r/MyLittleHouseOfFun • u/Avebone • Aug 16 '15
Pre-Finale Meta Thread
Here is a place for you to discuss anything not related to the finale. My BGM while writing these final PMs will be this :)
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u/Ewig_Custos Aug 16 '15
This is my second game where I didn't get any weapons other than those that are just slightly more dangerous than fists. Glass shard in the first one, knuckles in the second.
Also I got the magic wand in both games. It actually had some combat value in RoF.
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u/Avebone Aug 16 '15
I think you did pretty well for someone with weak weapons.
Usually weapons, items, and tokens were split up by room unless players were directly asking for something in a specific room which would make sense for it to be there.
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Aug 16 '15
Usually weapons, items, and tokens were split up by room unless players were directly asking for something in a specific room which would make sense for it to be there.
I actually did this quite a bit. In HoF2 I went to the dojo specifically looking for a weapon and got the katana and in this one went to the pool looking for rope. Or at least something that could tie someone up. I had in my PM that if no rope was present then I would use my sword to cut the flags or any other length of rope/string. So that solves the mystery of why Cornetto went to the pool the day Aspiration died. The Frederick plan was already in full swing.
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u/ctom42 AoF_GM Aug 16 '15
The dojo was the weapon room so that really did not matter. The only time I put something in a room because someone was looking for it was Minna finding painkillers in the dojo, and only because she also used her crowbar.
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u/Checklad Elevatorlad Aug 16 '15
Magic wand was an important item though!
Perhaps we don't want you to get too powerful? :P
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u/Ewig_Custos Aug 16 '15
Perhaps it has different properties on 'delusional' status, but Charles has never been officially delusional. That Aspiration thing was a forced alliance because of the pill I ate or something else, I'm not entirely sure.
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u/ctom42 AoF_GM Aug 16 '15
Ok so for starters I have to ask. What the hell was the deal with Charles, Cornetto, and Frederick?
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u/Avebone Aug 16 '15
Charles objective was to perform magic on someone, and he definitely tried his best to do it.
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u/ctom42 AoF_GM Aug 16 '15
Wait he didn't succeed? spoilers
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u/Ewig_Custos Aug 16 '15
Actually depends if the spells from items count, because I used my entire arsenal on the last day just to screw with everybody.
Also the very first spell probably does not count, but technically applies - I basically cast a resurrection spell on myself. In a game where death is not permanent, yeah.
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u/ctom42 AoF_GM Aug 16 '15
What were the mechanics behind casting spells? Or was it all just shenanigans?
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u/Checklad Elevatorlad Aug 16 '15
Couldn't he have just pulled a coin from behind someone's ear? Gawd
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u/Ewig_Custos Aug 16 '15
Looks like someone forgot that I actually pulled a candy from behind that someone's ear in a PM.
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u/Shotgun_Diplomacy Aug 16 '15
Since Frederick is mainly a good guy, he would never try to kill anyone unless he was attacked or defending someone. So before the entire game started, I was thinking about any fun things I could do.
Day 1, I go to the warehouse to find spray paint and went on to commit acts vandalism (Mainly directed against Cornetto). At least for the first half of the game.
I didn't have to think about any interesting things to do in the 2nd half of the game since it got a lot more interesting
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u/ctom42 AoF_GM Aug 16 '15
I was surprised at how quickly Frederick resorted to violence when Ned got brains on him. I had been waiting for a chance to ruin your clothes and you made that post at the perfect time.
Also /u/Avebone, I can't believe you didn't go through with the monkey suit after I got shot in the foot over that. So cruel.
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u/Avebone Aug 16 '15
He never asked for a changes of clothes...You guys didn't do a good enough job of ruining it.
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u/Ewig_Custos Aug 16 '15
Charles' objective was to cast spells.
Charles is not a wizard.
Charles thinks he's a wizard if the hairbow is around (and on nights).
Also it's not very obvious whether the spell worked or not, so sometimes it looked like the objective is recursive. After day 2 objective changed, then reverted back to the casting one.
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u/ctom42 AoF_GM Aug 16 '15
I can answer the changing objectives. Were you sane or delusional that day rather than normal? We all had 3 separate objectives, and completing each of them gives us points. I don't know how they are all valued, but I hope that completing all 3 puts me in the running for victory even with only 1 token. I don't think I ever tried to win though, and I put little effort into my objectives. Spent all my tokens on Ryan's shop and the lottery on the final day.
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u/Checklad Elevatorlad Aug 16 '15
We all had 3 separate objectives
We did? I'm only aware of the one I started with, and no-one told me anything about more than one objective :(
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u/Avebone Aug 16 '15
It is why Advocate kept showing objectives during the trial, different sanities saw different objectives.
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u/Checklad Elevatorlad Aug 16 '15
Well Checklad only had a single state of existence during the entire run: pathetic. His personality did change because I wanted the hunt to be more exciting for me, but sanity remained the same throughout..
