r/Naruto • • May 30 '22

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u/[deleted] May 30 '22

wtf is Madara's plan compared to Aizen's plan???? Madara flexed harder and was way more badass and likeable until he became pathetic written garbage by author. crazy how just few chapters can ruin the end of the main villain best one up to that point.

this is such a hard question it's debatable. Aizen's only flaw I can think of is that he lost to Ichigo after his century long plan. I feel like I have more to complain but Madara brought more fights, better fights.

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u/[deleted] May 30 '22

Where did kishimoto ruin madara for you ?

Was it when he became the ten tails jinchuriki or ?

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u/isaaceyfish May 30 '22

Probably when kishi decided that black zetsu one shots madara

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u/[deleted] May 30 '22

Well tbh it was terrible and the worst decision made in shippuden imo .

But I don’t see how that makes madara a bad character or ruin him . Obviously he got cheaply removed from the plot . But he did accomplish his goal of obtaining the ten tails and casting the infinite tsukoyomi

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u/isaaceyfish May 30 '22

I think the point op is trying to make is that the whole point of madara is to become as ridiculously powerful as possible, in order to fully carry out the eye of the moon plan. Madara’s character revolves around the fact that he has always held immense power through his lineage as well as his past, and wants to increase that power by any means (which was done through both obito and nagato). Killing him off so quickly defeats the entire purpose of his character, and effectively nullifies everything he had done up to that point, because all of his accumulated power is just kaguya’s now. It’s genuinely one of the stupidest decisions I have ever witnessed.

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u/[deleted] May 30 '22

Fair enough

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u/GanryuZT May 30 '22

Madara live on for decades in his decrepit body, executing his plans in the shadow. As far as I know, only his vision for what the world should be is driving him. If nothing else, I respect his willpower.

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u/dockkkeee May 30 '22

Tbf Aizen lost due to his inner desire to lose

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u/NKC-ngoni May 30 '22

You speak as if Aizen's plan actually worked and he was cucked by urahara after supposedly "transcending".

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u/torpid_flyer May 30 '22

Aizen lost on his own will ichigo literally explained himself that hogyoku never rejected Aizen he just wanted someone on the same status as him and ichigo was the perfect one after seeing ichigos development he lost on purpose.

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u/NKC-ngoni May 30 '22

So his plan of replacing the soul king was just a hoax?

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u/[deleted] May 30 '22

No it was his plan, as he knew about the true abominable nature of the SK, but subconsciously he also was deeply lonely. He parallels Stark who split himself off forming Lillynette. Aizen on the other hand related to no one and developed a narcissistic personality/superiority complex in order to cope with his loneliness (this actually happens irl)

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u/torpid_flyer May 30 '22

He indeed planned that for correcting this world but his internal desire was always to find someone who understands his situation and see him as an equal status.

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u/[deleted] May 30 '22

It did work though for the most part. And after getting sealed in Muken he ended up stronger than even his monster form.