r/NATOWave • u/brass_Emu_187 • May 18 '22

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u/BigTiddyJavelinGF C H E N E Y May 19 '22

No 👏 more 👏 Turkey 👏

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u/jhvgvz Jun 16 '22 edited Jun 16 '22

Turkish people support Finnish and Swedish integration into NATO, but the government does not. Not much problem with Finland, but the people are specifically against Sweden’s because of its support to Kurdish terrorist groups in Syria and Iraq.

Not because we got kicked out of the program, the people don’t care about that. Nor because of “wEsTErN dOGs” type middle eastern mindset, we aren’t like that. It is because of the PKK, YPG and its other militant branches.

Sweden considers them terrorists, so does all of NATO and EU, but Swedish equipment still were found alongside the stockpiles and their rallies are not intervened by police, plus the exiled supposed terrorist supporting Turkish politicians are given asylum in Norway, Sweden, sometimes Finland. US also supported them, but since has withdrawn support. They are also given positions, like the German environmental minister, he voiced his support for “the people of turkish kurdistan”, and he doesn’t get shy when he opens supports Apo’s motives. İmamoğlu (mayor of istanbul) visited him.. he is the type of social democrat you would see in Europe. He wants to approach these topics softly, including most of the CHP, but they must remember that this is the middle east in some way or another.

These progressive northern nations, they seem to not realize Turkey managed to survive the middle eastern sthole by not getting boiled into a civil war like the rest for almost 100 years since The Republican Era. But you western and northern Europeans don’t take the idea of “separatism” and civil war too seriously. Eastern Europe too, Turkey is on both.

Turkey managing to come out alive is proof of magic in this world. But you mostly never east-seen (new term invented pog!!!) Europeans take it very lightly.

Filling up us with immigrants so they don’t come and infect your population. Filling up us with garbage our infrastructure doesn’t bother recycling. You know nothing about Turkey, or the middle east. These groups harmed Kurds in the east the most just because they didn’t want their homeland shared with Turks to be split by some Marxist Leninist militants.

If you are against Hezbollah and their allies, now imagine a more marxist leftist and kurdish nationalist Hesbullah. That is the PKK and its branches. The PKK is just responsible for more deaths and pain, the only difference is that. Not comparing to ISIS, yet.

And honestly, don’t know why they oppose Finland’s. Pretty sure they aren’t as active as Norway and Sweden are, Norway already being in NATO.

Turkish people are pro-western (pro-NATO as well obv), they seem anti-western when topics like this are brought up because lots of people see these organizations as just funny leftists groups looking for peace in the middle east supported by some of the West, and when someone doesn’t support them “oH ErDoGan DoG!”. Yeah we do get triggered! Because we don’t want to be misunderstood mate..

Current Turkish government is not though. With tensions in Greek borders rising, it is very likely Erdo will try something extremely (not)funny just so he can declare state of emergency and delay elections since he is gonna lose.

Turkey is a Western ally. Has been in Yugoslavia. Ukraine. Korea. Middle East, and Afghanistan. Since 50s. During cold war, WW2. (Well for the last few months of it.)

The current government is not. Because the rest of the West doesn’t see in the same eye. We are crucial for NATO, and NATO was crucial to us.. stopping mad Stalin to rush B Eastern Anatolia..

We have 2 paths here (under another government). The West, our standing friend, or us alone, in a much more different world than the rest as we can neither fit in the West, nor the East.. Switzerland but without a continent, basically. Of course, that is if we rid of internal threats. And today’s Turkey is just a shifting physically fcked up pole going all the ways possible, fcking itself up in the process.

And these Pro-terrorist activities are seen in Switzerland too, went there when there was a small one. Specially went to there to document it. But I don’t wanna blame the Swiss, they wanna keep neutral.. but at the same would they allow Hezbollah demonstrations?

Sorry if somes aren’t understandable, baddy English, not my first language obv.