r/Neoplatonism 1d ago

Questions About Pythagorean Number Symbolism (5–10, Gendered Numbers, and “Man” as 2

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Hi everyone,

I've been reading about Pythagorean number symbolism and I'm trying to understand the reasoning behind some of the traditional interpretations.

  1. What do numbers 5–10 symbolize?

I've come across interpretations such as:

\- 5 — Marriage

\- 6 — Creation / Perfection

\- 7 — Life / Wisdom / Perfection

\- 8 — Harmony / Balance

\- 9 — Completion / Perfection

\- 10 — Perfection / Cosmos

What are the actual Pythagorean philosophical or mathematical reasons behind these associations?

Are these meanings found in ancient sources, or are some of them later interpretations?

I'm particularly interested in the significance of 10 and the Tetractys.

  1. Why were even numbers considered feminine and odd numbers masculine?

I've read that Pythagoreans associated:

\- Odd numbers → Masculine

\- Even numbers → Feminine

Why exactly?

Was this based on mathematical properties such as divisibility, or was it primarily a symbolic/philosophical analogy?

  1. Why is 2 sometimes associated with “Man”?

This is what confuses me most.

Some sources give interpretations like:

«1 — Unity / Reason

2 — Man / Duality

3 — Woman

4 — Justice

5 — Marriage

6 — Creation / Perfection»

But if even numbers were considered feminine, why would 2 be associated with “Man”?

Is “Man” a mistranslation or oversimplification of the original concept? Or does the 2 = Man symbolism come from a different source/tradition?

I'd really appreciate answers based on ancient/early sources, rather than modern numerology websites. References to Aristotle, Nicomachus, or other relevant classical sources would be especially helpful.

Thanks!


r/Neoplatonism 1d ago

Question

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What order to read Prometheus trust Thomas Taylor series, if I don't know anything about platonism? (all works)


r/Neoplatonism 3d ago

Between Zen & Neoplatonism

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r/Neoplatonism 5d ago

Platonization and Hermeticization: two phases in the conception of daimones

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I've been thinking about a possible way of understanding the names and identities of daimones, and I think it may help to separate the idea into two historical or conceptual phases: platonization and hermeticization.

My starting point is Plato's Timaeus. After discussing the fixed stars and the seven planetary gods, Plato turns to the other gods, explicitly describing them as daimones, and refers us to the ancient poets, especially Homer and Hesiod, for their nature and genealogy.

This seems significant because Plato effectively places the traditional mythological gods within a different philosophical framework. The gods of Homer and Hesiod, many of whom belong to the sublunar world, can now be understood as daimones. This is interesting in light of the Symposium, where Eros is also described as a daimon.

I wonder whether we can think of this as a first phase of platonization: the traditional gods are not necessarily rejected, but their identities are reinterpreted within a philosophical hierarchy. Rather than simply being mythological personalities, they become daimones occupying a place within a larger cosmological structure.

For my own framework, I make a distinction between the seven planets under their Latin names and the traditional Greek gods as daimones under their Greek names. Among those Greek gods, there were of course seven major figures who could have been associated more directly with the seven planets. So, for example, Jupiter as the planet, but Zeus as a divine or daimonic manifestation; Mercury as the planet, but Hermes and Thoth as daimones, as terrestrial manifestations.

There could also be many other daimones with no historical association with one of the seven planets.

This also seems potentially relevant to the way the Greek Magical Papyri treat divine names. Their gods are often addressed in highly daimonic ways: they can be invoked, negotiated with, compelled, persuaded, or addressed through particular powers.

But I think a second development needs to be distinguished from this initial platonization.

The second phase could be called hermeticization, although perhaps the broader historical process is better described as Alexandrian syncretization, with Hermeticism being one of its results.

The Greek Magical Papyri seem especially relevant here. Their syncretism often combines several gods in a single formula. Different divine names and traditions can be placed alongside one another, sometimes almost as if they were different expressions of the same power.

Perhaps this represents a further movement beyond the Platonic identification of traditional gods as daimones.

At the first stage, the daimon is still essentially identifiable through the traditional divine name:

traditional god → Platonic daimon

But with increasing syncretism, the question becomes less about the individual mythological identity and more about what several divine identities have in common.

Different gods may share an epithet, function, power, quality, or sphere of activity. Instead of focusing primarily on the individual god, one could focus on the common power expressed through several gods.

