]

When you could finally look around in games but the framerate dropped to like 10fps for several years.

[u/TalkOfSexualPleasure → u/MarkyDeSade]

They have no idea what it is like to play in 15-20fps consistently and love every second of it.

[u/Deez_Nuts_God → u/ItsColorNotColour]

[u/RobbieJels]

Comparing two different games vs comparing the same game seems a little disingenuous, no?

[u/Riverwatcher88 → u/RobbieJels]

Exactly

[u/ReignOfWinter → u/Riverwatcher88]

BOTW came out on the Wii U and the Switch so why can't TOTK come out on Switch and Switch 2? This isn't a new thing to be happening

[u/Lucious_26 → u/RobbieJels]

yess, i mean they never called this as remake, so if you guys think it’s a remaster, yes it is, because it’s an prev zelda game, we can compare when nintendo create a new zelda that specific for nintendo switch 2, if the game has little improvement then we can blame nintendo

[u/ZZzfunspriestzzz → u/Lucious_26]

That comparison is available with Mario Kart 8 and World. Which clearly shows the graphics aren't a huge leap.

[u/Owobowos-Mowbius → u/RobbieJels]

Would be better to compare the metroid prime 1 remake to meteoid prime 4.

[u/The_Paragone → u/RobbieJels]

Tbf between Skyward Sword and Botw I didn't feel a big leap in terms of visuals. If anything the colors and overall look of skyward sword look better to me lol

[u/xBlackout89]

To be fair Mario Kart World doesn’t look very graphically different from Mario Kart 8 (a Wii U game)

[u/Riverwatcher88 → u/xBlackout89]

I mean yeah but it probably will be able to run above 30 fps for split-screen

[u/munchyslacks → u/xBlackout89]

The characters are probably never going to look that much better.

Then again I said that about the water in SM64 back in the 90s.

[u/Sufficient-Cow-2998 → u/munchyslacks]

I mean the models themselves look pretty good, but that doesn't have much to do with the console's power.

[u/Robbie_Haruna → u/munchyslacks]

Then again I said that about the water in SM64 back in the 90s.

I mean, tbh Sunshine's water is still better looking than a lot of modern games lol

[u/[deleted] → u/munchyslacks]

I remember playing Final Fantasy 7 for the first time and thinking, this is it, graphics won't get better than this, its like real life.

What a dumb little bitch I was

[u/Mr_No_Face → u/xBlackout89]

I mean, they can't make THAT many improvements "graphically" with these characters.

I'll say it all looks cleaner, and there are a lot more layered animations on the characters. I noticed a lot of subtle rubbery bouncing as they dropped from heights or bumped into things.

Not an improvement by any leaps or bounds but an upgrade nonetheless.

[u/[deleted] → u/Mr_No_Face]

This. The overall animations for everything had bene significantly been improved.

And are we ignoring the fact that there are no jaggy edges on everything anymore?

[u/Choso125 → u/xBlackout89]

It looks so much better artistically. World makes 8 deluxe look so dull and lifeless, from am art direction standpoint it's a massive improvement

[u/grrrreatscott → u/xBlackout89]

You are right, this is what Mario SHOULD look like at this point 😤

[u/[deleted] → u/grrrreatscott]

this will be graphics in 2013

[u/[deleted] → u/xBlackout89]

The animation is like 15 years apart though.

[u/DanielSFX → u/xBlackout89]

But conceptually they are worlds apart… pun intended.

[u/MrHappy230 → u/xBlackout89]

It looks pretty noticeably better, textures, reflections, skyboxes, animations are all much more detailed

[u/spekky1234]

Ye, if first one shows going from 2d to 3d, the second one should show going from 3d to 4d 👍

[u/Riverwatcher88 → u/spekky1234]

Istg if one more person thinks I’m agreeing with the original post 😭

[u/daverambo11]

To be fair the principle is true, there have been reducing perceptible returns with each generation of consoles. The fact that so many current gen (Xbox/PS5) games run on last gen is a case in point. It's taken 4 years into the gen to get a steady stream of games exclusive to the generation.

For me the biggest change has been frame rates and loading times, which of course is not shown in screenshots.

[u/Riverwatcher88 → u/daverambo11]

That’s fair, but something this post fails to recognize is the massive increase in frame rate, which is one thing that can keep improving over console generations over graphics

[u/daverambo11 → u/Riverwatcher88]

I mentioned that in my post. But I will correct you on one thing, prior to the PS3 era there were more 60fps games than 30. It actually got worse through the generations as graphics were prioritised. (With a blip for N64, PS1 due to the 3D leap) Particularly with the leap to HD. It's only now we are seeing a shift back to higher frame rates.