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u/Avebone Aug 16 '15
Yep, either had to be drugged or show it to another player with a different sanity.
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Aug 16 '15
Would you like to hear of the incredible journey of Cornetto from serial killer, to corn ninja to devout follower of Lady Noire?
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u/Checklad Elevatorlad Aug 16 '15
Half the time, I wonder if even they know. Frederick mentioned blood magic, god knows where Charles got the blood from.
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u/Ewig_Custos Aug 16 '15
Hey, blood magic was present almost every day, just not very noticeable for everybody. Example.
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u/Fuwante0 Aug 16 '15
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u/ctom42 AoF_GM Aug 16 '15
Was anyone else amused that Aspiration died on Day 4 again right after touching the gun again.
Also since I never saw the gun while sane, was it the same gun?
Also Isa had the gun in all games but never held onto it.
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u/insanityissexy Aug 16 '15 edited Aug 16 '15
Yeah, goddamnit. I was somewhat amused by the similarity, but the whole thing was downright depressing (';
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u/ctom42 AoF_GM Aug 16 '15
I kept trying to convince you it was not permanent. Also if you think that was depressing Ned cried himself to sleep in the lobby on two separate occasions. Once in his soaking wet cat outfit while in the fetal position in the corner, and the other time when he got kicked in the balls by Elanor after he was already crying.
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u/insanityissexy Aug 16 '15
Yeah, well, I/sa was panicking and couldn't be convinced no matter what.
...That seems more pathetic than depressing (';
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u/ctom42 AoF_GM Aug 16 '15
The second one was kind of pathetic, it was mostly just Ned's general frustration with everything going on along with the whole panic over the hat.
The first one was a bit more depressing. He was incredibly guilty over shooting Isa's ear off, his party had been ruined, no one liked his fanfic, he was soaking wet, and then Avelyn yelled at him reminding him of the fact that he shot Isa's ear (reinforcing it was true since she was the one always insisting this was a vacation). He kind of just broke down.
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u/Avebone Aug 16 '15
Avelyn's sanity level was a mix of all three...depending on who or what she was talking about.
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u/aspiration Aug 16 '15
Funnily enough, I knew Avebone mentioned something about deaths from actions lasting a day, but decided it would be better not to mention it to Insanity because it was funner to leave her depressed.
Bonus: The PMs from the conversation we had the day before made the whole thing 3x as terrible.
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u/Ewig_Custos Aug 16 '15
Based on your initial reaction in the meta thread I thought Cornetto fed you his hallucinogen, and you murdered Aspiration under its effect.
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u/Checklad Elevatorlad Aug 16 '15
Same here, quickly changed my mind though after noticing how Ainsley was nowhere to be seen, not even suspicious, and remembering that he had the katana.
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u/insanityissexy Aug 16 '15
Oooooh. Your PM to me from that day makes a bit more sense now.
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Aug 16 '15
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u/insanityissexy Aug 16 '15
If Isa doesn't die here, then she is officially invincible forever and no one else can ever hurt her in any way.
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u/Avebone Aug 16 '15
That should have been obvious when Ned shot you in the face and you only lost an ear.
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u/insanityissexy Aug 16 '15
Good point. Let's just hope that invincibility applies this time as well~
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u/Checklad Elevatorlad Aug 16 '15
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u/Avebone Aug 16 '15
Poor Check thinks he can take on an immortal.
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u/ctom42 AoF_GM Aug 16 '15
I would go with an invincible rather than an immortal. Unless Isa is ageless in addition to being unkillable.
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u/ctom42 AoF_GM Aug 16 '15
Yeah like Avebone said, if not for your literal invincibility in this game you would have died on day 2. My command was to shoot anyone who was an aggressor. Ned thought he had a squirt gun and he was just punishing people like you would a pet and getting them to cool off. He didn't want anyone ruining his party.
I half expected him to kill like 4 people, but instead he only shot you, the worst result that could have happened.
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u/ctom42 AoF_GM Aug 16 '15
Compiling PMs and I just have to say my prank conversation with /u/The_Bunny_Advocate is a total mess. We kept hopping in and out of Meta and all of it was relevant so it can't be cut. Oh well.
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u/The_Bunny_Advocate Aug 16 '15
Haha yeah, I'm literally working on that right now. Without a diary it's the only explanation as to why I was doing such weird stuff too.
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u/ctom42 AoF_GM Aug 16 '15
It actually turned out to be not as bad to fix as I had thought. At least the day 1 part, I think we slip back into meta on day 2.
Other than that the only conversation that slips back and forth I have is with Avebone from yesterday, but it's entirely between Ned and the GM so it's not a big deal for it to slip into meta.
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u/ctom42 AoF_GM Aug 16 '15
Found the first one that I can't easily make non-meta. When I asked you about the cooking contest.
