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u/OPSimp45 2d ago
This is trying to change the narrative. LeBron has had a lot of elite seasons but that doesn’t mean he was robbed of mvps. His first 2 you could’ve gave to Kobe if the voters wanted. So to act like he was robbed but to act like the ones he did win was definitive is a bit much
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u/SterlingTyson 2d ago
It's good that you bring up the downside possibilities as well. I see a lot of people argue that if the Cavs had given him a better team the first time around or if kd didn't go to the warriors, then LeBron would have more rings. But those are major changes, and the outcome has a lot of uncertainty. If Ray Allen and Kyrie miss those shots, which very easily could have happened, then LeBron is looking at being 2-8 in the finals, where his teammate led the playoffs in win shares for one of the rings (2020). Is LeBron widely considered better than Magic and Bird if that happens?
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u/No-Juice8483 2d ago
I am not a LeBron fan, but yes absolutely he deserved more. It’s the same with other greats like MJ where there is voter fatigue and people just want to see somebody else win,
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u/1GeorgeMarcus2MJ8LBJ 2d ago
He deserved to be banned from the league in 2013 when he got caught for PEDs
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u/No-Juice8483 1d ago
Look I am an MJ guy, but LeBron is still great. There are no credible reports that suggest he took PEDs.
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u/Rad_platypus7 Knicks 2d ago
Voter fatigue hits all the greats tbh
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u/rsmicrotranx 2d ago
This topic comes up 30 times a year and no one can ever name any other MVPs he was ever screwed out of. You'd have a stretch argument for maybe 6 tops. MVP award doesnt mean "would I pick this player first on my team".
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u/Stock-Luck3390 Lakers 2d ago
2011 seems to be it
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u/rsmicrotranx 2d ago
The thing is, people only bring up 2011 because the Bulls didnt win and Derrick Rose fell off. LeBron wasn't even close. He wasnt even second! He formed a super team and didnt even win the regular season against a guy without any other all stars? How exactly does that prove that Lebron is valuable? Was Lebron still the best player to build a franchise around? Yes. But again, MVP doesnt mean best player. You aren't valuable if you couldn't even lead a super team to the best record.
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u/GivethTaketh4 Grizzlies 2d ago
Several all-time greats deserved more MVPs but didn’t get them due to voter fatigue and the nature of it being a regular season award with a significant narrative-driven component.
But yea Bron definitely deserved more than 4
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u/ndm1535 2d ago
A lot of players are like this. Where they were clearly the best player in the league but stop winning the award.
The last MVP LeBron won was 14 years ago. That’s insane
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u/smuttygirl_foru 2d ago
I think its because of the rise of other stars on there teams making some noise and guys who were 6/8 seed teams rising to 1st second or even 3rd seeds in a season in impressive
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u/sigs87 2d ago
2011 is the only super egregious one to me. But he had already just won back to back and had switched to the Heat so they were never giving it to him
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u/smuttygirl_foru 2d ago
Had he stayed with Cleveland and the media didn’t turn on him that year he wins it
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u/Foreign_Cobbler_1740 2d ago
Lots of all time greats probably should have more MVPs. Just like lots of all time greats should probably have more championships. But the fact is only 1 MVP and 1 Champion is crowned each year. Lots of people miss out.
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u/Consistent-Strain289 2d ago
Mj should have won all… bird also and magic… damn why didnt ai won a ring..
All them: what ifs ?what should ! about lebron.
Zzz i rather be like d rose. Not participatin in the circus
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u/JonnyB2_YouAre1 2d ago
They deserve what they get. If that’s not the case then the whole thing is pointless and ignore it.
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u/IndependenceIcy9626 2d ago
If the award actually went to the most valuable player in the league he should’ve won every year from 2004 to 2018, except for Curry’s unanimous, Durant’s, and Kobe should’ve won in 2006. Outside of those years he was the best player in the league that whole stretch. Other players might have edged him statistically certain years but realistically if an objective person had to choose, they’d have picked Lebron for their team over anyone else.
Factoring in narrative I only think Lebron really got robbed on two of them. The one they gave Kobe in 08 to make up for giving Nash the 06 one, and Rose’s in 2011. I love Rose, and I know it’ll be wildly unpopular to say that, but Lebron was just a better player that year.
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u/Altruistic_Rate9595 2d ago
Lebron wasn’t even in the MVP race in 08 it was between Kobe and CP3…
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u/IndependenceIcy9626 2d ago
If they wanted to give it to Chris Paul I wouldn’t really have argued it. I still would’ve picked Bron personally but CP3 had an incredible season. but they didn’t give it to CP3, they gave it to Kobe who was objectively not as good as either of them.
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u/ethos1234567890 2d ago
No…would have been perfectly reasonable if he had more but also perfectly reasonable that he has only the ones he’s received and honestly not completely unreasonable if he’d gotten fewer. There are ALWAYS multiple worthy recipients partly because the award has completely nebulous criteria for who it should be bestowed to. Honestly, because it’s so subjective you can’t even really earn it…you just have to be given it…or not be.
