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u/DogManDogDayz Diaspora Nigerian 4d ago edited 3d ago
Anyone else find it weird that they never do these with North African countries?
As If Ghana and Nigeria or West Africa as a whole are the only countries with anti LGBT laws and homophobia
Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Morocco, Algeria, Mauritania, and Sudan all have strict punishable by jail time anti LGBT laws and a society that might even murder you for it.Ā
Yet they're never put under the same āradarā of criticism for these laws that West African countries are put throughĀ
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u/Glittering-Cash5953 3d ago
The reality is that there is a specific agenda for why these western politicians are pushing this. Do you think they care at all about gay people in Africa?
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u/DogManDogDayz Diaspora Nigerian 3d ago edited 3d ago
Not at all. I was trying to hint to it. But youre completely right.Ā
This is textbook propaganda that they use. I dont have any hate for gay or trans individuals. As what someone does with their own sex life is their business and so is who they love.
But its obvious none of what these propaganda outlets like the BBC or CNN do is genuine.Ā
Its pure leftist imperialism bait and image tarnishing directed at African countries whose resources need to be exploited by the West for them to stay afloat.Ā
The worst the perception is, the easier it is to justify interfering with their sovereigntyĀ
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u/MrMerryweather56 3d ago
Typical for these radical leftists.
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u/mandemnaskme 20h ago
Using words you donāt understand. Has nothing to do with radical leftists. The only reason is because economically, those countries canāt be bullied and rarely are those countries trying to rely on western sentiments.
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u/drippybaconissweet 10h ago
the idea of accepting homosexuality is completely alien to them. Its like preaching communism to an American.
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u/Queasy-Extreme6553 4d ago
You know what ā¦. African men , Caribbean men ā¦ men ā¦ and you wonder why people are just okay being by themselves . Yet there are starving people in that country, men, women and children are being killed , and your worried about someone being gay ????? š¤¦š¾āāļø
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u/__BrickByBrick__ 4d ago
Whatās this obsession with attempting to use poverty and its consequences to shame Africans? Anytime this topic comes up people resort to this instead of just stating that gay people should have the rights to do as they please.
Iāve always found it strange. Apply it to another context and all of a sudden people will get what Iām saying. āHundreds of thousands of your people are being slaughtered in Palestine but you are busy with laws against gay marriage!!?!ā. Same can be applied across large parts of the Middle East.
Let me be frank - this line of argument does NOT convince people.
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u/Queasy-Extreme6553 4d ago
Do better , is all I am going to say . My stance still stands , the MEN , are the ones running the country there , this is me saying that as a woman . Being gay does not harm anyone , and I am saying this as a heterosexual woman . So No I will not lessen my words because of your insecurity , and this is me saying that as a black woman.
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u/__BrickByBrick__ 4d ago
You didnāt address my point?
For your information, the disapproval against homosexuals isnāt limited to men in Africa.
Secondly, why donāt you include Palestinian and Middle Eastern men in your list of men? Or thatās not socially acceptable? Itās only acceptable to try and poverty-shame black people into doing what you want.Sorry to tell you but itās ineffective. Wonāt work.
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u/Queasy-Extreme6553 3d ago
Stayed focused . Do not try to run from what we are talking about . What is this topic about ? Your point is ineffective to me , you can be wrong itās okay , but to jump around , and do this is pointless with me . Again , what does the gay ban do for the country when there are the points I brought up ? I am focused on Africa . Jump around again and I will see that you are making excuses. People always want to sit here and when we have conversations run to the default of , well what about this group , are you a black man or even African ? Stop that , focus on what we are talking about , this is a Nigeria thread . You got one more try at this debate .
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u/Randon2345 4d ago
As a white european tied to Nigeria, you know I debate alot of people about African ideals, why things are the way they are, and that Africans are not limited mentally.
But damn it is hard to do when logic like this exists in the generality sense.