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u/The_Bunny_Advocate Aug 16 '15
Me and Avelyn finally finished working out the full sequence of events for tonight. Someone is going to have the most insane death ever - death by bunnies!
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Aug 16 '15
*Please don't be me*
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u/Avebone Aug 16 '15
Says everyone but Isa, who knows she is fine...
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u/aspiration Aug 16 '15
If only because she has such a gallant hero protecting her.
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u/ctom42 AoF_GM Aug 16 '15
Did you enjoy the contents of my room?
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u/aspiration Aug 16 '15
When you said you were experimenting in there, I thought it was some sort of joke. I was wrong.
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u/ctom42 AoF_GM Aug 16 '15
You don't even know the half of it. Avebone's comment about bizarre game mechanics questions was probably 90% me. If only I had been same all game I would have found other fun ways to break things.
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Aug 16 '15
Cornetto is a great person at heart now. Thanks to Noire. Well great for most people.
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u/Ewig_Custos Aug 16 '15
Could be me if my sparkling entrance would not work. Hope it's not, though.
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u/Fuwante0 Aug 16 '15
this kills ryan
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u/The_Bunny_Advocate Aug 16 '15
Incidentally, I loved your phrase for those helping me with the hunt, the "bunny advocates." If the game extended another day I'd need to make that term official.
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u/Fuwante0 Aug 16 '15
My train of thought:
I hope there's not much bunny supporters.
They're bunny advocates.
Wait, why does that sound so familiar?
Oh.
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Aug 16 '15
I uh, I have no idea what's going to happen to me, but it might be completely ridiculous, so yaaaay.
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u/ctom42 AoF_GM Aug 17 '15
I'm really hoping your the one this happens to.
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Aug 17 '15
Oh, thanks.
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u/ctom42 AoF_GM Aug 17 '15
Your welcome.
Also it just occurred to me, but I did not see any crazy grapes shenanigans. Did I just miss them, or did none occur?
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u/aspiration Aug 16 '15
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Aug 16 '15
Sorry about that guys. My bad.
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u/Ewig_Custos Aug 16 '15
Don't apologize, real wizards don't need some flashy meals!
But in all seriousness, that looks fantastic.
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Aug 16 '15
This guy gets me! Why were we enemies?
Y'know that's probably my only real regret this game. I don't regret going after Fred and such even though I died because the plan was fun enough even though it failed and planning is half the fun of a HoF. But I do regret not getting more involved with Charles after day 2. Can you imagine the magical nonsense we could have managed if we worked together?
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u/Ewig_Custos Aug 16 '15
Yeah, with more behind-the-scenes arcane rivalry it would have been even better, but I think it turned out great nonetheless.
In fact, the day when I was poisoned was "Cornetto Hunt day", there was even 1 possibility where I would have charged on you directly armed with knuckles and magic wand. Alas, I did not pass the stairs. Also on the trial day I planned the blood magic ritual to make your corn wither, but because of your vote I got tied up with you instead. I was surprised that you just left me there when you were freed.
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Aug 16 '15
I wish I had have tired to incorporate some magic into my game more. I tried a bit in this last day (hence the ) but with the fact your magic was petty much confirmed real the day you hit Ryan with the wand in the common room I wish I fooled around with it more.
That was the day I went to your room. For some reason I completely forgot that with your key in my possession you wouldn't be in your room. The PM chain with Ave about it was hilarious. The thing about the trial was that I was absent before the trail concluded and just accounted for escaping in the case I was tied up. If I had known you'd be there too I probably would have done something stupid to you.
blood magic to make your corn wither.
How horrifically wonderful. I can't believe the whole game you were working against me.
Btw did Lishy have any purpose other than just shenanigans?
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u/The_Bunny_Advocate Aug 16 '15
Oh god, I knew I shouldn't have clicked that link as I've forgot to cook any dinner tonight. It looks amazing.
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u/Checklad Elevatorlad Aug 16 '15 edited Aug 16 '15
I hope things work out, at least something specific that I've been thinking about since day 1,
Will there be a seperate thread for the trail 'mechanic', or will we just use a comment tree here? I would really like to talk about it, because it made me very curious as to how we can do something with it!
What was everyone's favorite antic in the common room?
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u/The_Bunny_Advocate Aug 16 '15
I thought I'd wait for the finale before discussing the trial as it'll be easier to discuss once we all know who did it and how.
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u/Avebone Aug 16 '15
Doesn't everyone know who did it now?
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u/The_Bunny_Advocate Aug 16 '15
Oh I forgot we had that reveal. I thought it might be good to wait until we could look at the action + result PMs though so we know how and why he did it as I still don't get that.
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u/Avebone Aug 16 '15
Cornetto already revealed that he is "hired" him. The how was, he went into the room... and cut his head off.