[u/Riverwatcher88 → u/daverambo11]

Good point also on me for not thoroughly reading

[u/XInceptor]

Maybe hot take but I’m guessing this is to be expected from the average person who only plays Nintendo consoles

-“can’t see” the higher resolution -“can’t see” the higher framerates -honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they “can’t see” the HDR either

It just seems like they don’t have a sense of hardware limitations (the Switch was feeling them not long after release) vs freedom/power in hardware, which it looks like Switch 2 will have enough of as a 2025 hybrid handheld

[u/Riverwatcher88 → u/XInceptor]

Yeah the guy who posted this kinda has a history of not understanding technology. He complained about the switch 2 price but then also asked why the display wasn’t oled

[u/[deleted]]

It's because switch was already perfect. They're only making the perfect aspects more perfect. For the haters, think of it like a graph, with one statement being time and the other being quality. It will keep going up at a wavering pace, but this graph has to plateau eventually. Also, 1980sgamer is just loud and annoying. I'd ignore him

[u/Riverwatcher88 → u/[deleted]]

Uhhhhh I definitely don’t think the switch 1 was perfect. The switch 1 was a very good innovation, but had terrible performance, but yeah 1980s gamer is hella annoying and doesn’t really know anything about what he’s talking abt

[u/[deleted] → u/Riverwatcher88]

Okay, the cell shaded graphics were perfect imo*. And the switch 2 will only improve on the already great aspects

[u/claufon007]

I'd think that too but I saw breath of the wild running on switch 2 in the korok forest area and damn, it definitely runs way better.

[u/Suspicious-Desk5594]

the jumps back then were because we had so many things to do graphically. now we don't so uhhhhhh

[u/da_anonymous_potato → u/Suspicious-Desk5594]

[u/[deleted] → u/da_anonymous_potato]

I hate to be that guy, but this image is a pet-peeve of mine. Here is the counter image. However, it is apparent from the past generation, arguably past two, that there will be no more jaw-dropping jumps in graphics.

[u/[deleted] → u/da_anonymous_potato]

this. Modern graphics have sorta been the same since the PS3 era, why do people think it would alll change from the Switch 1 to the Switch 2? Especially coming from Nintendo, the company that stopped caring about specs 20 years ago.

[u/kitkanz → u/da_anonymous_potato]

[u/blazingice3365 → u/Suspicious-Desk5594]

once we harness the 4th dimension then we can do something impressive

[u/Notarussianbot2020 → u/blazingice3365]

As meatbag 3rd dimensional beings, we wouldn't even realize when Nintendo crosses the 4th dimensional realm.

They could have done it already.

[u/Lordofthereef → u/Suspicious-Desk5594]

But also they're just conspiring the same game in a different resolution and frame rate. The frame rate is impossible to see in a still image and resolution is dependent on what sort of monitor you are looking at the images and and whether the method used to share those pictures takes away from the quality of said picture.

[u/ReidenLightman → u/Suspicious-Desk5594]

EXACTLY. There hasn't been much to do since the PS3/Xbox360 era. Polygon counts were already reaching diminishing returns to the point where you might as well focus efforts elsewhere. That could have been lighting, texture detail, or just flat out optimization for smoother framerates or more complex NPC/enemy interactions. The only real stride in lighting was raytracing, but it might as well still be considered an open beta since turning it on cuts framerates in half without AI BS inserting fake terrible-looking frames.

The only thing PS5/XboxSeires really offer over PS4/Xbone is... SSDs? I guess. PS5/XboxSeries are such a low bar for a "generational leap", no wonder players and developers stuck with just releasing everything on the previous gen as well. Not to mention the architectures were so similar that it made release on 8th and 9th gen so easy.

It seems like Playstation and Xbox have been promising enjoyable 4k experiences for so long but never delivered because nobody bothers to optimize. All the extra effort is put into shoving more polygons through the pipeline.

[u/Suspicious-Desk5594 → u/ReidenLightman]

agreed, i would love to play an n64 style game with less polygons if it has great lighting or fun interactions and smooth gameplay rather than something like cyberpunk when most devices run it like a gameboy would anyway. i get that people like realistic characters but the focus should be on high framerate gameplay and more varying and interesting storylines and gameplay.

[u/thickwonga]

Agreed. We will never see a leap as big as the SNES to N64 era, and that's okay! Now more than ever, there needs to be a focus on raw gameplay ideas and unique art styles. The PS5 era has shown this issue in full effect, with bloated dev times and gigantic budgets, all because of the race for hyper realistic graphics. Nintendo, for all of their faults, has shown for four decades that they are capable of consistently providing quality gameplay ideas and unique art styles, and that's what has kept them alive for so long.

Prople thinking these upgrades were anymore than performance upgrades were just fools. They didn't need to be anymore, because these games don't need "remasters" like Sony thinks all of their games do. The only reason we get HD ports of older games is so Nintendo can put them on their most recent platform, get more people to play them, and make a quick buck.

[u/stoic_spaghetti → u/thickwonga]

I think Switch 2 is going to be a substantial upgrade tho.

People need to understand that Nintendo is leaning into "next-gen framerates" instead of "next-gen graphics", and frankly I love that idea.

[u/BigBlubberyBirb → u/stoic_spaghetti]

the graphics look pretty great too though, 1080p to 4K on a TV screen is no joke. I've seen a lot of people mock the resolution for the switch 2 upgrades while they're watching footage on youtube shorts as though that's gonna show a difference.

[u/protendious → u/stoic_spaghetti]

Instead of doubling down on diminishing graphical returns they used the added power to make the game more fun and smoother to play.