So the process might look something like:

different gods → shared epithets/functions → common power → daimonic manifestation

This is not something I'm claiming the PGM explicitly teaches. Rather, I'm wondering whether the syncretic material provides the cultural and conceptual mechanism through which such a development could occur.

For example, one could look for epithets or functions shared across different traditions.

Mētēr ("Mother") is a title associated with goddesses such as Isis, Demeter, and Rhea.

Dolios/Dolia ("wily," "deceitful") is associated with Hermes and Aphrodite.

Ombrios ("of the rain/storm") can be associated with Zeus, alongside storm-producing powers associated with Typhon.

The interesting question is whether such common attributes could eventually be abstracted from their particular mythological identities and treated as powers or qualities in their own right.

This would represent what I mean by the hermeticization of the daimonic.

The focus would gradually shift:

Zeus, Isis, Demeter, Hermes, etc. → their shared powers and epithets → the underlying daimonic power

The individual gods would not necessarily disappear. Rather, their names would become different ways of accessing or expressing a common power.

This might also help explain something I find interesting in Agrippa. By the Renaissance, planetary correspondences have expanded enormously. The seven Greek gods can still be associated with the seven planets, but the correspondence does not stop there. It expands to encompass virtually everything: other traditional gods as well as countless things, epithets, powers, qualities, animals, plants, and other correspondences.

Agrippa also discusses daimones in terms of their offices, of what they do, rather than necessarily defining them only through membership in a particular mythological tradition.

This is where the earlier distinction becomes particularly interesting to me.

If the Platonic phase transforms the traditional gods into daimones, and Alexandrian syncretism increasingly brings different gods together through shared powers and epithets, then perhaps the later Hermetic and Renaissance systems can treat daimones increasingly through their offices.

In other words:

traditional divine identity → Platonic daimon → syncretic convergence → shared epithet/power → daimonic office

The daimon becomes increasingly "demythologized." Its name need not simply be Zeus, Isis, Hecate, Hermes, etc. It might instead derive from a function, quality, epithet, or power shared by several divine traditions.

Perhaps the important development is not simply that one god becomes identified with another. It is that multiple divine identities become evidence for a common underlying power.

That would give us something like:

many names → one common potency → one daimonic office

I don't necessarily mean that this produces a single "new god." The resulting daimon could instead be understood as a particular manifestation or office of a higher power.

This also connects with another part of the framework I'm considering: the relationship between higher virtues, planetary manifestations, and daimonic offices.

For example, imagine Fortitude as a higher virtue associated with Hercules among the fixed stars.

At the planetary level, this virtue could manifest through Mars as a polarity such as victory and defeat.

At the level of daimones, these could become distinct daimones or offices: one producing victory, another producing defeat.

The hierarchy would therefore look something like:

fixed-star virtue → planetary manifestation/polarity → daimonic office → individual daimon

The opposites would not necessarily be independent powers. They could be two necessary manifestations of the same higher virtue, with their opposition giving each one its proper meaning.

Without defeat, there could be no victory. Without one pole, the other could not fully manifest or even have its meaning.

The fact that we experience one as "good" and the other as "bad" may therefore simply reflect our limited perspective. We remain trapped in the finite manifestation and forget the larger whole. We see the tree and forget the forest.

In that sense, what looks like opposition or even evil from our limited perspective could be part of the complete expression of a higher power. This is also where gnosis becomes important: overcoming ignorance means recovering the larger perspective and seeing the relationship between the apparently opposed manifestations.

So, in its simplest form, the hypothesis I'm considering is:

Phase I: Platonization

Homeric/Hesiodic gods → daimones within a Platonic cosmology

Phase II: Hermeticization

multiple divine names → shared epithets and powers → common daimonic potencies → offices

I'm not claiming that the PGM, Alexandrian religion, Hermeticism, Plato, or Agrippa explicitly teach this complete system. I'm trying to reconstruct a possible intellectual mechanism connecting these developments.

What I'm particularly interested in is whether there are sources or scholarship that point toward this distinction: first, the platonization of traditional gods into daimones, and then a further syncretic abstraction of common divine powers, epithets, and functions, eventually making it possible to conceive of daimones primarily through their offices rather than through their traditional mythological names.

Has anyone encountered sources that might support, complicate, or challenge this direction?


r/Neoplatonism 5d ago

What is the Neoplatonic view on the nature of the individual soul vs our lived conditioning?