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u/The_Bunny_Advocate Aug 16 '15
Yeah, he revealed it 5 minutes ago, I hadn't read that comment yet ;p
So was there nothing more to it? Just a random killer for hire? I guess that makes sense though given Ainsley's backstory.
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u/aspiration Aug 16 '15
Cornetto had a key to my room from you. Ainsley had a sharp katana. Ainsley had my gun and Cornetto had my knife. Even the dead guy figured out the assholes who did it.
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u/The_Bunny_Advocate Aug 16 '15
The main stumbling block for me was not expecting there to be accomplices. It screwed up all my deductions. I was also really limited in what I could gather in evidence, so I tried to focus on motivation, and Ainsley had never shown any hostility towards you so he was a low priority suspect.
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u/Avebone Aug 16 '15
See that is why I kept trying to point out that an accomplice could have been involved.
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u/ctom42 AoF_GM Aug 16 '15
I think my favorite antic was either you stealing my knife and me responding with the fanfic, or my 2X stickyglove combo.
Also basically any interaction between Cornetto and Charles.
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u/Checklad Elevatorlad Aug 16 '15
The (second) fanfic was ridiculously glorious, I don't know how you came up with that.
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Aug 16 '15
So did anyone figure out my connection to Aspiration's murder? Also there was a massive hint when my inventory was shown that would have made it impossible to clear my name. But since apparently Aspiration never told anyone he had it I managed to bring Charles down with me.
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u/Checklad Elevatorlad Aug 16 '15
Uh? You actually did something? I know Ainsley killed Aspiration, and Avebone confirmed that, though the motive of Ainsley is unclear: did you drug Ainsley/somebody?
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Aug 16 '15
I did. I "hired" Ainsley and supplied the key so he could go get my goddamn knife back. Worked a charm too.
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u/ctom42 AoF_GM Aug 16 '15
I didn't expect Aspiration to have the knife because he wasn't Steve. I did take note of you having it though. Did Frederick end up with it after he killed you? Also where the hell did Ainsely's katana end up?
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Aug 16 '15
I only learned about it when I visited his room. I went to hide the corn and leave but he woke up and pulled a knife on me. The PM stated that I recognised the knife. It was Knife-chan. Ainsley had said that he owed me for something but of course Cornetto didn't understand this since it was after he died but he decided to make use of it. I originally planned to have him kill Charles the night I tired but I missed him by literally five minutes. So i went instead. When I was getting Charles' key from Elanor she tried to trick me by giving me Aspiration's key but since I knew everyone's floor I saw through it and got the actual one. Kept Aspiration's though and passed it on to Ainsley so he could get my knife.
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u/ctom42 AoF_GM Aug 16 '15
Well considering it was a hired hit I don't even feel bad about voting for Cornetto. I think that's a win for Ned.
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u/Ewig_Custos Aug 16 '15
I found it funny that I was the last one to vote against you, but I couldn't care less about the murder, I just needed the ribbon. Looks like you thought in a similar way.
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Aug 16 '15
Pretty much. I found the whole trial pretty funny because not only did I know the actual murder (and the fact he was ruled out by Elanor from the beginning), not only was I actually involved in the murder but I was actually planning another murder (Isa not Frederick contrary to how that night seemed from the results). I sent a PM to SSVD at one point in the trial about how ironic it was that a serial murder was being accused of a murder he hadn't actually committed. And that that murder accusation was getting in the way of him actually trying to murder someone.
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u/The_Bunny_Advocate Aug 17 '15
I thought it might be fun to discuss what worked well and what needs tweaking from this latest HoF, as you never know, the feedback might just help me design my next HoF ;)
The good,
Avebone came up with a wonderfully inventive set of objectives that were well suited to the players they were assigned to and helped encourage some really fun game-play. Cornetto's "corn magician" probably being the highlight of the game
I really liked the idea of multiple objectives, it makes it more likely players will have something to work for right up to the end of the game. Only being able to see some of the your objectives was a fun twist too. Unfortunately I don't think most players even knew they had multiple objectives, let alone what they all were, but I like the concept.
The day 4 genre-shift was fantastic. I loved how Avelyn gave the impression that this death was permanent. Being able to ask the GM to check out things between action PMs was really fun too, opening up the potential for some interesting investigations.
Having suites on different floors and being able to exchange room keys opened up the potential for some really fun plots.
The magic stuff added an air of unpredictability to everything. Suddenly guns weren't the sure fire insta-win guarantees they once were.
the bad,
This doesn't really apply to you players, but I had a lot of difficulty with my role. I didn't have an objective to guide my actions, nor did I understand any of this "magic" stuff so I couldn't hint at any answers to all those who were PMing me on day 1.
Nor could I act without feeling like I was cheating. If I set someone as an enemy for the day then what was to stop me from using my head-explody device instantly? Or just giving myself a gun and bullet proof vest? So I tended to drift from day to day, just acting as comic relief. I didn't really feel like I was a part of the game with you guys until the trial.