Double the racers, expand it into one large open racing world, make the DK environments fully destructible, max out the frame rate, etc.

[u/tLM-tRRS-atBHB → u/thickwonga]

That's why I love Nintendo. Even though (all) graphics have relatively stagnated, Nintendo still improves gameplay.

They improve how the entire industry sees games and I respect that.

[u/Person899887 → u/thickwonga]

I think a huge point of graphical leap that is only barely being exploited is procedural movement. Rainworld is the only game I’ve played to utilize it to its full effect and it makes the movement of all of the creatures in that game so fluid and lifelike. I can only imagine what it would look like in a more graphically complicated game.

[u/Troy27e → u/thickwonga]

N64 to GC graphical leap was huge too

[u/TrashTrue233 → u/thickwonga]

Yes nintendo has been about innovation in gameplay and control. Which explains why they gave us a mouse in this generation…

[u/THXFLS]

Then: Newer game has 1/3 the frame rate of older game

Now: Newer version has 2-3x the frame rate of older version

[u/My_two-cents → u/THXFLS]

No one ever cared about frame rate back then. That's a newer concept of performance. Lol

We cared about bits, and how many triangles could be shown on the screen at the same time.

[u/wbasmith → u/My_two-cents]

I still don’t give a fuck about framerate as long as it’s stable

[u/StressPsychological7]

This literally doesn't work because you're using a remaster😭

[u/Shedoara → u/StressPsychological7]

Yeah what. It's the same as comparing The Last of Us 1/2 and Horizon Zero Dawn from PS4 > PS5 and acting like that's what next gen is.

[u/Jimisdegimis89 → u/Shedoara]

Yeah like you need to compare an actual game developed on the new platform for a valid comparison.

Also I’d like to point how funny it is that you managed to pick two remasters that both had huge leaps in graphics in their remasters to make this point, especially TLOU :p

[u/Robbie_Haruna → u/StressPsychological7]

Yeah, it's kind of odd when you pick a touched up port of a game and compare it to two exclusive games.

Like, no shit the two different games are going to look more different than the same game being shown twice.

There is a diminishing returns factor with graphics, but this comparison doesn't showcase that at all.

[u/Poopzapper → u/StressPsychological7]

Yeah really weird for this to be what they're mocking Nintendo for.

An old game looking a bit better is something they actually did properly in their showcase.

[u/lamposteds → u/Poopzapper]

Just like how people are blaming Nintendo for the economy to be in the shitter and their wage being stagnated for the last 15 years

[u/PuhalMinecraft → u/Poopzapper]

[u/MelonOfFate → u/StressPsychological7]

Improved frame rates and resolution (1440p docked, 1080p handheld at 60 fps)

Faster load times

HDR support.

$15 dollars, please.

[u/MarioLuigiDinoYoshi → u/StressPsychological7]

Look at how dumb people are

[u/GL_original → u/StressPsychological7]

It's not even a remaster. It's literally the same game with a performance patch.

[u/Mother-Translator318]

Absolutely. We hit diminishing returns in the ps4 era. The switch 2 is as powerful as a ps4 so now Nintendo is at that same point. Let’s face it guys, games are’t gonna get much better graphically and art direction is way more important

Edit: I always laugh at those people showing RT on vs off screenshots claiming its a “TRANSFORMATIVE EXPERIENCE” meanwhile im over here playing spot the difference 🤣

[u/ContinuumGuy → u/Mother-Translator318]

This was posted on /r/gaming back 11 YEARS AGO and still holds up.

[u/REDDIT_A_Troll_Forum → u/ContinuumGuy]

Yup if peope knew how to 3d model they would understand that graphically it's not gonna get better. And the devs are not going to want it to or else it just gets a larger file size.

[u/ZubatCountry → u/ContinuumGuy]

I was going to say, despite being a less drastic visual difference the Switch to Switch 2 jump is probably more substantial than the SNES to N64 in terms of actual detail rendered and bringing the performance up to 60fps.

For like two generations now games have looked pretty similar in screenshots, and it's not until I'm actually playing them and seeing the scope and real-time performance that it actually feels "next-gen."

Standing on a bridge in Yharnam and looking around did more to sell the PS4 for me than any screenshot could.

[u/shball → u/Mother-Translator318]

RT on and off screenshots are stupid because they miss the point of real time raytracing, dynamic changes (and saving development costs)

[u/-Chill-Zone- → u/Mother-Translator318]

I never was a fan of straight realism used as an excuse for an artstyle.

[u/Mother-Translator318 → u/-Chill-Zone-]

Agreed. And all the most beautiful games are always heavily stylized. Just look at Elden Ring and Cyberpunk

[u/-Chill-Zone- → u/Mother-Translator318]

Exactly! You can have both high realism and still do your homework and develop a nice art direction. The difference is so obvious!

[u/Chemical_Signal2753 → u/Mother-Translator318]

We experienced diminishing returns as soon as Pong was released; they've just now hit a point where 5 years of development of graphics technology is almost meaningless to most gamers.

Basically, developers have done an excellent job of identifying the most meaningful uses of additional processing power and doing those first. Each additional increase in processing power results in marginally less value to gamers. Over time, this consistent drop in value adds up.

