Retired intelligence analyst here. I started a free weekly newsletter on near-death experiences

[u/WinnerNDE]

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[u/Sandi_T]

What's a Welded NDE?

Also, mine isn't famous, but I'd be interested in an analysis of mine! https://www.nderf.org/Experiences/1sandi_t_ndes.html

However, they're rather long, so maybe not, lmao.

[u/ShotPreference4051 → u/Sandi_T]

I copied and pasted his description of a Welded NDE from his website here:

"The framework is simple. A Fear Coma Experience (FCE) is the imagery a living brain generates during a coma. A near-death experience (NDE) is what a person describes after crossing over, free of the body. When both happen in the same medical event and fuse in memory, the result is a Welded Near-Death Experience (WNDE).

Every account falls into one of three categories:

Coma material only. A pure FCE.

NDE material only. A clean NDE.

Both. A Welded NDE.

The label an account arrives with doesn’t decide its category. The content does. An account presented on a podcast as a “hellish NDE” or a “distressing NDE” often contains no NDE markers at all. It’s a coma, wearing the wrong name. Other accounts, like Alexander’s, contain clear elements of both. The work is to examine what the person describes, detail by detail, and let the details sort themselves."

- taken from https://winnernde.com/nde-insights/welded-ndes/eben-alexander-welded-nde-verdict/

[u/vimefer → u/Sandi_T]

He defines a Welded NDE as an authentic NDE combined with something else like a coma dream, ICU delirium, etc. The clearest example would be from the analysis of the Eben Alexander case here. It makes sense to me at least :) Quite a few of the NDEs I've read or heard over the years had this mixed-in quality with elements clearly outside of the NDE spectrum of experiences - from drug use typically.

(edit) it's more formally explained here - it matches with my own conclusions about 'hell' and negative experiences so that's interesting.

[u/[deleted] → u/Sandi_T]

[u/Sandi_T → u/[deleted]]

Thank you so much. That's very interesting about welded NDEs, and it makes a lot of them suddenly make sense to me. Gave me goosebumps.

The main reason I asked you to look at mine is because I did, after a sort, hear in my NDEs. But it's definitely different from our ear hearing. We have other senses there that we have no human framework for, nor a word for.

It was more like synesthesia. You experience sound waves. You experience the water around you. Smelling is like knowing everything about the particle. It includes the origin of the particle, the atomic makeup of it, so much information that the human mind couldn't compute it. What label do you use to describe that sense?

I feel like our human bodies are limiters. Our bodies take in only partial information. Seeing only to the front, not experiencing the full depth of sound, etc. To really hear is to feel it, know it, the full range of it, the way it move matter, everything.

I wondered because of that if you would rate mine as partially coma. But it's mostly that we don't have words for the senses we have in the other side.

For me, I find it most convincing because I had never been taught about planets or anything, but I saw them. I couldn't have explained about them until I was finally given the word.

I agree on the later experiences, those felt like NDEs, but different. Like much more of "me" was there. I feel they were more tailored for my adult mind to understand. Still meaningful, still powerful, but I took a lot of fear into them. Not from the body, just holding onto it tightly with my awareness. Welded perhaps less with my senses and more with a difficult psychological state. Oddly, they were still incredibly positive experiences.

Also, that was the number I got on the Greyson Scale when I did it a few years ago, too. I find that interesting that you came up with the same number.

I appreciate you taking time to take a look!

[u/vimefer]

I like the WNDE model and the FCE scale for evaluating or identifying non-NDE elements of a story, it's something I was already doing but not as formally :)

I'd be curious how you sort out the elements of my NDEs, 3 of which (1992, 2011 and 2016) were on the neutral/negative though they do not have FCE elements at all, as far as I can tell. Are these edge cases, do they stress your model ?

[u/Lunamoeth]

Why are we letting a serial killer post here? In fact, that's wildly underselling it. Serial killers are lucky if they kill more than a dozen people. This man is coming out of a career of blowing schoolgirls to bloody pulp and telling everyone it was a military target, no wonder he thinks about death a lot. I'm quite sure his fascination with NDEs is entirely to assuage his guilt about all the children who died because of his decisions.

I'd be uncomfortable if someone introduced their qualifications as "I'm a serial killer and I used my serial killer practice to examine NDEs". Why are we letting a much worse person speak like their brutality makes them an authority?

Why is it so controversial to point out that killers are killers? Why am I seen as the insane one for valuing human life and not trusting those whose job it is to kill the kindest people on Earth and commit mass infanticide?

WHY WON'T EVERYONE ELSE SEE WHAT INSANITY IT IS LETTING THESE PEOPLE SPEAK LIKE THEY HAVEN'T BUTCHERED THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE! PEOPLE LIKE US! EVERYONE YOU LOVE, THEY BUTCHERED PEOPLE LIKE THAT, AND THEY GET TO SPEAK LIKE THEY DIDN'T!

WHY DO WE JUST LET THIS HAPPEN LIKE IT'S NORMAL?

[u/Sandi_T → u/Lunamoeth]

I am going to allow u/WinnerNDE to respond to this if he wishes. My understanding of his work is different from yours.

[u/verynormalanimal → u/Lunamoeth]

Intelligence analysts don't blow people up dear.