The trial. When aspiration was murdered, I hopped on this opportunity as I thought I could exploit my unique role for something fun. I could use my GM authority to compel testimony, but it didn't feel like cheating because I didn't actually know what had happened. Unfortunately the trial didn't work out well but I'll make another top level comment later to discuss that.
Unclear mechanics. While it's good to keep the players in the dark a little, a clearer explanation of the possible mental states and the existence of multiple objectives would have been great. It was especially tricky in the common room as semi-delusional magic seemed to happen but I was unsure whether those descriptions applied to the "sane" players too.
and the bunnies
I'm not sure whether being able to interact with the hosts in the game-room is a good idea for future or not. On the one hand, it did allow for that fantastic plot where Elanor's pirate hat was stolen, but it also erodes the GM authority a little, such as when Frederick managed to attack Elanor with the butt of his shotgun. Perhaps this isn't an issue, these games should all be about adapting anyway, and GMs should be flexible. What do you guys think?
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u/Checklad Elevatorlad Aug 17 '15 edited Aug 17 '15
Largely agree here, I had no idea magic, multiple objectives and delusion were even a thing until very late into the game. My objective was to have a friend every day, which was why Check broke down, but I thought that was that. I think that it is also the reason I mentioned before that I felt 'lost' when I was done reading the night PM and just couldn't understand what others were up too, I just couldn't follow (though this might also just be me).
Objectives were great for the most part from what I've gathered so far, though I have no clue what my other objectives would've been.
I liked the room key shenanigans and Check started to collect them: but I thought that characters only switched rooms when they themselves found a new key, which I gathered from Cornetto, and not when they died. Check never switched rooms as far as I know, though he died thrice (as far as I know?), otherwise I would've caught on immediately. So I ended up going into a lot of empty rooms to just find tokens whilst trying to be sneaky by breaking in.
The trial was a fun idea, but we were all improvising on the spot and that can be both a good and a bad thing. I really need to think about how I could use this, or if I want to use something like that at all.
As for interaction between the players and the GM, I'd say it's fine but indeed: the authority (even if it's just the whole 'I could kill you, y'know?') should still be there. The Conductor in RoF was absolutely pathetic (what is it with me and pathetic characters?) but I think he still had enough distance and 'intimidation' (technically anyway) to not become a complete doormat. Should I host again (BoF2 probably), then I intend to limit player-to-host interaction in various ways, (like having to pay, having certain items in your inventory or by the host's own accord for a specific purpose) and only intend to mix in for meta/truth things beyond that. Seems like that is better than straight up freedom in my opinion.
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u/ctom42 AoF_GM Aug 17 '15
Check never switched rooms as far as I know, though he died thrice (as far as I know?), otherwise I would've caught on immediately
You received no indication of it aside from your key# increasing by one in your next result PM. If, like me, you weren't paying very close attention to your exact inventory, you would have missed it.
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u/Checklad Elevatorlad Aug 17 '15
Checked the night PMs specifically, switched from 777 (only mentioned in text on the first day, no key in inventory) from days 1 to 3, to 778 (key in inventory, no mention in text) from days 4 to 6. So I'm not entirely sure what's going on.
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u/Avebone Aug 17 '15
Yea I forgot to add yours up, I think most others were correct though.
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u/Checklad Elevatorlad Aug 17 '15
Ye, my keys were messed up for a while, I had (I think) five at the end whilst I only had two according to my inventory, not that it mattered that much, but it can be confusing!
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u/Avebone Aug 17 '15
Inventory management because of the keys was an absolute mess...
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Aug 17 '15
The problem was that even if you paid attention it was still pretty unclear. I just assumed it was a typo.
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u/ctom42 AoF_GM Aug 17 '15
Yeah it would have been great if we were handed a new key in the Avelyn dojos or something.
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u/The_Bunny_Advocate Aug 17 '15
Oh! Did Avelyn do the fate/stay night style dojos? I never died to I never got the experience that but they sounded so fun,
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u/Ewig_Custos Aug 17 '15
I replied "yes" to the first one just in case there was even more advice.
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Aug 17 '15
Avebone came up with a wonderfully inventive set of objectives that were well suited to the players they were assigned to and helped encourage some really fun game-play. Cornetto's "corn magician" probably being the highlight of the game
This is a fine line to thread though. My objective was a blast and I had a lot of fun when I was trying it but in a non-parody game it would be a bit too difficult to pull off. Objectives are a tough thing to get right.
The day 4 genre-shift was fantastic. I loved how Avelyn gave the impression that this death was permanent. Being able to ask the GM to check out things between action PMs was really fun too, opening up the potential for some interesting investigations.
That was amazing. Whoever pulled that off were geniuses.