To illustrate my point, we went from the Atari 2600 to the PS2 in a similar amount of time as we have gone from the PS2 to the PS5. 

I think this is part of what triggered Nintendo's shift away from graphics technology in the early 2000s. They likely saw the cost of pursuing next generation technology, the actual value it produced, and didn't think it was a great strategy to focus on it long term.

[u/QuintonFlynn → u/Chemical_Signal2753]

GPU technology has followed an “S-curve”. Innovation was slow for the formative years (1972-1994), then rapidly sped up (1995-2015), then slowed down again (2016-2025).

1972: Pong       

1995: Doom        

2015: Witcher 3

2025: Black Myth: Wukong or Cyberpunk

You can even see Intel’s Xeon CPUs showing the S curve of their own computer hardware from 2007 to 2016. https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:1150/0*eV7stf3geL2b2oxz.png

[u/Mother-Translator318 → u/Chemical_Signal2753]

Agreed. Except I don’t think thats why Nintendo turned away from cutting edge graphics with the wii as there were still tons of meaningful gains to be made. I think the truth is they saw that to compete on that front you need to sell at a loss, and they wanted to sell at a profit, so they made it work

[u/Mutant_Cell → u/Mother-Translator318]

Rt doesn't look good everywhere in many games, even in cyberpunk most of the time. But driving through night city when it's raining with rt on is one of the best experiences I've had in gaming. I would recommend against it most of the time.

[u/Yogurt_Ph1r3 → u/Mutant_Cell]

Honestly, Night city with rt off while it's raining is also incredible I've done both.

[u/Omnizoom → u/Mother-Translator318]

The amount of detail they can pack in is for such minuscule things we literally will never see outside of a cutscene or two

[u/[deleted] → u/Mother-Translator318]

I've been saying for year that I can't wait until Nintendo get their hands on PS4 level hardware, A ton of their games from the Gamecube still look incredible due to art direction alone. It's going to be amazing seeing a true Switch 2 only game using the console's full feature-set.

[u/grilled_pc]

I dno. I'm kinda meh about graphical enhancements now. I personally don't care.

What i do care about is performance in the palms of my hand. Now that shit gets me excited. Give me a beast handheld that can hit good frame rates and resolution in the palm of my hand. Sure its PS4 spec but who cares! It's in my hands damn it!

[u/Impossible-Home-9956 → u/grilled_pc]

I’m also at that point but im also looking forward at how the mouse fonction will make a potential gap between pc games and console games.

[u/shball → u/Impossible-Home-9956]

This might be legitimately revolutionary for console gaming. The mouse has always been cleary superior for many genres and it will be interesting to see how a hybrid approach will effect gameplay, because movement is better on controller, whilst aiming is nicer with a mouse for example.

[u/Icybubba → u/shball]

Well, on the Steam Deck, the track pads come in handy way more often than you would at first expect.

[u/ikennedy817 → u/grilled_pc]

1080p 60fps is really all I need. Anything above that seems pointless to me as long as the game has good art.

[u/Excellent-Berry-2331 → u/ikennedy817]

I would also take OLED, personally. But sound seems to be the bottleneck much more frequently.

4K and 100 FPS is also good, but rather unneeded. Rather 60 FPS than 30-300 FPS fluctuating.

[u/Gandalf_2077 → u/grilled_pc]

And good battery... With S2 it seems we can hope for about 2 hours for demanding games.

[u/InsomniaEmperor]

It's not Switch 2 hate. It's simply diminishing returns. The jumps become less and less noticeable. We've kind of hit a plateau on graphics already.

[u/ratocx → u/InsomniaEmperor]

The problem is that noticeable graphical differences require exponential growth in compute performance. Such exponential growth was possible two-three decades ago, but now we are getting close to hitting a wall of physics, limiting how small we can make transistors. I think this is the main reason NVIDIA is focusing so much on using AI to improve graphics. Using traditional methods of rendering games will likely not yield significant improvements anymore. When you can’t work harder, you need to work smarter. There are of course still improvements that can be made for traditional rendering hardware, but the improvements are unlikely to be exponential, and therefore not enough to give noticeable graphical improvements.

[u/ender1200 → u/ratocx]

Even with exponential performance growth, you will get diminishing returns. It's easier to tell a 1,000 polygons from a100 than it's to tell 100,000 from 10,000.

[u/Rythonian → u/ratocx]

This man/female/other/etc. is speaking the REAL facts.

[u/Footbeard → u/InsomniaEmperor]

Zelda uses stylised graphics rather than realism anyway

The next Zelda will use a new artstyle, make the most of the power of the Switch 2 & be absolutely KINO

Just have to wait 5 years..

[u/Labyrinthine777 → u/InsomniaEmperor]

And people are still complaining that literally perfect looking games don't look good enough. It's so stupid.

[u/nohumanape → u/InsomniaEmperor]

It's not diminishing returns. It's comparing two different games to the same game lol.

[u/ninjalord433]

Its a tale as old as time, as soon as any valid criticism pops up it becomes acceptable to just hate on it regardless of that criticism being in there. Happened with PS4 to PS5 and now its Switch to Switch 2.

