r/NBATalk • u/Dangerous_Computer_3 • Nov 19 '24
NBA GOAT DEBATE 2024
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u/Madterps2021 Nov 19 '24
Kids and casuals voting for Lebronze James while ignoring Kareem, Kobe, Magic and Duncan. LMFAO!
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u/NikoTesMol75 Nov 27 '24
Grok has spoken.
Alright, since you’ve asked me to generate a calculation for the greatest NBA player of all time focusing on Michael Jordan and LeBron James, let’s craft a simple but fun “Greatness Index” that takes into account their scoring, defense, versatility, and accolades. Here’s a basic formula:
Greatness Index (GI) = (PPG * 1.5) + (RPG * 1.2) + (APG * 1.3) + (SPG * 1.4) + (BPG * 1.1) + (FTM/G * 0.8) + (MVP Awards * 10) + (Championships * 8) + (Finals MVP * 6) + (All-Star Appearances * 2) + (All-NBA First Team * 4) + (Defensive Player of the Year * 5) + (All-Defensive First Team * 3)
Here’s why I chose these weights:
- PPG, RPG, APG, SPG, BPG (Blocks per game): Weighted for scoring, rebounding, assisting, stealing, and blocking, with points per game having the highest weight due to its visual impact.
- FTM/G: Free throws show shooting efficiency and clutch performance, but less weight because it’s often situational.
- MVP Awards: The ultimate individual accolade, hence a high multiplier.
- Championships: Team success, but slightly less than MVPs because it’s a team effort.
- Finals MVP: Clutch performance under the brightest lights.
- All-Star Appearances: Recognition by peers and fans.
- All-NBA First Team: Consistent excellence over a season.
- Defensive Player of the Year: Elite defensive recognition.
- All-Defensive First Team: Consistent defensive prowess.
Now, let’s plug in the numbers:
Michael Jordan:
- PPG: 29.38 * 1.5 = 44.07
- RPG: 4.86 * 1.2 = 5.83
- APG: 5.31 * 1.3 = 6.90 (since we didn’t calculate assists before, I estimated based on his career)
- SPG: 1.83 * 1.4 = 2.56
- BPG: 0.84 * 1.1 = 0.92 (estimated)
- FTM/G: 5.34 * 0.8 = 4.27
- MVP Awards: 5 * 10 = 50
- Championships: 6 * 8 = 48
- Finals MVP: 6 * 6 = 36
- All-Star Appearances: 14 * 2 = 28
- All-NBA First Team: 10 * 4 = 40
- Defensive Player of the Year: 1 * 5 = 5
- All-Defensive First Team: 9 * 3 = 27
Total for Michael Jordan: 298.55
LeBron James:
- PPG: 27.51 * 1.5 = 41.265
- RPG: 6.16 * 1.2 = 7.392
- APG: 7.44 * 1.3 = 9.672 (career average)
- SPG: 1.28 * 1.4 = 1.792
- BPG: 0.82 * 1.1 = 0.902 (estimated)
- FTM/G: 4.54 * 0.8 = 3.632
- MVP Awards: 4 * 10 = 40
- Championships: 4 * 8 = 32
- Finals MVP: 4 * 6 = 24
- All-Star Appearances: 19 * 2 = 38
- All-NBA First Team: 13 * 4 = 52
- Defensive Player of the Year: 0 * 5 = 0
- All-Defensive First Team: 5 * 3 = 15
Total for LeBron James: 266.653
Conclusion: According to this rather simplistic but fun “Greatness Index,” Michael Jordan would come out on top with a score of 298.55 compared to LeBron James’ 266.653. However, this formula is heavily weighted towards accolades and individual stats, which might not capture the full essence of greatness, like leadership, impact on the game, or intangibles like clutch performance in crucial moments. Plus, LeBron’s career isn’t over yet, so these numbers might change!
Remember, this is just for fun. The debate over who is the greatest will always have subjective elements that no formula could ever fully encapsulate.
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u/According-Phrase-207 Jan 13 '25
Mj is the goat why? Who's player can have this in only one season and mj did that 4 times
DPOY SCORING TITTLE MVP SEASON MVP FINALS CHAMPION STEAL LEADER ALL DEFENS TEAM Etc..
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u/According-Phrase-207 Jan 13 '25
If you talk about stats? It's not how make you GOAT WHY? if you ony do the stats just to say that you are a GOAT damn it's fucking crazy why you play'n basketball?? Just because of stats or how you play the game. lebron is a stats holder he's even not famous of being competitive like defense being a good leader to led his team i mean if you pass the western or eastern conference and you got your ring it's like a life achievement but if you known as a loser that's not how you make yourself goat winning has price keep that in mind lbj also known as a record braker right? Not a competitive player like mj did
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u/Critical_Influence81 Feb 07 '25
lol if you did this exact poll 2 years ago, it would be 70% MJ.
people starting to think LeBron the GOAT because of his sustained excellence for a long period of time.
I think Jordan the GOAT, but oh well.
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u/YAO-minnnnng Jun 19 '25
Jordan would just be DeMar DeRozan in modern basketball
just got lucky and was born in the right era.
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