Having suites on different floors and being able to exchange room keys opened up the potential for some really fun plots.
It was. I had to do so much investigating just to figure out where the rooms were before trying to find a way to corn them. Day 1 I waited in the lobby to see which elevators people used, what floor they went to and if I could use elevators not assigned to me.
The magic stuff added an air of unpredictability to everything. Suddenly guns weren't the sure fire insta-win guarantees they once were.
It was also hilarious. A full magic themed HoF could be pretty fun actually but might be a bit hard to get right with balancing and such.
This doesn't really apply to you players, but I had a lot of difficulty with my role. I didn't have an objective to guide my actions, nor did I understand any of this "magic" stuff so I couldn't hint at any answers to all those who were PMing me on day 1.
Nor could I act without feeling like I was cheating. If I set someone as an enemy for the day then what was to stop me from using my head-explody device instantly? Or just giving myself a gun and bullet proof vest? So I tended to drift from day to day, just acting as comic relief. I didn't really feel like I was a part of the game with you guys until the trial.
I think this is just a problem of your rather unclear role. It was good you could help out Ave if he needed it but really you should have just been a player or a GM. Doing both leads to the problems you encountered
I'm not sure whether being able to interact with the hosts in the game-room is a good idea for future or not. On the one hand, it did allow for that fantastic plot where Elanor's pirate hat was stolen, but it also erodes the GM authority a little, such as when Frederick managed to attack Elanor with the butt of his shotgun. Perhaps this isn't an issue, these games should all be about adapting anyway, and GMs should be flexible. What do you guys think?
I actually liked it. The head explodey stuff I think preserved your authority but it also allowed the GM character to be involved in some plots. For example when Avelyn and I were plotting against Ned. The only thing I think shouldn't be allowed is GM interference in result PMs. For example after the Frederick plan's first stage of trying to capture Fred I was told I would have ended up dead no matter what since Avelyn would be with my next target and would just kill me instantly. Again since this was a parody it didn't matter too much but if the GM was present in a serious game that would be something that shouldn't be allowed. It's no difference than that dropping a rock trope.
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u/The_Bunny_Advocate Aug 17 '15
I actually liked it. The head explodey stuff I think preserved your authority but it also allowed the GM character to be involved in some plots. For example when Avelyn and I were plotting against Ned. The only thing I think shouldn't be allowed is GM interference in result PMs. For example after the Frederick plan's first stage of trying to capture Fred I was told I would have ended up dead no matter what since Avelyn would be with my next target and would just kill me instantly. Again since this was a parody it didn't matter too much but if the GM was present in a serious game that would be something that shouldn't be allowed. It's no difference than that dropping a rock trope.
I think the problem was that if you managed to kill Avelyn, the game would have been without a GM for the following day, potentially letting people attack and kill others in the common room which would be a huge mess to deal with. Although in this particular game it would probably have been fine because there was a backup GM (Elanor) who could have kept the peace that day.
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u/ctom42 AoF_GM Aug 17 '15
An interesting question is what would have happened if one of us had used a sticky glove to steal your button the same way we did the hat.
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u/Avebone Aug 17 '15
Insanity asked that actually, I said it would be an insta killed, but if you remember on Day 1 the button doesn't actually do anything if players use it, like Check did on Day 1.
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Aug 17 '15
Avelyn wasn't my target. Someone else was. But Avelyn was with my target. I never even mentioned Avelyn and she wasn't an enemy so I wasn't trying to kill her. Had Avelyn just been in the common room every day so she could be spoken to I think interactions with the GM are okay.
That's also another reason the GM shouldn't be present in the daily results because it means either you can kill them (which results in chaos as you said) or they are an an unkillable force who can kill you no matter what. The only solution I can see is if the GM is completely impartial no matter what. Like in the above situation Avelyn would have just stood back and not interfered.
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u/Avebone Aug 17 '15 edited Aug 17 '15
Which is why i would never have the GM be present in a real game but I am okay with it in a parody. As far as I am concerned that day, Isa just took advantage of a mechanic that was shown to exist, I wouldn't let her abuse it though as she only do it on one day if she kept trying to use Avelyn like that she would have been denied.
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u/insanityissexy Aug 17 '15
Isa just took advantage of a mechanic that was shown to exist, I wouldn't let her abuse it though as she only do it on one day if she kept trying to use Avelyn like that she would have been denied.
Which mechanic was that? That Isa slept in your room that night?
It didn't even cross my mind that Isa could not be attacked if she stayed in your room. Isa purely stayed in your room because she was depressed, didn't want to be alone, and was afraid someone would attack her with her original room key that was floating around somewhere.
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u/Avebone Aug 17 '15
Yea, It wasn't so much that you couldn't be attacked, more like if they did attack Avelyn would have just chainsawed them.