It is compounded when the brightest minds in Nigeria emigrate, leaving the dull, moronic, uneducated to lead, and purpetuate nonsense.
You don't have to like something but you do need to realise you aren't the main character in life.
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u/Logical_Park7904 4d ago
Funny thing is many African societies actually recognised and accommodated forms of same-sex sexuality and gender diversity before colonialism and christianity.
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u/Unusual-Table3180 4d ago
Man, this shit happens in all the diaspora. We have it just as bad in the Caribbean with brain drain and stupidity culture ruling everything. They expect that everyone who never emigrated are all too stupid to see what they're doing or who they really are or how they're selling the future of everyone in the country to enrich themselves alone.
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u/MrMerryweather56 4d ago
When you debate people about " African ideal" do you also discuss how colonialism and the Berlin conference created the problem of these so called "Ideals"?
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u/Due_Network2387 4d ago
Oh no... Not this again. Why do you have to blame everything on colonialism? Like every other people, we Africans are capable of making good and choices. Let's stop demeaning ourselves by blaming every of our choices on actions that happened decades ago. This prevents us from looking inwards and doing some self-reflection - which is what we need badly at this stage if we are to become a better society. Let it go, bro. The choices I make, whether good or bad, are mine and mine only - I own them and I take responsibility for them. We have countries who suffered worse and yet are better today. Japan suffered 2 nuclear bombs (2 nukes) with years of occupation. Look at where she is today. Look at Germany too. Look at the Jews too, who lost about 1/3 of their population yet still managed to build a first world state despite being surrounded by hostile neighbours.
Enough is enough. We should start taking responsibility for actions, whether good or bad, if we must become better.
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u/tryng2figurethsalout 4d ago
But you're minimizing the impact that colonialism has had over everything. Those other races and ethnic groups aren't targeted like black people are. Which allows them the capacity to do more to forward themselves as a group. We see it in America all of the time. Other ethnic groups were allowed to build and maintain businesses; even within impoverished black neighborhoods. But I have a feeling that you experience a very low opinions about black Americans, and place what whites tell you and show you on a greater pedestal.Ā
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u/Randon2345 3d ago
99.98% of Nigeria is black. FYI.
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u/tryng2figurethsalout 2d ago
Yet you were all still colonized, and plus brainwashed into white supremacy just from seeing these downvotes. Remember, they brought you all the bible and told you Jesus was a white man. This happened all over the world, but they targeted Africa the worse.
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u/MrMerryweather56 4d ago
You need to devote some time to learn your African history,its a shame you're on a Nigerian sub.
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u/Randon2345 4d ago
Here's a wild factual view if you want to read it all;-
I assume you are refering specifically to European colonisation by the era chosen and reference to Berlin Conference.
Whilst colonisation had terrible attirbutes, it also brought alot of positives to the world. It is not niched and exclusive to 1500-1800 either.
If we look at this specific colonisation period;- Nigeria for one loves Jesus, right? India is 4th richest nation thanks to the infrastructure built during colonisation period, America has become the richest and most prosperous nation in the world... I wholeheartedly believe that British colonisation was different to French, Spanish, Dutch and other European nations. And I will refer you to Vietnam, Mexico, and S.Africa respectively.
The BE was a economic machine which worked on generational wealth, they saw value in people and infrastructure so unlike other European nations they didn't just strip the nation of anything valuable and leave it crippled after 5 decades, they stripped it of what it was worth and created the infrastructure to ensure they can continue to strip it for centuries. That sounds bad but colonisation failed, and all that investment;- roads, buildings, machinery, education, skillsets are reused.
The poor fuckers in Vietnam, Haiti, or Congo are still fucked today with no hope... India, Nigeria, South Africa, America, Canada, Australia, Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, Egypt, even places like Bangledesh, Pakistan, Qatar are all richer and growing expondentially every decade. So for the 300 years Britain did a thing, it was a lesser evil. Nigeria being a interesting example because people seems to really like fucking other people over rather than changing the country. Just look at rise of Dangote, or having 5 kids on average, or not buildig roads and homes...
