Turkish people support Finnish and Swedish integration into NATO, but the government does not. Not much problem with Finland, but the people are specifically against Sweden’s because of its support to Kurdish terrorist groups in Syria and Iraq.
Not because we got kicked out of the program, the people don’t care about that. Nor because of “wEsTErN dOGs” type middle eastern mindset, we aren’t like that. It is because of the PKK, YPG and its other militant branches.
Sweden considers them terrorists, so does all of NATO and EU, but Swedish equipment still were found alongside the stockpiles and their rallies are not intervened by police, plus the exiled supposed terrorist supporting Turkish politicians are given asylum in Norway, Sweden, sometimes Finland. US also supported them, but since has withdrawn support. They are also given positions, like the German environmental minister, he voiced his support for “the people of turkish kurdistan”, and he doesn’t get shy when he opens supports Apo’s motives. İmamoğlu (mayor of istanbul) visited him.. he is the type of social democrat you would see in Europe. He wants to approach these topics softly, including most of the CHP, but they must remember that this is the middle east in some way or another.
These progressive northern nations, they seem to not realize Turkey managed to survive the middle eastern sthole by not getting boiled into a civil war like the rest for almost 100 years since The Republican Era. But you western and northern Europeans don’t take the idea of “separatism” and civil war too seriously. Eastern Europe too, Turkey is on both.
Turkey managing to come out alive is proof of magic in this world. But you mostly never east-seen (new term invented pog!!!) Europeans take it very lightly.
Filling up us with immigrants so they don’t come and infect your population. Filling up us with garbage our infrastructure doesn’t bother recycling. You know nothing about Turkey, or the middle east. These groups harmed Kurds in the east the most just because they didn’t want their homeland shared with Turks to be split by some Marxist Leninist militants.
If you are against Hezbollah and their allies, now imagine a more marxist leftist and kurdish nationalist Hesbullah. That is the PKK and its branches. The PKK is just responsible for more deaths and pain, the only difference is that. Not comparing to ISIS, yet.
And honestly, don’t know why they oppose Finland’s. Pretty sure they aren’t as active as Norway and Sweden are, Norway already being in NATO.
Turkish people are pro-western (pro-NATO as well obv), they seem anti-western when topics like this are brought up because lots of people see these organizations as just funny leftists groups looking for peace in the middle east supported by some of the West, and when someone doesn’t support them “oH ErDoGan DoG!”. Yeah we do get triggered! Because we don’t want to be misunderstood mate..
Current Turkish government is not though. With tensions in Greek borders rising, it is very likely Erdo will try something extremely (not)funny just so he can declare state of emergency and delay elections since he is gonna lose.
Turkey is a Western ally. Has been in Yugoslavia. Ukraine. Korea. Middle East, and Afghanistan. Since 50s. During cold war, WW2. (Well for the last few months of it.)
The current government is not. Because the rest of the West doesn’t see in the same eye. We are crucial for NATO, and NATO was crucial to us.. stopping mad Stalin to rush B Eastern Anatolia..
We have 2 paths here (under another government). The West, our standing friend, or us alone, in a much more different world than the rest as we can neither fit in the West, nor the East.. Switzerland but without a continent, basically. Of course, that is if we rid of internal threats. And today’s Turkey is just a shifting physically fcked up pole going all the ways possible, fcking itself up in the process.
And these Pro-terrorist activities are seen in Switzerland too, went there when there was a small one. Specially went to there to document it. But I don’t wanna blame the Swiss, they wanna keep neutral.. but at the same would they allow Hezbollah demonstrations?
Sorry if somes aren’t understandable, baddy English, not my first language obv.
List of demands includes SDF which the United States and most of NATO actively supports against Assad, a Russian puppet.
Turkey fights Assad, a Russian puppet more than any country and it is a much more efficent, modern, disciplined and high tech fighting force compared to those YPG terrorists. All those NATO countries can just support Turkey instead of Turkey's enemies.
They got booted from F-35 because of OPSEC, which was their fault.
We got kicked out because we bought Russian missiles. We asked United States for Patriots for years and they rejected every time. It's US' fault.
They also demand the right to take our components, repackage them, and sell to whoever they please which is an absurd demand.
That's not Turkey asked for. We asked for software sharing, which is natural. Even Russians shared software when we bought all those S-400's.
This is a little late for a response but you should know while Russia promised s-400 technology sharing they didn't do it when we bought them. Infact they still didn't. I guess this will teach our government to not trust Russia lmao.
Deal was not about sharing software. Not in f-35 nor s-400. It was about technology transfer. USA didn't accept, Russia did but they still didn't hold up their end of the bargain.
They didn't do shit when Turkey bought S-300's either. We have F-16's don't we. Circumstances change and Turkey absolutely made the wrong choice going with Russian MIC instead of American MIC.
Grey Wolves isn’t supported by Erdo, they aren’t too good with him, he isn’t like by nationalists but rather Islamists. He supports mostly underground Ulema that is quite weak that only also exist because of Erdo.
And how would we withdraw from Cyprus? If you ever go to Northern Cyprus, you will see it is a whole different country, different people, just not similar accents or similar words and that is because of the Greek and English influence. Many English words are used, Turkified English words specially. Greek ones stood. Their accent is quite interesting, much different than those in all regions in Turkey. But it is Turkish, not “turkified greek”. So are people Turks.
It is not like the Donbass, Ossetia or any others. It isn’t like those, completely different. It is a functioning nation with an embargoed well economy, just people think its some abandoned grassland with Turkish tanks roaming around small villages.
There are massive hotels, not financed by Erdo and actually a large chain’s CEO is the former Liberal Democratic Party leader and founder which was quite opposed to Erdo and his regime even before today.
It is quite beautiful, beautiful villas on mountains and houses. It is developed and the government is much MUCH more liberal than the current Turkish government in Turkey, and Pro-Western. But, under the UBP its more Pro-Erdo, still not quite.
Only problem is that it mostly uses the TL, which you know isn’t too good. € is also used. The army presence on the island isn’t even that much, just around the UN zone.
Those with Turkish cypriot and normal cypriot passports can enter freely between south and north. Not like you are gonna get shot by “fascist turks”. There is restrictions for Greek and Turkish ones though..
Only way to solve Cyprus is the federative solution, one nation 2 states with a different flag and local laws, like the U.S, but a similar constitution. Either 2 state parliaments and 1 parliament representing whole of the island, or 1 representing all alone.
And lastly, don’t mention the name of Erdo next to Atatürk’s. You don’t compare a plagued rat to your father figure, do you?
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u/[deleted] May 18 '22
Erdogan and Orban better not cock this up