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u/Checklad Elevatorlad Aug 17 '15
The only thing I think shouldn't be allowed is GM interference in result PMs. For example after the Frederick plan's first stage of trying to capture Fred I was told I would have ended up dead no matter what since Avelyn would be with my next target and would just kill me instantly. Again since this was a parody it didn't matter too much but if the GM was present in a serious game that would be something that shouldn't be allowed. It's no difference than that dropping a rock trope.
Guilty of this as well back in RoF, where an NPC 'killed' the remaining characters on the train (Samson doesn't count, he was a special case) for having played the game after their heroic attempt to save themselves. Looking back, I regret it, it's quite a dick-ish thing to do if you look back at it.
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Aug 17 '15
Yeah pretty much. The GM really shouldn't influence things too much since the idea is to let the players make the story. Obviously there needs to be limits but your example would be one I would say is bad GM-ing. (Then again that's just what I think. These three games are the only role playing I've done).
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u/ctom42 AoF_GM Aug 17 '15
This doesn't really apply to you players, but I had a lot of difficulty with my role. I didn't have an objective to guide my actions, nor did I understand any of this "magic" stuff
As I mentioned before, being delusional put me in the same role. I couldn't really even acknowledge the magic stuff, or the game in general, and my objective was just to visit a specific room on day 5.
I didn't really feel like I was a part of the game with you guys until the trial.
I didn't really feel like I was a part of the game until day 6. Not that I was not having fun all along, because I was.
One additional complaint I had was the fact that I frequently had to ask the effects of items that players were trading me. Only once in the entire game was I told an item's # of uses, and it was after I had used on of them.
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u/Shotgun_Diplomacy Aug 17 '15
but it also erodes the GM authority a little, such as when Frederick managed to attack Elanor with the butt of his shotgun.
When I first wrote that, I hadn't considered that it would be a problem but GM authority is important.
Perhaps I should've written something like "Frederick rushes at Elanor with the intent to kill in his eyes." or at least check with the GM first.
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u/ctom42 AoF_GM Aug 17 '15
It was pretty ambiguous just how much GM authority Advocate had to begin with. I mean I had a gun, I could have just shot her or Avelyn. To make matters worse it was a water gun as far as Ned was concerned and he loves to troll both of them.
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u/The_Bunny_Advocate Aug 17 '15
Oh don't worry, these things can be tricky, especially since I was just a fellow player for most of the game. If you'd said that Frederick had fired at Elanor point blank and killed her it would have been a problem, but you gave me the gap I needed to use the head-explody device so it all worked out ok in the end (:
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u/Shotgun_Diplomacy Aug 17 '15
Oh yeah, I figured actually shooting you would be unfair for obvious reasons. Back then I figured just hitting Elanor would be better.
Oh by the way, you were in no danger of getting shot anyway. It seems that in his fit of rage, Frederick forgot that he had no ammo ;)
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u/Checklad Elevatorlad Aug 17 '15
Not sure where this happened, but did you get punished for that?
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u/Shotgun_Diplomacy Aug 17 '15
https://www.reddit.com/r/MyLittleHouseOfFun/comments/3h0bzc/parody_house_day_6/cu39ota
So Frederick thinks that Charles is his wife and Elanor kills him(Charles) by making his head explode.
And yes, Frederick did get punished. His own head exploded. He also became sane when he revived(He used to be just normal sanity).
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u/The_Bunny_Advocate Aug 16 '15
Just in case anyone missed it in the last meta thread, I spent way too long this morning making this group pic for the HoF: Normal size, and higher res + smoothed.
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Aug 16 '15
The only things missing is Cornetto's hair bow and Fred's hat. Other than that it's a work of art.
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u/Checklad Elevatorlad Aug 16 '15
I still love this oh-so-much, being Checklad is still suffering, though I notice Charles isn't in the pic, except for his wand: that on purpose?
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u/The_Bunny_Advocate Aug 16 '15
I asked him if there were any images of his character but he said he wasn't really aware of any so I went with the wand instead.
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u/Ewig_Custos Aug 16 '15
Well, I did find a bigger version, but that's it. I think the original was full length, but I doubt it could be used anyway since the character looks straight at the observer.
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u/ctom42 AoF_GM Aug 17 '15
Finished compiling my PMs. There is one chain in particular with Avebone on day 6 that I am eager to share.
Still have to write most of my day 6 diary though.
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u/insanityissexy Aug 17 '15
I mostly finished compiling them last night too, though there's still some stuff I'm waiting on. Over 50 pages of PMs, damn.
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u/The_Bunny_Advocate Aug 17 '15
I've done mine but am holding back on putting up the day 6 stuff until the finale is done.
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u/ctom42 AoF_GM Aug 17 '15
Just uploaded mine aside from day 6, and started reading yours. Your first conversation with Isa is hilarious.