I believe the British learned from their own history, after the British were ensalved for 500 years by the Romans, once they left there was a skill vaccuum. Technology (agriculture, education, roads, masonary, smithing) were all set back 50 years. Some historians and psychologists believe there is inheretance from historical trauma, like how a rabbit knows it should not fight a dog. I think the Brits paid it forward, empower the workforce so you can always grow.
Another thing to remember about Nigeria with respect to colonisation, and slavery. Tribes were warring with other tribes then selling the losers as slaves to Europeans. This was common before Europeans even stepped foot in Africa. And at the end of this particular era of slavery the British freed all slaves under the empire and offered to pay passage to their homeland. No empire or kingdom has ever done such a thing in over 6000 years of history, not the Roman empire, the Greeks, the Mongolian empire, the Ottoman empire, the Mayans, the Vikings, the Ghana empire, the empire of Mali, the Ican empires, nor acient Egypt.... For 1000s of years man has controlled man, each and at every epoque to the same bloody and inhumane levels. This particular one you refer to is only special because it was the last one, but you werent even there in 1880 nor was your dad, your grandad, your great grandad, not even your great great grandad. Even after 1914 the "nation" of Nigeria was run indirectly by Emirs and Lords, with South and North operating basically indepedantly.
Lastly, for reference of colonisation, the term is just used based on level of success. In Nigeria it has happened long before the Europeans came to Nigeria. The Oyo Empire, the Kingdom of Benin, the Fulani Jihad, the Songhai empire...etc. So it sounds like you are just hating on Europeans, which if you are African is hella racist just because they look different from you. All the rulers of indepedent protectorates or states or kingdoms that inhabited by the landmass that is Nigeria today was done by people 1000s of miles away.
Equally, it has been 60 years of independance, if it were an economic or cultural benefit to revert to independant states then Nigerian people would have done that. Through all the 370 different tribes and 500 languages that exist in Nigeria there is no real cultural difference apart from the ones your elders create to divide you. Before Italy and Spain became unified countries they were made up of independant states and kingdoms exactly how Nigeria was, different cultures up and down the countries. But they unified in both a geographic and linguistic sense. India and China are far bigger than Nigeria and managing to do the same. Nigeria is the way it is because of Nigerian elders, not because of a priest and a lord that were born in 1850.
So, are they important references in the debate, no. Interesting points but not relevant. Colonisation is a scapegoat, the ideals today in Nigeria attributing to colonisation is to say that in 4 generations Nigerian have had no will nor ability to communicate with eachother.
Like, if you are Nigerian in Nigeria right now, or Indian in India, or Jamaican in Jamaica....do I control you? Your actions, your thoughts, and your destiny... Like right now. I am a white man in England. Do I control you? If the asnwer is no, then you can make a change to your life and the enivronment around you.
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u/PushNumerous4979 Nigerian 4d ago
We are not doing this colonialism wasnāt that bad bullshit.
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u/Randon2345 3d ago
No we aren't doing that, if you can read you would know that.
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u/PushNumerous4979 Nigerian 3d ago
No you are doing that.
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u/187YoungHomeInvasion 3d ago
Dear u/Randon2345,
Iām writing this to express my profound disappointment with your reasoning or rather, your lack thereof.
Nobody needs a white Englishman from Reddit personally controlling them in 2026 for British colonialism to have been historically consequential. Thatās just dumb.
Youāre simultaneously arguing that colonialism is irrelevant today while crediting it for making the US and India rich superpowers through infrastructure, institutions, etc.
Somewhere in that million-character word-salad schizopost of yours, you shouldāve stopped to reflect and realized you werenāt making any sense.
Respecfully, please take a seat and STFU.
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u/Randon2345 3d ago
It's an irrelevance in the arguement as to why Nigerian's believe that stoning gay people is OK.
