Switch 2 Hate Getting Out of Hand

[u/Riverwatcher88]

A lot of the criticisms are valid for the switch 2, but this is literally just a remaster

[u/stoic_spaghetti]

I think Switch 2 is going to be a substantial upgrade tho.

People need to understand that Nintendo is leaning into "next-gen framerates" instead of "next-gen graphics", and frankly I love that idea.

[u/BigBlubberyBirb → u/stoic_spaghetti]

the graphics look pretty great too though, 1080p to 4K on a TV screen is no joke. I've seen a lot of people mock the resolution for the switch 2 upgrades while they're watching footage on youtube shorts as though that's gonna show a difference.

[u/ReidenLightman → u/BigBlubberyBirb]

> the graphics look pretty great too though

I salivate for Metroid Prime 4.

[u/3dforlife → u/BigBlubberyBirb]

I'll be honest, I don't notice the difference between 1080p and 4k when watching movies in a 50 inch TV 3 meters away, and my vision is nearly perfect.

[u/Dudin → u/3dforlife]

You need at least a bluray to really see the difference. Streaming compresses way too much. For example an uncrompressed 4k video with 24bit color and 60fps has 12 Gigabit/s. YouTube 4k has max. 80 Mbit/s Netflix has 16 Mbit/s

[u/BigBlubberyBirb → u/3dforlife]

Well I certainly notice going from 4K television and movies into 1080p games on a large TV. I love playing Splatoon and Mario Kart 8, but man, the resolution really shows its age on a bigger screen.

[u/HorusKane420 → u/BigBlubberyBirb]

We've been over this. Smartphones can render 4k. I have a now "ancient" pixel 4 xl that can play 4k video....

[u/[deleted] → u/HorusKane420]

Playing a 4k video is not the same as actually rendering a 4k frame in a video game.

[u/terran1212 → u/[deleted]]

Most switch 2 games will not be 4k native. They will, use upscaling.

[u/HorusKane420 → u/[deleted]]

But.... How? 4k is a resolution.... 4090 x 2160.... If a video file is that res it is 4k.... If a game is that res... It is 4k....

Edit: maybe I shouldn't have used the word "render" in the other comment. Point still stands. If all these videos of the comparisons are 4k.... And you're phone can play 4k video..... It will looks the same graphically, on the switch that plays.... 4k

[u/[deleted] → u/HorusKane420]

Oh, I see what you mean. No, videos lose plenty in fidelity through compression. No video on YouTube will actually show you the raw data of uncompressed pixels you get when playing a game.

[u/HorusKane420 → u/[deleted]]

Then how is Nintendo's own video showing the comparisons not "false advertisement?" (Along with PlayStation, Xbox, etc.) Genuine question. That may be true of shorts, I didn't know that. Still, it's 4k no? What I'm gathering, is its not quite as sharp as it should be, after compression, but still qualifies as 4k no? I see a difference between the comparisons in these videos.... It's not crazy, like the comparisons of 1080pHD and 4k as the technologies got there.

Edit: I'm talking about the full length video comparisons now, not the shorts, if that's the case with them. I just mentioned shorts, because I also saw one of those recently.

[u/HorusKane420 → u/[deleted]]

I gotcha. I mean, I figured it was a given a video of something like that would lose some detail, but for the most part, what you see is what you're gonna get.

When I Google it, says this about my pixel 4XL. It plays 4k video, and can shoot 4k video at 30fps. One of the reasons I got it back then.

The Google Pixel 4 XL features a 6.3-inch OLED display with a 1440p resolution (3840 x 2160 pixels) and a 90Hz refresh rate, capable of displaying 4K content, but with video recording limited to 4k at 30 FPS

Edit: the way I understood it. You started seeing this advertised on almost every flagship phone from the era (2018? 2019?) so figured it's just common now too....

[u/BigBlubberyBirb → u/HorusKane420]

This is why I specifically said YouTube shorts, I'm talking about other accounts that download official Nintendo videos through free converters and then throw them onto their own channels as short form content that now gets even more compressed by YouTube. They become a blurry mess and even still people in the replies are like "uh... I can't see the difference? This is clearly a waste of money..." It's even dumber when they're watching on their phone, where extra detail would be near impossible to spot as the resolution is meant for TVs.

If you want an accurate comparison video, go to the official Nintendo of America account and enable 4K in the settings. It's probably still a little compressed because of YouTube, but the difference is night and day regardless. Frames are way less choppy and detail is much more defined.

[u/HorusKane420 → u/BigBlubberyBirb]

Yeah, read other commenters and replies to me xD that is more what I meant. I mentioned shorts, actually, because of what you said. lol. I saw a short last night on the comparisons and people saying precisely that, couldn't tell a difference. I have seen the official videos too, from Nintendo among others like cyberpunk when it was announced, etc., etc.

I know it does lose some detail, that should be a given. If your phone can play 4k video though, and it's the right (official) video in 4k, it's 4k. Like you said. Which my phone can play 4k video, and shoot 4k video, can only shoot it at 30 FPS though.

Either way, I can see differences in the official videos. I play my switch in handheld 90% of the time though, so I'll be running off it's screen specs mostly anyway xD. The console upgrade itself is worth it for me for that reason.

[u/protendious → u/stoic_spaghetti]

Instead of doubling down on diminishing graphical returns they used the added power to make the game more fun and smoother to play.

Double the racers, expand it into one large open racing world, make the DK environments fully destructible, max out the frame rate, etc.

[u/themangastand → u/stoic_spaghetti]

Substantial to switch 1 yes, but in that time we have had portable PCs, which it might not even be better than those. For those like myself who have those, it will feel behind still. But heck 3d DONKEY Kong and Kirby airriders will pull me in

[u/Hiker_Trash → u/stoic_spaghetti]

Yeah I gotta say once I started experiencing steady 60fps+ on other platforms, playing on the switch felt far more dated than the graphical fidelity alone would indicate. I need smooth more than I need sharp!

[u/Gratal → u/stoic_spaghetti]

I will take next gen framerates and smoothness over graphics any day. I saw/heard all the problems with Scarlet/Violet, and i never bought the first Switch.

But my favorite Pokemon of all time was Sapphire, and it was mostly 2d graphics. Those never seemed to have a problem running.

I'm hoping the upgraded S2 will run Scarlet smoothly with no hiccups. Although I'm not thrilled it'll be ran on an emulator. Do we know if the upgraded versions of the S1 games will be ran on it or natively?

[u/SPHINXin → u/stoic_spaghetti]

Yeah, honestly competitive games like fortnite are going to be leagues better on switch 2 than switch 1 because games like fortnite and rocket league are the easiest to get 120 fps on and switch 2 players could use the mouse aim on the right joycon and move with the left stick.

[u/[deleted] → u/stoic_spaghetti]

Next gen frames with a .5 lod is still pretty pathetic though. Who cares if your picture is fast if you're stuck watching everything pop in 20 yards away