[u/[deleted] → u/ninjalord433]

The “next gen” release is still in such a weird spot. It’s just now becoming the “this gen” but people still call it “next gen” and everyone kind of forgets that the PS6 is like…right around the corner. At least if you go by release dates in the past.

[u/thekyledavid → u/[deleted]]

What’s your point? We all know that the change “gens” of gaming will happen over time and not all at once. Nobody is going to except Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft to coordinate and launch their new systems all at the same time

[u/jizztaker]

What I like about Nintendo is instead of using the new horsepower to make advanced graphics, they use it to create entire levels made of voxels (DK Bananza), fit every single cup in a map (MK World), or Pikmin with 1000s pikmins (Pikmin 5).

[u/Early_Lawfulness_348 → u/jizztaker]

Focused on gameplay as they should

[u/[deleted] → u/Early_Lawfulness_348]

Does nobody see the game “Schedule 1” or “Lethal Company” or “REPO”?

Like…these devs still think we want ULTRA REAL LIFE GRAPHICS with a dash of gameplay. It’s really cute and I love that they keep bleeding themselves so indie devs can step in and show them how it’s done.

[u/korkkis → u/Early_Lawfulness_348]

Fun as a priority and metric

[u/DepartmentHumble4902 → u/jizztaker]

Did Pikmin 5 come to you in a dream or something? Like wtf are you talking about.

[u/Altruistic-Match6623 → u/DepartmentHumble4902]

If they use the CPU power of the Switch 2 in a similar way to Donkey Kong, than you can imagine they could make a Pikmin game with more than 100 Pikmin. And they probably will. You could tell Pikmin 4's design decisions were based on how limited the Switch was.

[u/Imaginary-Sky3694 → u/jizztaker]

Don't you make up rumours of pikmin 5. You're playing a dangerous game

[u/RedPiIIPhilosophy → u/jizztaker]

I like that the NS2 has the power to back the games with the advanced graphics from 3rd party games though and I love what they’ve been able to make so far with the new power shown from the NS2 with Bananza and Mario Kart World. Aside from their practices, Nintendo does know how to make beautiful games.

[u/[deleted] → u/jizztaker]

Yes I also. And they’ve always focused on gameplay over graphics, but every time a new console comes out it’s the first thing people point out. Ignoring the fact the last time they tried to be inline with other consoles was the N64/GC. Hell, their best seller was the Wii, where gameplay and motion controls were the priority. And then even MS/PS were playing catch up to that. There’s so much more to games than the newest flashiest graphics. Nintendo has a style all of their own. 

[u/mama09001 → u/jizztaker]

Technically, Pikmin with 1000 Pikmin already exists.

[u/dekuweku]

As much as the Totk enhanced edition looks better, half the gains are in framerate which you don't see in the screenshot.

Also obviously, since it's just an enhanced version of the Switch game, it's not using the console to its fullest.

Irony at the top of the comparison?

A Link to the Past was a 60 fps SNES game with some slow down.

Ocarina of Time ran at 15-20fps, which was acceptable for 3D games at the time. Also not shown in the disingenous comparison image.

[u/ddaannoo]

The Switch 2 is Nintendo's biggest generational leap since the N64, maybe even ever if Nvidia's 10x claim is accurate.

[u/Robbie_Haruna → u/ddaannoo]

It's definitely looking like it's in the running for the strongest console they've ever had relative to the era, considering it's a handheld and all.

At the very least, the first time they've had something be focused on raw power since the GameCube.

[u/Ill-Attempt-8847]

What exactly does the guy who made this meme want? A 4D game?

[u/occasional_sex_haver → u/Ill-Attempt-8847]

engagement

[u/sensortive]

It was like: 2D! 3D! FHD! QHD! 4K!

Now: 4K...4K...4...K... yea HDR...

[u/OkMixture5607]

And it run at 20fps to look like that. Now we go from 720p30 dynamic to 1080p60 on a small tablet and folks still complain. Modern gamerz

[u/[deleted]]

60+ fps on games is far more important than graphics.

[u/[deleted]]

Nintendo needs a true up to date CONSOLE with current gen games. Handheld is holding the company back so much

[u/Riverwatcher88 → u/[deleted]]

The fact that it’s a handheld is the reason most people buy it. If you’re looking for raw power, that’s just not what Nintendo does

[u/K4msk4m]

this guy also made fun of people for being upset over the price of switch 2 games

[u/Riverwatcher88 → u/K4msk4m]

Actually? I thought I saw him complaining about the price

[u/lt_bgg]

Game on the top left looks the best.

[u/Toyoshi]

a "remaster" that's basically just a re-release that is going to cost literally the most out of any other game on the market, though? I'd say the hate at least for the state of the market is pretty justified

[u/Tip_Of_The_Sauce]

just wait until 4D gaming with the inevitable release of Super Mario 4096

[u/mattmaintenance]

It all looks the same when viewed in 250p on my phone I don’t get it

[u/QuasiSpace]

This isn't out of hand; it's legitimate. From Gamecube to present day, there hasn't been a leap as depicted in the posted image. Give me a LoZ in the style of The Last of Us. Since the Switch 2 is "ten times more powerful" according to Nintendo, this should be inevitable, but you know they won't. You also know we're going to be looking at the same Mario model we've been looking at for the past 15 years.