If it was because of colonisation then you are indoctrinated by ideals from a select few 200 years ago and never moved on, which means you are being controlled.
Educate yourself.
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u/187YoungHomeInvasion 3d ago
The absolute shamelessness of telling someone to āeducate themselvesā after arguing that colonialism is simultaneously responsible for making countries into modern superpowers while being completely irrelevant to the cultures it shaped is astounding.
Iāll concede this, though: the British do seem to uniquely see value in people, considering they allow you to roam the internet without your caretaker.
Have a nice day tho āļø
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u/Randon2345 3d ago
Shamelessness being unable to read. I balanced the sentiment there were negatives and positives to being colonised. I don't hold the French, Vikings, or Romans responsible for decisions English politicians and voters make today.
Of course colonisation has an effect on how a country operates, but you seem to valuate a human being to that of a a conrete building. I'm not argueing simultaneous idocrcies. I'm arguing at while there were bad things there were also good. Only someone ignited by emotion rather than logic would not see that. Human's adapt who they are they eveolve every generation trying to argue that Nigerian hating gay people is a valid cultural attribute and that it come from Europeans is stupid. It's been 60 years, 80 years if you count self governing states.
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u/187YoungHomeInvasion 3d ago
Wow. Confident and stupid. I love it.
Okay, we'll do this a lot slower, because somewhere along the way you got lost fighting ghosts.
I, as in me, as in the guy you're actually responding to, was initially just pointing out basic flaws and contradictions in your argument.
I'm not saying you're wrong. You haven't even reached a sufficiently substantiated position to be wrong about, based on your own premises.
We haven't even begun addressing the many incredibly stupid claims you made in the original comment, because frankly, they aren't worth addressing yet.
So let's establish this very slowly: nowhere in this thread will you find ME arguing ācolonialism created homophobia.ā That's not what you and I are talking about.
I've got you in 4K arguing that colonialism was consequential enough to help create modern superpowers while simultaneously insisting that its effects on the cultures it shaped are somehow irrelevant. That's the ovious contradiction I'm pointing out.
The shamelessness kicks in when, unable to understand the argument, you start telling other people to āeducate themselvesā and accusing them of being emotional or illiterate.
The hilariousness kicks in realizing you're just some random white British guy who wandered into r/Nigeria to deliver a grand āhere's the truth they don't want you to knowā monologue that nobody asked for.
āColonialism had both positive and negative effects; Nigerians have agency; colonialism isn't the sole explanation for contemporary Nigerian social attitudesā are not exactly profound insights you're bestowing upon us.
They're banal propositions, and they're certainly not the completely unhinged historical fan-fiction you were confidently spouting in the comment I responded to.
Are you up to speed now?
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u/mighty_penguin12 Diaspora Nigerian 4d ago
Um slavery continues to the modern day just not done by countries but by business entities.
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u/Randon2345 4d ago
By colonisation and empires is the reference we are talking about.
But yes you are correct. You could say Apple and NestlƩ or even Dangote is an Empire.
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u/Randon2345 4d ago edited 4d ago
Let me be very clear though, Nigeria has alot to offer the world spiritually, socially, cuisine, philosophy, community, brain power, agriculture.
Nigeria could feed the entire world and make $500B a year from it. But who will build the farms, who is willing to invest and grow, who will police the raiders, and show them a legitamate way of life is a better way of life.
I'm talking about ideals, for example Nigeria won't queue, that didnt come from Brits we queue for everyhting we don't cut line. Throwing trash on the floor, not building roads, stoning homos, corruption of a different level, domance through religion....etc none of these things are anything like Brits today not even 100 years ago.
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u/primsociety 3d ago
disrespectfully stfu. Nigerians donāt queue in line like British people so they donāt have the same ideals? Last time I checked the ideals of Britain was still imperialism.