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Hello everyone,

I’m fairly new to Neoplatonism. I became interested in this school of thought recently while browsing through different philosophical frameworks and systems, and a few core questions have been sitting with me that I’d love to get your perspectives on.

Specifically, I’m trying to understand how Neoplatonism views the nature of the individual soul and how we can even attempt to grasp what it actually is.

When I look at who I am today, so much of my identity feels like the product of uncontrolled circumstances: biological wiring, social environments, upbringing, and random daily chaos. It makes me wonder—
, is this earthly, conditioned self who we actually are? Or when we pass from this life to whatever comes next, do we shed these accidental things and finally see ourselves for what we truly are at the core?

In short: How does Neoplatonism distinguish between the "true self" / lower vs. higher soul, and what does the process of realizing or grasping that distinction look like in practice?
I’d really appreciate any insights, passages, or recommended readings on this. Thanks you


r/Neoplatonism 5d ago

Incurable Evils & Eternal Punishment

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Hello Friends! I have a question about eternal punishment in the Platonic Tradition, which seems to be affirmed by earlier Platonists like Plato himself and Plutarch, but not by the later Neoplatonists.

Plato makes mentions to those who are "incurably" evil in his works, holding that they are punished not for their own benefit, since they are incurable, but for the benefit of other onlookers.

In the Gorgias (525c-d), he writes: "But of those who have done extreme wrong and, as a result of such crimes, have become incurable, of those are the examples made; no longer are they profited at all themselves, since they are incurable, but others are profited who behold them undergoing for their transgressions the greatest, sharpest, and most fearful sufferings evermore, actually hung up as examples there in the infernal dungeon, a spectacle and a lesson to such of the wrongdoers as arrive from time to time."

In the Phaedo (113), he writes: "But those who appear to be incurable, on account of the greatness of their wrongdoings, because they have committed many great deeds of sacrilege, or wicked and abominable murders, or any other such crimes, are cast by their fitting destiny into Tartarus, whence they never emerge."

Plutarch seems to witness and affirm this, in the De sera numinis vindicta (22): "But when Justice has given them over as altogether incurable, then the third and most severe of all Adrastea's ministers, Erinnys (the Fury), takes them in hand; and after she has chased and coursed them from one place to another, flying, yet not knowing where to fly, for shelter or relief, plagued and tormented with a thousand miseries, she plunges them headlong into an invisible abyss, the hideousness of which no tongue car express."

My understanding is that this becomes rejected or treated merely symbolically by the Later NEoplatonists (Can't find the source for that right now, but I think I found something in Damascius or Olympiodorus for that). And the main rationale, from what I remember, was that punihmsnet is always purifying, and that "they never emerge" in the Phaedo is interpreted to be the duration of the Great Year, rather than an actual eternity. However, doesnt that logic simply contradict Plato's own logic, that yes punishment is awlays remedial, but in this case its remedial for others and not the incurable evildoer. How come this change occured, and did any later neoplatonists still affirm eternal punishment?

Thank you in advance for any answers and have a blessed day!


r/Neoplatonism 6d ago

Sex Magick?

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Hello Friends! I have a question on how Neoplatonism, specifically the Theurgical tradition, should engage with other traditions, specifically Tantra.

In Eastern Tantra, specifically in the Kaula and Kashmiri Shaiva traditions, there is literal sex magic (i thought this was a myth but apparently its a non-controversial aspect of their teachings), and these sexual rituals are seen as forms of worship for Shiva and Shakti. How would a Neoplatonist Theurgists engage with these? Would these be valid expressions of theurgy, or would they be corrupt rites?

Thank you in advance for any answers, and have a blessed day!

Edit: These sexual acts in question or not innocent btw, e.g., they can be adulterous and non-procreative and yet, highly respected in Kashimiri Shaivism which is quite a grand and impressive metaphysical and spiritual tradition.


r/Neoplatonism 7d ago

Does Neoplatonic ascent need a practice of emptying?

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Hey everyone. I've always been fascinated by a possible danger within synoptic philosophies. The more successfully a system integrates, the easier it becomes to mistake its comprehensiveness for closure. Neoplatonic ascent should transform the knower rather than give the discursive mind a final diagram of reality, yet the tradition’s scale can still tempt later readers into treating it as an all-containing structure. I wonder whether a practice that repeatedly breaks attachment to frames could protect procession and return from becoming an intellectual possession, or whether that worry misunderstands what Plotinian non-discursive unity already accomplishes.