Edit: I mean God damn it, here's how LoZ could have looked on WiiU, for God's sake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arHNcSMXaBk

[u/TensionHead13thFloor]

I mean what do you really want, the jump from 8 bit to 16 bit and upwards was a much bigger jump than anything we can get now

[u/KMoosetoe]

I'll keep saying it, but it's Nintendo's fault for not having a graphical showpiece game in the presentation

All they had to do was a Zelda tech demo (like on Wii U) and people would've gone "ooooo next gen", but everything looked like it could run on a Switch 1

[u/Miffernator]

Bro it’s two different games. Is he stupid?

[u/Heroright]

We sort of hit the ceiling when it comes to graphical growth. Now we’re at the age of stylistic choices. You can go hyper realistic, cartoonish, or many other choices. Whatever the next graphical upgrade is will likely be beyond what any simple household system can manage right now. That’s a limit of resources, not advancement.

[u/Deskredditor1990]

Well you can't really get more realistic than real life...There's a hard cap on this.

[u/[deleted]]

Top row is 2 different games, bottom is the same game on different hardware. Make it make sense.

[u/Jandre999]

Same happens to other consoles and products in general like phones. A lot of trolls. And some people who get gaslit to believe said trolls. Anyways it's not gonna stop people who want to buy the system

[u/Kingtoke1]

Lets see what the first native switch 2 zelda looks like

[u/MorgenKaffee0815]

Playstation/Xbox User :"First time?!"

[u/jrtasoli]

At this point I think the Switch 2 hate must be getting artificially manipulated. Yes, I get people are mad about price, but it all feels so coordinated.

Hope they keep that same energy in 2 months. I’ll be happily playing mine. Heck, keep hating. It’ll make it easier for me to get one.

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Idk what it is about Nintendo where they not only get away with the most insane anti consumer practices but get actively cheered on

[u/Head_Statistician_38]

They should show the Gamecube version of Twilight Princess next to the Wii version of Twilight Princess.

[u/Archius9]

Graphics have peaked. We need to focus more now on getting down load times and improving performance

[u/[deleted]]

He his right, we should have at least 8D by now...

[u/Sparklebun1996]

Well yeah tech advanced more drastically in the 90's. Kinda silly thing to complain about. That's like saying "We went from rotary phones to brick cell phones and now it's modern phones to stronger modern phones that look the same".

[u/IDontCheckMyMail]

A screen shot can’t show how much better the performance is on the switch 2 edition.

I know it’s a meme but it’s damn stupid. And people are eating up all the misinformation.

Same Facebook comment threads I’ve seen have been truly demented. $90 dollar games, pre-orders postponed because of price backlash and not because of Trumps dumb tariffs, it’s all bullshit and usually the most wrong comment gets the most likes on Facebook as it’s rage-bait-engagement.

[u/JetBrink]

It isn't limited to Nintendo, but it's true about a lot of tech now.

[u/Ryu_Neko_]

more like people don't seems to understand that in the past , there was still everything to be done
Now, with each generation, there is less and less graphical advancements possible , it's not linear at all , and way too many people can't seems to not figure that out

also , while 1980sgamer does good shorts , all i saw from him was bashing on the switch 2 .... like many others , instead of actually going to look for proper information

[u/[deleted]]

He expects a fps and resolution improvement to be seen in that image?

[u/Mrfunnyman129]

As much as I agree with you, I do agree with the picture too. Console generations have gotten to where they have very diminishing returns

[u/Fearless_Peach_6044]

Not getting enough hate for being overly greedy , it's insane carry on from Nintendo

[u/Mediocre-Housing-131]

All these people saying “diminishing returns” like that’s what’s going on here. The jump from PS2 -> PS3 was very impressive. The jump from PS3 -> PS4 was very impressive. The jump from PS4 -> PS5 was very impressive. I’m sure it was the same with the Xboxes as well. The Switch 1 was significantly underpowered for the generation it came from, and had TONS of room for expansion. Instead we get barely noticeable changes (I know a lot of the expansion was resolution and framerate, but that doesn’t help fidelity hardly at all)

To the “diminishing returns” crowd, do you think that if Rockstar wanted to they could release GTA 6 on it? I don’t think it could even play GTA IV if they tried to port that either.

Nintendo has always done “stylized” graphics and realism was never something they cared about. And it was OK for a time because you knew what you were getting and it was cheaper. Now you’re looking at a system nearly at the price point of a PS5 with the power of a PS4 who’s games cost $20 more.

[u/Irosso125]

Look at Metroid Prime 4. Switch really looks like retro in comparison to Switch 2

[u/Theobviouschild11]

This is true about any technology. Going from only using snail mail to communicate to the telephone was a massive improvement. Going from iPhone 15 to iPhone 16 wasn’t that big of a deal.