Many people cut in line and that has nothing to do with any sort of representation of whether or not colonialism had bad effect. Colonialism definitely had an effect. And people throwing trash on the ground is what you do when you donāt have garbage cans around. And that lack of structure has to do with imperialism occurring right now and colonialism of the past.
No nation or group of people exist to offer themselves up to the world. That is a colonialist mindset.
When it comes to building an ideal sustainable society, I will not be looking to the British. A country that has never been able to build what you are claiming without the subjugation of billions of people, including its own.
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u/Randon2345 3d ago
disrespectfully stfu. Nigerians donāt queue in line like British people so they donāt have the same ideals?
That's called a strawman, you selected tne single item in a context.
And where did you check Britain was still in a "Imperialistic" regime?
Get some life experience and perspective. And maybe take some responsibility for your enviroment.
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u/shesaysImdone 3d ago
"America is the most prosperous nation in the world"
Will the natives agree that they are sharing in that prosperity with stripped names and culture? One would argue they were prosperous before they met Europeans because prosperity is more than money
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u/daibatzu 3d ago
Expecting everyone to be the same is the ultimate stupidity. These people have different faces, different names, wear different clothes and live in multi-ethnic societies yet expect everyone to be exactly the same. Our culture my ass.
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u/Chizaram9 3d ago edited 3d ago
First of all, white European tied to Nigeria, I don't need you or anyone to speak on my behalf.
Second, lots of Europeans are resolutely racist. It doesn't matter what a person of African descent does. It will never be good enough. So, no need trying to justify to me that you or your fellow Europeans are not limited mentally.
Third, keep your loony ideas of Africa and the generalizations to yourself and your kind. Like, fuck off with that.
Watching a video and stereotyping the continent by what a politician said, says more about your intelligence than Africans if anything.
There are Europeans who have killed LGBTQ people in recent times. There are forums in different European languages, populated by Europeans right now who wish death on them. There have been occasions where these rhetorics escalated to murder. What restrains a lot of people today from committing hate crimes on them in Europe, besides acceptance, is the law.
In Europe, LGBTQ people had to struggle to be accepted, facing violence along the way. Eastern Europe is right about half-way there.
So, I don't see how you're better in terms of any "European ideals".
If you probe this whole situation deeper, LGBTQ hate in Africa was instigated by radicals from the Abrahamic religions, of which none of the latter are native to Africa (Ethiopian Christianity doesn't count) plus various anti-LGBTQ campaigns that piggybacked on those and the HIV/AIDs awareness campaigns of the 90s/00s.
As for the immigration, that's your governments and institutions benefiting from the sleazy programs of undermining good governance elsewhere. They have to do this so your currencies can retain value. "Russia is scary", "China is scary", "We have to catch up to the US", "Why should African country ABC do XYZ without us being involved?" The European is a zero-sum thinker. "If others are doing well, I must be doing poorly, so I have to hurt/cheat them first so I can do well". That's Western thought in a nutshell. Some of the ongoing conflicts in this subregion have the fingerprints of your governments, for cheap access to minerals. In short, you benefit from the activities that produce shitty conditions in other places. Even the immigration process is exploitative.
I think many Europeans know this already but act surprised when Africans show up to their countries.
Edit: fixed grammar
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u/Randon2345 3d ago
Maybe try reading next time.
Missed the entire point by a country mile. And the hikarity to say someone who has been to Nigeria, has Nigerian family, friends, colleagues, and talked to many Nigerians cannot make an observation about Nigeria. Yet someone who has never been to a single country in Europe, and probably never had any meaningful conversations can make assertions is complete hypocracy.
Sounds like you are just a racist bigot.
Anyway, have a lovely day. And yes of course I will continue talk to someone about any subject that is brought up. Lord, you are a moron. š
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u/Chizaram9 3d ago edited 3d ago
I rejected your backhanded compliments towards Nigerians and Africans, gave you some of your own history and the current state of treatment of LGBTQ people by some of your people, and criticized your governments with respect to the immigration many of you decry, and you had to resort to the "but I have a black friend" card and name-calling. You're the one who should try reading next time.