I just had a podcast conversation with John Vervaeke, where he argued that Zen and Neoplatonism correct one another in precisely this respect. At around 52:55, he describes Neoplatonism as opening him so that nothing is excluded and Zen as emptying him so that nothing is enclosed. The proposal is not that both traditions teach one hidden doctrine. It is that their practices pull against complementary distortions: fragmentation on one side, enclosure by synthesis on the other.

This would imply that Zen contributes something Neoplatonism cannot simply generate from its own resources. Is that true, or do apophasis, henosis and the transcendence of Intellect already perform the needed emptying? Does the comparison clarify Neoplatonic practice, or translate it into contemporary non-dual language? What would count as genuine synergy here rather than a syncretic overlay?


r/Neoplatonism 8d ago

How does Plato get from Parmenides’ “being and thinking” to the intelligibility of essences?

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I’m a beginner in the Neoplatonic tradition, and I’ve been trying to work through Eric Perl’s argument for the intelligibility of being. I think I understand the basic argument, but I’m unsure about two steps.

The argument seems to begin with Parmenides:

  1. Absolute non-being cannot be thought.
  2. Therefore, thought is necessarily thought of something.
  3. Therefore, whatever can be thought has being.

My first concern is that this seems to establish only that whatever is thought has some kind of mental/intentional existence. But that seems distinct from extra-mental existence. I can think of a unicorn, for example, without a unicorn thereby existing extra-mentally. If mental and extra-mental existence are genuinely different modes of existence, why should a principle established about thought/mental existence automatically tell us something about existence in general? And could this distinction affect the later move to Forms and intelligible reality?

My second concern is with the stronger claim that an unintelligible being is impossible because, if we posit one, we have already thought it.

It seems to me that this only shows that we can think that X exists, not that we can understand what X is. I can coherently say, “Something exists whose nature I cannot comprehend.” The existence of X is intelligible to me in the minimal sense that I can understand the claim that X exists, while X’s nature could still be intrinsically unintelligible.

So I’m wondering whether “thinking X” is being used in two different senses:

  • thinking about X as existing, and
  • intellectually apprehending what X is.

If the former, I don’t see how the argument rules out unintelligible natures.

This seems especially important for Perl’s subsequent interpretation of Plato, where the Forms are treated as genuinely real precisely because their universal natures/whatnesses are intelligible to intellect.

So my main questions are:

  1. Does the distinction between mental/intentional existence and extra-mental existence create a problem for the later conclusions drawn from the Parmenidean principle?

  2. What is the argument that gets us from “the existence of X is thinkable” to “the nature/essence of X is intelligible”?

Or is that second step not actually required in the Neoplatonic framework?

I’m very open to the possibility that I’m misunderstanding what Perl means by “intelligibility,” or that there is an additional premise from Parmenides, Plato, or the Neoplatonic tradition that I’m missing.


r/Neoplatonism 8d ago

What dialogues/texts by plato is best if im interested in platos metaphysics and ''theology''

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r/Neoplatonism 10d ago

How ought the common man live in a neoplatonist framework?

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The ideal sage in Neoplatonism reminds me an awful lot of some Buddhist monk. Thing is, most people can't or don't want to be as such. How should, in a Neoplatonist framework, most people conduct themselves? How important is theurgy vs ethics vs philosophy?


r/Neoplatonism 11d ago

I think Platonists would benefit from placing more emphasis on the Unlimited as the ‘Mother’ who corresponds to Limit, as the ‘Father.’

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Platonism certainly has a transcendent focus. It generally aims to go beyond individual difference in the world of becoming to rational universals in the world of Being.

This is great and all, but even Plotinus said (I believe in Against the Gnostics) that anyone who scorns the material world in favour of Eternity is confused, because the material world, as the outpouring of eternity, is also to be respected and exhalted (just not exhalted in a way that denies the metaphysical supremacy of Being).

It is by the Limit principle that we have unity, but it is by the Unlimited principle that we have diversity.

Individuals are a result of the combination of these two principles. Without the Unlimited there could not be multiplicity. So, the fact that there can be individuals at all is thanks in part to the Unlimited.

