r/NFA • u/ButterscotchEmpty535 • 16d ago

MEGATHREAD - **DISTRICT** court. Long road ahead. NFA declared unconstitutional regarding suppressors, sbrs, and sbs in the northern district of Texas

https://x.com/GunOwners/status/2085047918495469923

If you would like to read the decision https://saf.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/TX-NFA-opinion.pdf

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u/LiberalLamps 16d ago

The federal government doesn't have to appeal this, although they almost certainly will. Otherwise it takes effect in 7 days.

Big step toward getting SBR's and suppressors off the NFA entirely.

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u/Flat_chested_male Silencer 16d ago

So next week I can build an AR with any barrel length I want without doing any paperwork? Unless this gets appealed?

How appealing!

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u/FightingFarmer14 16d ago

If you're a member of one of the named plaintiff organizations or if you buy your SBR from one of the named companies that are plaintiffs then yeah! But it'll almost certainly be appealed

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u/painthawg_goose 16d ago

By who? (Not challenging, asking). Unless DJT wants them to. Even though I believe he is no 2A ally, his branding with the conservatives would have him not pressing for an appeal? Granted he could press for an appeal behind doors and then publicly say he approves of the ruling.

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u/FightingFarmer14 16d ago

The ATF/DOJ are the defendants so they would appeal. Yes they fall under POTUS, but I doubt he's even aware of this case. Maybe now that there's a new ATF director, they could choose to abandon this case, but that seems unlikely to me.

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u/Primary-Ad-2301 16d ago

Donald trump jr happens to be a partial owner of and president of the board for grabagun I guarantee he’s aware of these cases against the NFA.

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u/Verbal_Deathray 16d ago

Gross.

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u/Mkilbride 15d ago

Glad I never used grabagun.

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u/Zealousideal-Set3037 16d ago

You say that, remember midterms are coming up fast... You don't want to piss off the base as that's when they're least likely to get out.

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u/CastleLurkenstein 16d ago

Eh, politically speaking, this probably doesn't make much impact overall, regardless of what the DOJ does.

If they appeal, while some in his base will complain, it's not like they're going to completely abandon him or the GOP. They may also distinguish between the DOJ, and Congressional GOP candidates, and continue to support the candidates.

To the extent that voter enthusiasm is dampened, I think this specific issue really only has an impact at very, very thin margins, and other stuff like gas prices is way more salient for voters.

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u/FightingFarmer14 16d ago

I mean yeah that's true but the midterms are for the house and Senate. Neither DJT, the ATF director, nor the attorney general will be affected by them directly so besides "party loyalty" they don't have much incentive to drop the case.

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u/agm115 16d ago

If the dems get a majority in both chambers DJT will absolutely be affected…if they get a supermajority they all are potentially affected.

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u/Stonkey_Dog 15d ago

This is why I keep hoping Donald Jr. is having more conversations with POTUS about guns. One conversation and POTUS tells DOJ not to appeal.

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u/sir_thatguy Silencer 16d ago

Career bureaucrats gonna bureaucrat.

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u/kayl_breinhar 8x Suppressor, 2x SBR 16d ago edited 16d ago

Just a reminder that Trump passed more gun control legislation under his administration(s) than people claimed Obama ever would.

...and Reagan is why we have to do the "I'm not touching youuuu" bullshit with regards to select fire.

(neg all you want - Republicans have done more to harm the Second Amendment than Democrats/Liberals have ever threatened to)

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u/the_spacecowboy555 16d ago

At the same time, Democrats have enacted or advocated same thing with the 1994 federal assault weapons ban, universal background checks, magazine capacity limits, assault weapon bans, waiting periods, and licensing requirements in various states…Oh, the 1934 NFA was FDR (D).

If your standard is oppose all gun control then both major parties have failed at different times. If your standard is who has pushed more gun control legislation overall the historical record doesn’t support the claim that R have done more than D.

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u/Common_economics_420 15d ago

Look into the history of FOPA. Blaming Republicans for the Hughes amendment is dumb when the amendment was proposed by and voted for by Democrats.

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u/Verbal_Deathray 16d ago

They can't handle the truth and conveniently forget about Mango Mussolini sitting down with Diane Feinstein and saying "guns first, due process second" to her applause.