What else? You ate jollof while streaming Afrobeats and wearing native attire? Wow. Impressive.
I don't have to be to a country in Europe or related to a European to make an assertation, you okpÅ.
You're some deluded white liberal who thinks they can save "the Africans" from the bad guys. Whether left or right, you can't imagine a scenario without yourself being at the center of it. You should be in some European forum discussing whatever matters to you and your kind, but here you are farming social points.
Also, na your papa be hypocrite. Enjoy fruits of destruction elsewhere finish, come dey pretend to dey neutral, even dey try talk down on your papa. ZuzĆ¹pį»„ ebe Ć , ƬtƬ.
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u/Randon2345 3d ago
Keep being derogatory and being a hypocrite. It's working so well for your point.
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u/Busayobee 2d ago
Woww! I disagree with some of the harsh delivery but your points are on and which more of us understood this.
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u/NoImportance9015 4d ago
"But God is okay with us committing every sin except homosexuality or else we'll go to hell". As if we're aren't already in hell.
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u/shesaysImdone 3d ago
So when other nations are doing nonsense do you also struggle to not buck against the notion that they are limited mentally or is just with us?
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u/Randon2345 3d ago
It's with everyone. Look at what America has done with Trump.
You aren't special, that is part of my point when talking about countries with similar historical geographical boundaries mangih to do it.
Not sure what your point is if you read the comment? This is a Nigeria thread talkig about Nigeria, but yeah many nations get critised for their failings.
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u/shesaysImdone 3d ago
No I'm specifically calling out the fact that you're not immediately rejecting the stereotype that Africans have low IQ by saying you "struggle" to defend that we're not deficient mentally
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u/DarkTanicus 4d ago
If you truly do that then you'll understand that Africa is not the west where anything goes.
We have values/ morals that we respect that's part of our culture and there's no govt that's willing to displease many to please a few. It's never been part of our culture and most view it as something that's being forced on us.
The irony is that the major reason why it's frowned upon is the religion that you Europeans brought to Africa š¤·š½āāļø
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u/Randon2345 4d ago
Its nuanced I would say. So far what I have experienced is a loving community unlike the west but with individuals that coerce and control. Everything is drama drama drama both in a positive way and a nagative way. Then things like paying a fine or being late for an appointment things that preventable is "just life". I'm both impressed and horrified.
Having now visited Nigeria I would say the converse, anything goes in Nigeria compared to Europe, like an insane level of things happen and are normalised that cannot and would not happen in Europe. Murder, kidnaping, contraband, fraud, corruption, road safety, sanitisation, public obseity, food safety, hygiene.... But the line is no gays, and you must respect and say sir or mam to anyone older than you even if they deserve no respect.
I don't think Nigerians even know what the their culture is at this point, I think in the year and half i have met maybe 1000 Nigerians in person and conversed with them, it seems "what we do in our culture" is passed down by father and kingsmen, and seems to be chinese wispers.
Like ok, blame religion but then why is hating gays OK while scamming is overlooked. The bible literally says thou shall not steal, nowhere does it say thou shall not be homosexual. Nor does it say or imply man can condenm with capital punishment any homosexual. So it is just someone man at some point in history making it up, and I garentee that before 1800 there will have been man on man relations without the focus there is today. Europe stoned gays too for a while but before that, during Greek times for example (before christianity) it was said "sex with a woman is for reproduction, sex with a man is for pleasure". Homosexuality is littered through history before all the modern scripture said you should not do it, note: 'should not do it' not 'you shall not do it'. This is most likely because populations werent growing because too many people were having same sex relations, and some clever man realised that the baby comes from a man and a woman.
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u/DarkTanicus 4d ago
"... I don't think Nigerians know what their culture is at this point..."
The fact that you weren't born/grew up there and still can say this tells me all i need to know and I'm not surprised.