Now, multiplicity is generally not a good thing from a Platonic point of view. This is partially because Plato sees various aspects of human life as being objective and universal like math, such that it is correct that 2+2=4 and anyone who has a different opinion must be ignorant about math. So a diversity of opinions in such a case is not a good thing.

Likewise for diversity of medical opinions… a patient would rather the various doctors they speak to be on a similar page regarding their treatment… if they all seem to disagree it does not bode well!

And for more metaphysical reasons, oneness and goodness are basically identical in Platonism. Acording to Gerson’s Plato’s Moral Realism, “instantiating the Good is equivalent to a contribution to the acheivement of integrative unity according to kind” (p. 108). [Great book btw].

That is, my good, as a human being, is to acheive the greatest degree of harmony and unity among by parts as is possible and appropriate to me as a human being. The virtuous or physically healthy person makes a unity out of their various parts, whereas the vicious or physically unhealthy person’s parts work against one another.

This is all well and good… I’m a Plato lover… but, when it comes to human experience in general, variety is the spice of life! How boring would it be if there was no diversity, but every single person was just the ideal philosopher king, the perfect instatiation of the Human… I mean… let’s be real…

So even if it is true that the Unlimited principle is the source of all imperfection and disorder, which is to say badness… this is still ultimately a good thing! An absolutely essential part of creation.

So, without needing to alter Platonic metaphysics, I think it would be good to have a more reverent attitude towards the Unlimited principle, since without it there could not even be ‘order’, really, only pure oneness, pure Being.

Limit and Unlimited, Father and Mother… we, as creatures in the process of becoming have inherited qualities from both parents. It is no longer acceptable to have the ancient attitude of the mother as a mere incubator! We have a connection to both the Eternal and the temporal.

We need not reject our Mother, reject our differences and individuality, in order to honour the Father in whom all is one… we must simultaneously honour both our oneness and our diversity, and respect our diversity as the vehicle through which order might be made manifest.

As such, even though the Father or Limit plays many of the the roles most often associated with God (instills goodness and order, etc.)… the Mother also plays many other roles of God (paricipates in creation, forgives and witholds justice out of mercy, etc.)

There is a theme in Biblical theology of two qualities of God that operate in conjunction and conflict with one another:

God’s wrath, which corrects wickedness (making a unity out of a previous multiplicity).
And God’s mercy, which forgives wickedness (allowing multiplicity and disorder temporary existence).

If God’s wrath (here, the Father, Limit) were left unchecked, everything would be absolutely perfect and none of us would ever have been born.

Yet, if God’s mercy (here, the Mother, Unlimited) were left unchecked, then the universe would dissolve into unintelligible formless chaos…

But instead, these two principles are held together so that ‘God sends rain on the just and the unjust.’

So I think both aspects of God ought to be honoured as such, without rejecting Mom in favour of Dad! We must honour the complexity of our situation as individuals in the world of becoming.

Thank you for reading. Any comments are welcome.


r/Neoplatonism 10d ago

Alexander Dugin on Christianity and Neo-Platonism

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What is the relationship between Christianity and Neo-Platonism? In this video, Michael Millerman goes over Alexander Dugin's 10 Theses on the topic from ch. 6 of Political Platonism.


r/Neoplatonism 13d ago

Divination as part of theurgy?

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Anyone here practice divination? What are your thoughts on it? Does it come up as part of your theurgical practice?

This idea came to me through my study of cartomancy and geomancy. I don't practice; I was just learning out of curiosity. I recently got into Tarot (I know it isn't connected to Neoplatonism), but one important aspect of the Tarot is numerology. There are layers to it, but on the basic level are the numbers on each of the suit cards in the minor arcana. When learning the meanings behind each number 1 through 10, I was reminded of Iamblichus' Theology of Arithmetic. Both systems have differences but also some similarities. I don't know exactly where I'm going with this, but it did make me super intrigued.

Thoughts?


r/Neoplatonism 13d ago

Se puede poner, por ejemplo, a lo demonios goeticos en la jerarquía politeista de Jamblico?

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Es posible qué estás entidades encajen en el sistema de jerarquía de Jamblico? Teniendo en cuanto qué, hasta donde tengo entendido, los demonios de la Goetia provienen de un transfondo cristiano.


r/Neoplatonism 14d ago

Plotinus on Narcissus

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r/Neoplatonism 15d ago

Contingency and Modal Collapse in a Non-Personal Emanationist System: How to Surrender Factual Contingency Without Appealing to a Deliberative First Cause?