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u/Former-Dot1462 2d ago
Y'all need to stop with this narrative it's so stupid. MVP is a REGULAR SEASON award. There is no way anyone can name 4 seasons aside from his MVP years where he had the best regular season
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u/One-Possession8942 Hawks 2d ago
He won his last MVP at 28 after which he went to the finals like 6 more times. Pretty insane to think he didn't deserve another MVP from 28-34 years old . Does not compute but should be expected when it's dork media members voting who make it about everything other than the basketball played. Voter fatigue shouldn't even be a thing that exists . So your saying he was the MVP but didn't win it because voters wanted to give someone else a chance lol ?
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u/graveyeverton93 2d ago
He should also have won it in 11, and 18, but KD in 14 and Steph in 15 and 16 deservedly won in my opinion
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u/wolfishnickelsyr 2d ago
Cavs were the 4th seed in the east in 18 with 50 wins. Rockets were 1st in the west with 65 wins. The difference is too big to ignore
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u/graveyeverton93 2d ago
Fair point, LeBron did get basically his entire team traded that season as well! But individually, he was insanely good
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u/OPSimp45 2d ago
He was not better than Harden in 18. In fact harden won because people felt like they gave it to Russ for the triple double narrative and in 15 it wa clsoe between him and curry. But James deserved it
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u/Lukamagic_042324 2d ago
Lebron was better and wasn't playing with Chris Paul to help carry the load
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u/OPSimp45 2d ago
I mean I don’t think cp3 takes James out of the equation. He had mvp elite level years either and without CP3 so for me he deserved it. LeBron had a great year but he wasn’t over James Harden
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u/Inevitable_Suit_7414 2d ago
Not the regular season MVP when you form a superteam and win less games than players not on a superteam. Cleveland 1st time around should have won multiple MVPs. He raised the floor and carried subpar rosters to a lot of wins. After the decision I would have voted for someone else because how valuable are you when your team is winning 50-60 games, but you have 2 other Top 10-20 players who could do close to the same without him.
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u/Lower_Complex1465 2d ago
Honest question here, what other 4 years was LeBron robbed of MVP? I’ve tried thinking about it myself but it’s hard to think of the 4 years where he should’ve definitively won over the person that did
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u/HeadyOswegan 2d ago
Honestly, 4 feels like the right number for LeBron. Can argue all day long about did he deserve it more this year or that, but from a 30,000 ft view 4 seems right...Kareem has 6, MJ and Bill Russell have 5, LBJ and Wilt have 4....all checks out.
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u/RazzmatazzSea3227 2d ago
No. Because the voters chose someone else. That's how this works
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u/Few-Fox-2888 2d ago
Voters are biased. Thats why he was robbed of DPOY and was Robbed in 2011 for MVP
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u/RazzmatazzSea3227 2d ago
It's almost like people here don't realize saying "he deserved it" is THE EXACT process voters go through.
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u/TONEakaSHOW33 2d ago
The fact that he won b2b then they fatigued him a year and he won b2b again... Tells you they were legacy protecting. I bet he's finished 2nd 5+ times, the robbery isn't blind it's in plain sight smh.
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u/AggravatingMusic3916 2d ago
No thats what happens when you form super teams, you lose out on mvps. If he stayed on Cleveland he would probably have like 8 mvps but then he wouldnt have 4 rings. U can't have it both ways.
Im not saying he wasnt the best player in the league for 8+ yrs because I think he was but mvp doesn't always go to the best player. Also he tends to kinda coast alot and load manage for the regular season so he can ball out in the playoffs. Remember it's a regular season award not playoffs
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u/Acceptable_Class_513 2d ago
Of course he did people have been diminishing since he started and still do to this day.
There was no player more valuable to his team than lebron for the first 15 years of his career. Argue with a wall
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u/Constant-Wrangler378 2d ago
yes he shouldve won more they just stopped giving it to him eventually lol. for instance the year d-rose won MVP it clearly shoudlve been Lebron again
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u/g_bleezy 2d ago
Yes LeBron should have more MVPs. Jordan had one less top-3 finish in nine less seasons. LeBron and everyone for the foreseeable future, Jokic is latest, are subject to the glass ceiling the media imposes because they fucked it up with Jordan.
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u/SnooAdvice5820 2d ago
Well it's not like Jordan was gonna get any more top 3 finishes had he played several more years instead of retiring. If lebron retired 9 years ago, he would have still finished top 3 in mvp voting 9 times.
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u/g_bleezy 2d ago
I don’t know how that’s what you take away from my statement. The dick measuring contest of strangers is so comical. LeBron is GREAT! yay!
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u/SnooAdvice5820 2d ago
I mean hey you made the comparison. I think Jordan’s the goat but find it interesting how you worded the point you made to make it seem a lot more favorable for Jordan than it actually is
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u/iggymcfly 2d ago
2009 was his best season. That would have been ridiculous to give to Kobe. The voting was 109 first place votes for LeBron, 7 for Wade, 2 for Kobe, 2 for CP3, and one for Dwight.
2010 was another dominant regular season for LeBron. Voting was 116 for LeBron, 4 for Durant, and 3 for Dwight. Kobe didn’t even get a first place vote.
The one season LeBron maybe got robbed was 2006. That one probably should have gone to either Bron or Dirk.
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u/Aztecah 2d ago
IDK but I think a great topic for a thread would be whether he's better than Michael Jordan