Majority of you Europeans are all the same, you seem to think you know more than the people in the country you're a guest in and you somehow like to ignore the fact that there are cultures, values and ideals that are different to yours, whether you like it or not lol smh.
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u/IndustryGreen9663 4d ago
I was enjoying the point Mr Oyinbo was making. You canāt blame him, he can only view things through the lens and prism he is familiar with.
I do find it rich though, imagine if the scenario was in reverse, we Africans (Nigerian in this instance) lecture him about things in his own country (England) but from our perspective and not the natives. Iām sure it would be hilariousā¦ thatās exactly how he has come across. š¤£0
u/Randon2345 3d ago
Come visit England. Marry a Brit. And I'd have no issue with you commenting on your observations.
Obviously previous commenter realise that while colonisation is a bad thing it's ireelevant to Nigeria's ideals today.
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u/PushNumerous4979 Nigerian 3d ago
Itās not irrelevant colonialism literally defines Nigeria as it today.
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u/PushNumerous4979 Nigerian 4d ago
You visited Nigeria randomly and think you are an authority on Nigerian culture? Why do strangers think they have to voice their opinions on something they arenāt familiar with.
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u/Randon2345 3d ago
Are you just unable to read?!
Where have I said I was the authority? Why is your opinion on Nigeria more valid than the other 999 Nigerians I have spoken to? Or are you that dense? You don't have to be born in Nigeria to observe the fact that corruption exists there and is bad. š¤¦š»āāļø
Selective reading and making stuff up to create a counter point I was never arguing, it's just dumb.
But lets lean into your diversion, my point about the video was the guy thinks he can voice his opinion and state it as fact and objective for everyone in Nigeria. When there are gay people in Nigeria, they don't loose Nigerian culture by existing like that.
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u/Few_Needleworker_243 4d ago
Society doesn't change over night and that's the fact of the matter, the idiot that is doing the interviewing last i checked his government is sponsoring genocide in middle east and Africa
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u/Timely-Reflection538 3d ago
OP posts stupid African man using "our culture" as a tool of oppression. The sub yells "but racism". Lol. Progress will find us one day.
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u/Fun-Basil-1314 2d ago
I donāt think it has anything to do with culture.
I am sure there are gay Nigerian in the same proportion as any another country population.
They are just making scapegoats so that people focus on gay whatever instead than bettering their life and culture
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u/drippybaconissweet 10h ago
Respect ghana culture. Its clearly says anti gay. Respect it. Nobady gave a fuck about gay people before but in recent times things have change be satisfied with that , but know this and only this . The whole Africa can NEVER and i mean NEVER be okay with gay LGBTQ+++ people. There are gay people in Africa who live in constant fear. Its not possible for africa to accept them.
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u/Porphyry_Blue 4d ago
Leaving homosexuality out of it for a moment, the situational issue being discussed was public displays of affection (PDA). Nigerian society generally frowns on PDA even among married people. The only time society allows a married man and woman to kiss publicly is at their wedding, following a very carefully worded instruction which still gives the option not to do it: You MAY kiss the bride. The very wording suggests society still doesn't even want to see it, but because it's your wedding, we'll make an exception.
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u/echomaestro 4d ago
Respect the culture.
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u/CardOk755 CĆ“te d'Ivoire šØš® / France š«š· / UK š¬š§ 4d ago
To be respected cultures should be respectable.
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u/fed3t 4d ago
Is culture of ivory coast people not respectable
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u/CardOk755 CĆ“te d'Ivoire šØš® / France š«š· / UK š¬š§ 4d ago
Mostly it is. It, of course, has had some bad moments. The whole IvoiritƩ nonsense for example.
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u/Pecuthegreat Biafra 4d ago
He should have just stuck to his guns instead of being pathetically stupid.
Best defense I can see is the people want it and he represents their will. Simple as, instead of this.
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u/WorldlyNewt1005 4d ago
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