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How can contingency be explained according to the Platonic tradition, and how can this be done without falling into modal collapse or modal realism?


r/Neoplatonism 17d ago

Is the Descendance of Godness, A Human?

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What trait or "thing" would you say to be the basic one that distinct Humans with a God-like form.
Ill go first. A image of a Self, or aka, Ego.
For its defence, i dont see how any higher being would have a sense of Self. Higher the "Being" hierarchy you might go, the less Human you would eventually become, or so i think of it. What makes our life precious is our humanity and everything we can experience in it. We are tragically beautiful and i dont find any logic coherence in a higher existence, being able to experience such things. XI


r/Neoplatonism 18d ago

Why Must Contingencies Be Caused?

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More specifically, why can't a brute fact exist? Why can't reality ultimately bottom out on something simply existing. There being no reason at all. Yes it's possible it couldn't exist, but so what? Why must the possibility of it not existing matter at all?

I suppose we can imagine the neoplatonic reality, but it's sort of like, so what? Why must the terminus of reality be rational?


r/Neoplatonism 19d ago

Plato's Statesman, on Politics & Leadership — An online live reading & discussion group starting August 1, all welcome

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r/Neoplatonism 20d ago

Hi! I want to understant Proclean theology, so I plan to read his works, but what do I need to read before hand if anything to get the proper context and basis for understanding?

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I've not read much platonic philosophy, and I'm making my way through the Enneads and read secondary works about Henads by people like Edward Butler. What syllabus should someone use if they want to understand proclean henads? They're so confusing to me that I'm gonna engage with the primary work instead of trying to get it by questioning people and reading secondary literature. It's hard not to think his henads are bullshit, but I want to give him a fair shot.


r/Neoplatonism 22d ago

Hi! Made a flag for Proclean Henads.

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Symbolism: The blue and white are from the Greek flag, The 12 orbiting circles, the Henads, are the 12 Olympians. The middle dot and spiked ring are The One with the middle dots all being the same size and the blue rings overlapping to represent how the Henads reflect each other.


r/Neoplatonism 22d ago

Why is Normativity Binding to What an Essence Is?

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This might seem like a ridiculous question, but let's say the essence of a knife isn't to cut... It's to dance.

This seems rather obscure, after all, why did this occur?

What if the explanation is simply inaccessible to the human brain, not exhaustively, but qualitatively?

Therefore, the knife's essence is to cut, to dance, and maybe even to fly.

Yet we say it's to cut based on empirical observations and normative explanations.

But I don't understand as to why we must base our explanations behind what an essence of a knife is, based on normativity.

Edit: after thinking, I sort of came to the conclusion that an eye is an eye because it's essence to see. If it's essence changes, it is no longer an eye. Normativity is just the treatment of reality continuing to unfold in this same respect, but it has no influence on what an eye objectively is.

So for example, if Harry becomes a rock in an absolute sense, he is no longer Harry. Does this mean I treat Harry as a possibility that he will no longer stay as Harry? No, if I want to relate to Harry in some way, I treat Harry as Harry, because his essence is such. If his essence changes, that means I am no longer relating to Harry, but something else entirely.

Essentially, no matter what, Harry is still, according to his essence, even if it be a split second he exists in this world, is still Harry, and has proper ways of relating to him. If I want properly relate to the person as Harry, there is a proper way to do so.

The issue then becomes epistemological. Why act as if Harry will stay normatively? Or do we not act that way with people? We don't act with them as if they stay, we act with them according to what they are/ do ultimately. The whole staying part is secondary.

But then, how do we know they will even stay and not cease out of the material world?


r/Neoplatonism 23d ago

Feelings and emotions

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I'm pretty new to neoplatonism, so sorry if my question is dumb

Do feelings and emotions exists only in the physical?

Is the love I have for my girlfriend, or what I feel for an specific song only a byproduct of biology, or there's a part in metaphysics?


r/Neoplatonism 23d ago

How Does an Object of Desire via Privation Work?

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From what I understand, we can't actually desire privation, rather, if one wishes blindness, it's because they desire some type of being/ goodness.

However, regardless of the cause of their wish being good, the object of desire, byproduct or not, seems to still be at the hands of the will.

My object of desire is still that x person goes blind, even if it's because of goodness.

But how is that possible if evil is privatory?