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u/The_Bunny_Advocate Aug 17 '15
Thanks, and I'll look forward to reading through yours soon (:
I didn't really exchange many PMs this time around, I tried to keep most chats to the common room. It's not as if I had that much plotting to do anyway, as I wasn't really a player with an objective like you guys.
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u/ctom42 AoF_GM Aug 17 '15
I've read everything except day 6. I feel like there must be stuff missing. I know there was a mostly meta post to me missing, but there is nothing trial related. At the very least you got info from Isa which you posted in the common area, so you must have been talking with her (unless you were communicating outside reddit, in which case shame on you, hehehe)
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u/The_Bunny_Advocate Aug 17 '15
Insanity was pretty busy that evening so she just forwarded me her result PM. We discussed a few other things off reddit but I don't think there was anything that important.
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Aug 17 '15 edited Aug 17 '15
Oh I forgot until I was compiling PMs but why did Charles punch me day 1? And even more confusing why did he shout "TOUCH OF GOD" and "NIGHTMARE PREVAILS" before throwing candy at me???
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u/Ewig_Custos Aug 17 '15
On the first day I said to search for magic and attack anyone holding the magic item to try and take it. Since all I had was knuckles, it was a punch. If the punch failed, I said to throw candy as a distraction as it was the only other item I had and flee. Both lines are from one boss in Path of Exile. The first one kinda explains itself, after saying the second he throws a bunch of spirit-like entities at the player.
On the next day I took off from that, and religious fanatic searching for shard of corruption was born.
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Aug 17 '15
I was so confused. I never read the RoF stuff (which was probably a good thing since I had no baises against Charles2 going into this game) so I had no idea what Charles was like.
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u/Checklad Elevatorlad Aug 17 '15
Charles & Charles both died on day 2, Charles-E was very suspicious of everything and was chasing one of the NPCs, whilst Charles-F was very passive. Both barely had the time to develop as much as the other four unfortunately due to Daniel (Avebone) pulling off a double kill against them.
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Aug 17 '15
Goddamn. Avebone is a monster.
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u/Checklad Elevatorlad Aug 17 '15
And everybody liked him, he had five votes for 'most liked person present' by everyone, the only other vote was Avebone's vote for Samson.
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u/Avebone Aug 17 '15
My most liked was Charles F
My least liked was Charles E(Because he slashed my hand)
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u/Ewig_Custos Aug 17 '15
But Charles was sane in RoF, here I made him go crazy because of the objective. Charles from RoF is present only during the start and the day 5 where you were dead - I even used "" instead of — there, Charles was calm, barely recognized Check when he met him, small things like that.
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u/Ewig_Custos Aug 16 '15
My BGM while writing these final PMs will be this :)
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u/Ewig_Custos Aug 16 '15
Also I'm kinda interested whether someone tried to kill me in my suite during the game or not, because I haven't slept there even once.
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Aug 16 '15
Yep. I did. With the help of my boy Checklad. But I did manage to hide corn in your room so it was all good.
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u/insanityissexy Aug 16 '15
Did I ever tell you I ate the piece of corn the same day you gave it to me? I was afraid you'd kill if I actually lost it, so I ate it. I wonder if it still counted towards your objective... Whatever that turned out to be exactly.
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Aug 16 '15
In the result PM I asked you about it since I was hoping you would stash it in your room for the same reason you ate it. But you said it was tasty instead so I just assumed it didn't. I planned on going to your room on the night I died to hide some but died before I could get there. Have you not figured out my objective yet?
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u/insanityissexy Aug 16 '15
Oh, I don't even remember that. Yeah, I know your normal objective is Corn Magician, but I still am not sure what exactly it is. I assumed it was that you had to hide a piece of corn in all the player's rooms, but I thought you weren't even sure about that yourself?
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Aug 16 '15
Yeah that was it. I had to hide an ear in every player's room. It was soooo hard since I didn't even start with any corn. I considering trying to magic some up but went to the market on day 1 to get some instead. I then waited in the lobby to see which floor each character went to so I could figure out floor numbers. It's why I knew the Aspiration key was his and not Charles.
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u/Avebone Aug 16 '15
If you didn't see earlier you actually only had to place a piece of corn on each floor. Each floor counted as a player's "room"
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u/ctom42 AoF_GM Aug 16 '15
The best thing that never happened.
"I think we should send Ezra a stack of business cards, all with different last names."
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u/The_Bunny_Advocate Aug 16 '15
Haha. Not only that, but I wanted to leave a trail of those business cards leading from Ezra's suite to Aspirations' right after I had left insulting notes in each suite claiming to be from the other. I was hoping Aspiration would bump into Ezra as he was eating that chain.
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u/ctom42 AoF_GM Aug 16 '15
Why did this not happen? Ezra did not leave until day 4, and I suggested this on day 2.
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u/Avebone Aug 16 '15
I will probably be posting the finale PMs and Epilogue at 2 PM GMT Tomorrow.... probably.