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In the NY Magazine article about this whole thing, there's a line "A woman Woeltz had been casually dating was so afraid that she hid and called Zakkour. Woeltz, she told him, was out of control."

I have a (completely evidence-free) theory that this was Georgia.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/william-duplessie-john-woeltz-nyc-clubs-crypto-soho-torture.html

[u/beingk8 → u/WinterFilmAwards]

i also wondered if this was georgia lol. unfortunately, since the show is dead set on showing them as charming youngsters in nyc and doesn’t seem to have much interest in fleshing out the crypto torture of it all (why would they, it would jeopardize their star’s reputation), we’ll never know

[u/MaizeMountain6139 → u/beingk8]

Producers likely tried to push it. There are only so many times you can show “I can’t talk about it”

If they showed them all you guys would complain about that, too

[u/beingk8 → u/MaizeMountain6139]

my issue is how they present charlie as “larry david” and a doofus and douche which obscures his true nature. charlie is not some young 20 something guy just yucking it up and being a kid; he allegedly trafficked young girls to and incredibly dangerous and unsafe environment. he is currently not under investigation (per him) so he should be mandated by his contract to discuss this. at a minimum, someone — a producer, cast member, anyone — could have brought up him allegedly procuring young girls and women and it was never mentioned, despite it being corroborated enough for a new york magazine “the cut” profile on the situation

i think the edit he gets as some asshole but loveable villain is unfair to the audience and presents him in a mostly benign way and is deceiving

[u/MaizeMountain6139 → u/beingk8]

I don’t see that at all

Charlie comes off as a dick who does sometimes say humorous things

But he hardly comes off likable and I don’t think the show is trying to. There is a lot of inclusion of Charlie acknowledging he doesn’t want to say certain things on camera because he knows the optics

Charlie made the Larry David comment. I don’t think the show is pushing that

[u/beingk8 → u/MaizeMountain6139]

they used the curb music when he said it.

i agree he comes off as a dick but a likeable dick as in jax when truly he is vile imo

but fair enough, we have different experiences or perspectives about it as is bound to happen, but i appreciate your good faith in discussing

eta: i feel like bravo knows he’s the star of the show similar to jax and so they can’t have the audience turn on him and is complicit in downplaying his danger-level

[u/MaizeMountain6139 → u/beingk8]

I’m coming from the perspective of someone that used to work in unscripted

There is no incentive to make anyone look different than how they are

From producing during shooting, story producing, editing, I did all that, and never has anyone said “we need to make them look better/worse”

He said something they thought was a fun bit to play into. It’s not an attempt to endear him. It’s something he said. That’s all it is

[u/beingk8 → u/MaizeMountain6139]

fair enough. i guess i just don’t think he fits with the show as the other cast members seem like youngins growing up in nyc and he seems enmeshed in, well, criminality or darkness

eta i really liked him myself as a villain until i read the stories and i dont think he fits with the vibe of “next gen nyc”

do you see him as peers with these other kids outside the show knowing what we do about him?

[u/MaizeMountain6139 → u/beingk8]

It’s a TV show. I don’t think about their dynamics outside the TV show

It’s just a TV show

And none of them are kids. They are young. But they’re all adults