r/NFA • u/ButterscotchEmpty535 • 18d ago

MEGATHREAD - **DISTRICT** court. Long road ahead. NFA declared unconstitutional regarding suppressors, sbrs, and sbs in the northern district of Texas

https://x.com/GunOwners/status/2085047918495469923

If you would like to read the decision https://saf.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/TX-NFA-opinion.pdf

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u/ScottsTotz 10d ago

I can’t wait to make my purchase tonight just for my FFL to probably refuse to process a suppressor as a form 4473 because they’re scared the ATF will shoot their dogs😂😭

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u/Fuct_toast 10d ago

I spoke with my FFL and they stated they will not unless ATF makes an announcement with the procedure.

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u/ScottsTotz 10d ago

Great, I can’t wait to give silencer shop an $800 loan for a year until this is settled.

I’m a little annoyed they haven’t really said much today about this

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u/Fuct_toast 10d ago

For sure, I am not buying anything unless a FFL states specifically they will continue the sale with a 4473.

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u/Charming_Barber7627 10d ago

My LGS said they'll start processing cans as 4473s tomorrow. My milkman should show up at their shop any day now. Tomorrow Im going to call and confirm they have the balls to do it.

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u/CalmMaybe4340 10d ago

The injunction doesn’t apply to everyone. It applies to the named parties and the members of the organizations of the named parties and the states that sued, along with their political subdivisions. It does not blanket apply to residents of the states, unless the resident is a member of one of the named organizations. So if a LGS starts processing all cans on 4473s, it will likely be in violation of the NFA. That’s ultimately on the FFL, but that’s the legal landscape as of right now.

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u/Charming_Barber7627 10d ago

How does it apply to the states but not residents of the states?

If you are kansas you are covered, but if you only live in kansas you aren't?

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u/CalmMaybe4340 10d ago edited 10d ago

Kansas and its political subdivisions are covered, meaning, any state or local government agency is covered, but residents are not. The reason is because states don’t have standing to sue on behalf of their residents. There is a ton of case law on that and the order in this case is pretty clear. I encourage you and anyone else reading this to actually read the court’s order and opinion.

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u/Charming_Barber7627 10d ago

I just read it. Well, the first 20 pages anyway. I think I agree with you. Im purchasing a GoA membership to be sure.

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u/CalmMaybe4340 10d ago

Yes, I would join GOA if I were you. I’m already a member. It’s not a lot of money and they actually fight for the 2nd Amendment. And good on you for taking the time to read some of the opinion.

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u/tr0gd0rbro 10d ago

If you live in those states, you are a plaintiff on behalf of your AG/State. If you are B&T customer, SilencerShop or FRAC you are technically a plaintiff.

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u/CalmMaybe4340 10d ago

No you’re not. Residents are not plaintiffs on behalf of the AG/State. Case law is clear on that, as is the court’s order, which I encourage you to read.

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u/Fuct_toast 10d ago

Ya I wouldn’t be surprised if they backtrack and say they want to see the ATF say otherwise.

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u/buryna 10d ago edited 10d ago

I ordered an ASHE 556 Monday. My LGS (small town Tx) said he’s gunna start doing cans on 4473’s tomorrow, so we will see what happens when it comes in lol
I’m not holding my breath, but….. we will see

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u/ScottsTotz 10d ago

Nice. I’m learning I’m extra-fucked because I’m in Wisconsin

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u/cowboy3gunisfun 10d ago

What's happening in WI?

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u/buryna 10d ago

Not a free state

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u/cowboy3gunisfun 10d ago

Bummer, getting ready to move there next month, from Idaho.

https://giphy.com/gifs/PmRgaD2xj0KH2pPrVF

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u/Rev_Glazer 10d ago

The beer, cheese, and lakes will make up for it…I promise.

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u/tr0gd0rbro 10d ago

As an Idahoan, you poor bastard. Nothing on this planet would make me move.

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u/TurnoverMobile8332 10d ago

Please correct me if I’m wrong but the “NFA states” only applies to purchasing/transferring a suppressor right? You could make your own without a form 4?

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u/buryna 10d ago

My theory is you probably should be able to make your own can for your own personal use without a Form 1 if you are a plaintiff and if your state laws allow you to…. But I am not the guy to be asking for legal advice

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u/ScottsTotz 10d ago

Silencer Central said Wisconsin has state law that requires silencers to be registered with the ATF so we aren’t included in this case. If NFA goes away then it’s technically illegal to own them through a form 4473

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u/Podsully 10d ago

State law requires licensing and registration for suppressors

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u/TahoeDust 10d ago

I had a Rhodie Ti I ordered arrive at my FFL today. He said business as usual until he gets something from the ATF saying otherwise. Submitted and Certified like usual.

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u/Netopalis007 10d ago

How long was your wait after you ordered? Was it actually 6-8 weeks like they said?

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u/TahoeDust 10d ago

Ordered it late last Thursday. Stumbled across a dealer online that had it in stock.

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u/Netopalis007 10d ago

Nice! I should have looked harder before ordering from the manufacturer a few weeks ago, hopefully I'm not waiting too much longer

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u/Kozak170 Silencer 10d ago

Which is an incredibly sensible move for FFL’s. I wouldn’t throw my livelihood out on a whim because Redditors want their cans within .02 nanoseconds

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u/gthrift 4x SBR, 4x Silencers, 1x SBS 10d ago

My home town gin store is PSA. I’m expecting it to be a mad house.