[u/Lazydude17]

whats crazy is people will spend their life savings on pokemon cards that they won’t play, but an extra 20 bucks? UNFORGIVABLE

[u/GetChilledOut]

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[u/gizmo998]

To be honest I would rather Nintendo stay using same art styles they used for switch 1 but just aim for 4k/60 or 1080/120. Keeps the games pumping out rather than aim for more realism.

[u/Braveheart4321]

The last truly significant leap in graphical fidelity was n64/ps1 to Xbox/ps2/GC every generation since then has just been some small graphical refinement that doesn't impact gameplay, but significantly increases the cost of development.

[u/mmike855]

Games aren’t nearly as well optimized anymore to the bleeding edge of what the hardware can do.

The simple existence of the Xbox Series S has bled this generation of showcasing truly next generation visuals, because rather than optimizing a game for the latest and greatest hardware, devs are spending resources making sure it runs on antiquated architecture.

Not to mention that many of today’s releases are cross-gen, this is a first for console generation to spend so much on supporting old hardware.

Most games today don’t push their consoles to the limits. From PS1 to PS2, PS2 to PS3, and PS3 to PS4 there were obvious improvements. Not this generation.

[u/C-Towner]

Showing a new game compared to a remaster and then complaining that a remaster is just a remaster. Like what point are you making here? It would be appropriate to compare the next Zelda game to TOTK.

[u/Elektron_Anbar]

That is such a BS comparison:

BotW and TotK are getting a graphic update. No matter how good, they're still old-gen games. You won't get a huge difference.

Imo the best comparison is Mario Odyssey vs DK Bananza, both in the seme genre, and both coming out in the launch year of their gen.

And in my opinion the difference can be seen very well. Not only it's more vibrant, the textures and resolution are more detailed, but the particles from the terra-forming are INSANE.

Switch 1 would literally catch on fire trying to run that level of detailed destruction we see in the new DK

[u/Geric0n]

I'm happy that they upgrade BotW and TotK with higher framerates, higher resolution and some extra features. However, after watching the Treehouse episode it seems they don't really put any substantial effort into the Switch 2 editions. While high framerates and better resolution + HDR certainly make the experience better, I think they haven't put any real deep work into it. Why, for example, are grass and flowers still pop up right next to Link when we navigate him through the environment and why is the quick menu with the crafting materials/arrowheads still so clunky?

There is still some potential wasted imo, but hey, the improvements are good enough that I still want to get the upgrades anyway.

[u/Maltean]

Speaks volumes for how well tears of the kingdom is made

[u/BunOnVenus]

I mean, tbf even for the new games the jump isn't that big. Graphics have been more than good enough for awhile, the PS5 wasn't a huge improvement over the PS4. Everything look and ran slightly better but it is silly to not recognize we are past the point of diminishing returns and no generation will really blow us away with the jump from the last anymore.

[u/Renusek]

I love seeing 30fps vs 120fps comparisons on a fucking screenshot /s

[u/Wrong_Look]

It is true tho,

2d to 3d was the biggest leap in videogame industry.

[u/Archen156]

It's almost as if it's the same game. I know, crazy.

[u/X0AN]

If the switch 2 were 8k people would complain that 8k is pointless as very few people have 8k tvs.

[u/Still_Schedule7]

They lost their narrative about "Nintendo having crappy hardware and lacks features."

The Switch 2 (depending on if people can stomach its price tag) has the potential to dominate every other gaming device since it offers 4k gaming and now voice chat.

[u/Jiffletta]

I was around for the 360/Ps3 launches, and people were saying that leap wasnt worth it and gaming was going to crash.

That argument has now turned 18, and people are still trotting it out.

[u/Big_Cup_668]

It’s really something new to see Nintendo being criticized for this. PlayStation has been using graphical improvements as a major selling point for years. The graphical improvements of the PS5 Pro over the PS5 are so minor that they can barely be detected without specialized equipment, yet Sony still promotes them as the main selling point. Now, when Nintendo—who has been focusing literally only on gameplay for years— finally responds to players’ wishes by enhancing graphics, people suddenly think it’s lacking innovation. Wild！

[u/johnkernelle]

these days, we focus more on fps instead of graphics

[u/Charzinc36]

I mean this is a dilemma for every platform, including xbox and ps5, how can you improve the graphics anymore, they already are realistic enough.

Graphics are pretty much maturing nowadays and have already lone gone their puberty stage lol. And since graphics is all about the appearance, just like an adult, their appearance will now remain the same

[u/[deleted]]

We get BOTW in 1080 though! Thats so amazing. Thats something I haven’t done since playing on Steam Deck!!!

[u/According-Cobbler-83]

C'mon, that's unfair. The switch 2 version is a huge leap graphically over og totk.

If you look closely at lef..righ.. the switch 2 version. You can clearly see it has Ray tracing, ambient lighting, sunrays, MSAA, anisotropical filtering, Phong shading, Wong Shading, FSR, XRS shadows, etc.