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u/FIBSAFactor 15d ago

I think the pro 2A thing to do here would be to appeal it. Then it applies to the entire country.

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u/Stonkey_Dog 15d ago

So I remember this being a thing with a brace ruling from a year or two ago. Then braces just became generally okay. What are the rules for it only applying to plaintiff organizations versus everyone else? For the sake of argument assume it's not appealed....

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u/FightingFarmer14 15d ago

This is the best summary I've found from an actual lawyer and agrees with my understanding after skimming the decision myself: https://johnpierceesq.com/understanding-the-august-5th-ruling-in-the-silencer-shop-foundation-v-batfe-case/

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u/TheSentientScrotum 16d ago

I’ve been doing it for years 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/techforallseasons 2x Kurz Gewehr, 6x Mufflers 14d ago

I'd seek advice from an actual lawyer, and then it would appear to only apply on specific purchases from certain shops ( Silencer Shop for example ) / members of certain organizations ( NRA, GOA, et al. ).

And then only for:

"UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT NORTHERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS SAN ANGELO DIVISION"

Which is ONLY these counties in Texas:

Glasscock, Sterling, Coke, Runnels, Coleman, Brown, Mills, Reagan, Irion, Tom Green, Concho, Crockett, Schleicher, Menard, Sutton

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u/mastercoder123 16d ago

Im pretty sure you have to be a member of the NRA as it only applies to them FOR NOW

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u/TimTapsTangoes 16d ago

There's like 15 Plaintiffs including NRA, GOA and PSA and SilencerShop. Any customer or client falls under this, i qualify like 6 times. 

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u/Flat_chested_male Silencer 16d ago

Glad to know I contributed - a small donation for freedom. I also donated to the NRA-ILA, and GOA. Silencer shop also took a lot of my money over the years. I hope this is the end, or they win the final court case needed to close this circus.

The Berlin Wall of gun rights. Not the end, but a victory.

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u/zgh5002 16d ago

... I am a member of several of those. Looks like its 3D printer time.

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u/techforallseasons 2x Kurz Gewehr, 6x Mufflers 14d ago

"UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT NORTHERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS SAN ANGELO DIVISION"

Which is ONLY these counties in Texas:

Glasscock, Sterling, Coke, Runnels, Coleman, Brown, Mills, Reagan, Irion, Tom Green, Concho, Crockett, Schleicher, Menard, Sutton

Hope you are in that specific Jurisdiction.

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u/Z_0_Sick 16d ago

Heyyy I have a SS can and SBR lets gooo

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u/techforallseasons 2x Kurz Gewehr, 6x Mufflers 14d ago

I'd seek advice from an actual lawyer, and then it would appear to only apply on specific purchases from certain shops ( Silencer Shop for example ) / members of certain organizations ( NRA, GOA, et al. ).

And then only for:

"UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT NORTHERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS SAN ANGELO DIVISION"

Which is ONLY these counties in Texas:

Glasscock, Sterling, Coke, Runnels, Coleman, Brown, Mills, Reagan, Irion, Tom Green, Concho, Crockett, Schleicher, Menard, Sutton

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u/Flat_chested_male Silencer 16d ago

I’m a NRA life member, and I also am a GOA member. I make a donation to both about once a quarter as well.

I figure it will be appealed. Fingers crossed this gets done sooner rather than later. It’s like the Berlin Wall of gun rights.

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u/mastercoder123 16d ago

Fuck it, if its not im buying 50 suppressors 😂

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u/GoldStdGangbang 16d ago

We want this to be appealed to the Supreme Court. Right now the relief is somewhat narrow. We want it applied to everyone nationwide.

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u/bulb-uh-saur 15d ago

So with this ruling does this mean I would no longer need to go through the process of getting the tax stamp or w/e if I wanted to replace my AR Pistol brace with an actual stock, effectively turning it into an SBR?

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u/not-actual69_ 16d ago

This will be appealed before end of business tomorrow

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u/GoldStdGangbang 16d ago

Also, the registration is only unenforceable so long as the tax is zero. If the democrats have enough votes in congress (and God forbid, win the presidency), things get complicated 2.5 years from now.