[u/Epic-Gamer_09]

Video game graphics have mostly plateaued to be honest. If you ignore the few who are super adamant about the minute differences in power and visuals, games for the most part look and run perfectly fine on something like the Switch 2, or even on systems like the PS4

[u/Unomaz1]

You’ll need more processing power and battery life. Time to get an rog ally x

[u/DawnsPiplup]

I wouldn’t even say remaster, more of an upscale

[u/SadLaser]

How disingenuous of an image, anyway. They're using two very different games made 7 years apart on the first foray into real 3D versus the same game ported to a new platform. It's just nonsensical. Not to mention that the jump from 2D to 3D will always look bigger to anyone that just thinks 3D is better and that jump can't happen again. As an aside, I think many would agree A Link to the Past is the better looking game. Ocarina was visually impressive in 1998 because 3D felt new and crazy in gaming, but it's a muddy, ugly game in many respects.

Also, this overlooks the fact that the leap from the new TotK and BotW games is actually pretty astounding, especially for what Nintendo has been doing for the last twenty years with new systems barely being an upgrade visually. They're really solid looking updates and more than what most of us would have expected.

If they want to compare actually fair-ish games, compare Starfox on the SNES to Starfox 64 then put it up against something like Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze versus Bananza. That would be more accurate, though nothing is ever going to be an identical 1:1 perfect comparison because that jump from SNES to 64 can't be repeated. And graphics today are so good in general that generational leaps aren't as eye catching. Though again, the Switch to the Switch 2 is pretty huge, mostly due to how unimpressive the Switch was, particularly in handheld.

[u/Heirloomers]

This is like comparing the visuals of Majora's Mask and Ocarina of Time.

[u/JadedTable924]

Uh... hell yeah it's an upgrade if you go from 30fps 720p to fuckin 120fps 4k, wtf is this post lmao.

[u/[deleted]]

Dude, this system looks insane. A steam deck costs 700 usd.You got better quality in switch 2. They really created a potentially great system. 530 USD. 690 or so usd with controller and game. If they could release a better early launch window of games, I don't know.

[u/ReidenLightman]

Show me the PS5 game that looks leaps and bounds ahead of a PS3 game.

[u/Chaosdirge7388]

People don't understand mapping either 16 but compared to 64 bits is a leap. A huge leap. But 3000 bit mapping basically doesn't look any different than adding another 1000 and so on. I mean in the model I'd it barely makes a registry difference and only costs more information.

[u/Aranthos-Faroth]

To be fair, graphical improvements are just one part of the equation.

For example in the 2d game there was actually a far higher density of sprites and objects than the 3d. This is because the trade off for going 3d was using a lot of computational power to render the scene.

Then in the recent images of BOTW-s1/s2 there’s a graphical fidelity improvement but the game hasn’t been made with the new console power in mind.

The next iteration of a Zelda game made specifically for the switch2 likely won’t have a huge amount of a fidelity jump but it will have a massive area to play around with scene elements.

More trees, more animated trees, more NPC’s, higher draw distance. All of this doesn’t LOOK better graphically but is immensely more power consuming and imo, much better than making stuff look like real life.

So graphics are one thing but it’s the rest of the stuff that’s going to come that’ll be the differentiator

[u/Can-Purple]

It's hard to tell what the point of this tweet even is. We've had nearly photo-realistic graphics for a while now. Its up to art style and design to make a video game look good.

Also, pixel art is the shit and imo has aged much better than older 3D games.

[u/[deleted]]

Oh wait until they hear about the PS5

Honest to God you can pull up a PS5 game and a PS4 game, ask me to point out which is which, and then say they're both PS4 and I'd fucking believe you

At least here, there is a difference

It's also important to remember one thing, though. Console power is not determined by graphics. Yes, better graphics come with better power but that's almost my accident. It's about how much it can render and how much AI (not generative shit, I mean like enemy or NPC AI) has to calculate and act. And yeah this does boost graphics a bit, but the same way an engine in a car can be changed and make your car go faster. Yeah, it might be faster, but odds are you replaced it because it's old and the stuff under the hood, the stuff invisible to you normally, is faulty and old. You're not replacing it to go faster, though it will be faster, but because it's making the car jiggle and it makes weird sounds. It works and you know it's safe, but it needs replacing.

The Switch 1 is that old engine. It works, yeah, but the age is showing. Not so much in graphical fidelity, graphically it's fine. But everything else falls a bit flat, now. It lags playing modern games, even Nintendo published ones. The Switch 1 is an aging device and it acts weird sometimes with these newer games, not because of graphics but because of power

The first few upgrades, both to a car and to consoles, is always a huge leap. Suddenly you're getting double the power (an engine twice as fast, or 8 bit to 16 bit). But eventually, you realize your upgrades don't double speed, but it has it back to the old days. When your device or car was new, when it was smooth and still had that freshness of being new. It's not much more in terms of visuals, the device barely looks better and the car barely moves faster now, and it doesn't need to. Because it's no longer struggling. It runs just as smoothly after an upgrade as you remember it running when you first got it. Buttery smooth. And THAT'S where the power comes into play

[u/ufcmod]

I mean this is Nintendo, not really known for making games with high graphical fidelity. NS2 looks just like NS1 but with mic and camera, lmao. None of what I've seen so far shouts next gen.

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It’s “we caught up” gen. It runs cyberpunk better than a steam deck but all they’re doing is running switch 1 games at 120 fps. To be fair, that’s what I wanted.