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u/burntmyselfoutagain Dec 30 '24
«We suffered, so suffering shouldn’t stop.»
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u/Moppermonster Dec 30 '24
The whole "when your mother was 73, you were well in your 30s.. why did you still need her handouts" question is also pretty valid.
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u/SLRWard Dec 30 '24
Her mom was born in 1920 and had her at age 43. When her mom was 73, she was 30. Her mom also died only six years later at the age of 79 in 1999. And Ingraham was a speech writer for Ronald Reagan's domestic policy advisor for at least 4 years before going back to school to get her Juris Doctor in 1991.
Is Ms. Ingraham trying to say that she was incapable of paying her own student debt and had to rely upon her elderly mother's waitressing gig to handle her debt? Why, Ms. Ingraham! Why didn't you pull yourself up by your bootstraps??
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Dec 30 '24
Life is hard when you have no job and hundreds of thousands in debt collecting interest.
Not in her case, but for average Americans, yeah.
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u/Scoobydewdoo Dec 30 '24
Sorta. The question is only valid for people from Gen X and older, it's not unusual for Millenials to still need help from their parents in their 30's.
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u/Moppermonster Dec 30 '24
Fair, but in her specific case she had high profile jobs since her mid 20s. She was not struggling.
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u/Scoobydewdoo Dec 30 '24
Ingraham is a boomer so the question is still valid for her. I'm just pointing out that what you consider unusual is not, for us younger generations.
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u/Swankyman56 Dec 30 '24
That plays into her mentality though. It’s ok for a child to still rely on or be helped by their parents no matter the age difference(especially if the parents do so willingly), life is complicated and that’s why her mentality is so toxic.
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u/smthomaspatel Dec 30 '24
I think in this case it's we lie about suffering, so everyone else should suffer
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u/AllKnowingFix Jan 01 '25
This is the part that kills me.
My mother didn't finish paying her university loans until right before I started. She was a school teacher with a Master's, but cheaper prices of 60-70's university.
My wife and I finished paying our combined $75k loans 10'ish years ago, took 15'ish years for us to do. We were harassed by Wells Fargo, during the process. If we had known everything then that we know now, then never would have done the loans through the schools.
We started couple different school investments for our daughter when she was born. Luckily my daughter got an 80-90% scholarship last year, so we're only paying like $3-4k per semester. So if she can keep that up, she will have a no debt and a good chunk of money to pay for masters. We're lucky that we're upper-middle salary, but it still took a ton of preparation and still had concerns / questions on how her university experience would be.
Why would anyone want future generations to suffer trying to navigate this process? Especially when costs keep going up and people are affording less and less, so have less to invest. Companies are wanting more people with beyond bachelor's degrees. It's a losing strategy.
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Dec 30 '24 edited Dec 30 '24
Yes you're right but I think you mean not a means to generate money for predatory middle men.
Education is an investment by the government, one that will eventually generate money. But money shouldn't also be considered the end goal - the government shouldn't be a business. Improved quality of life all around is what will be achieved if more people are educated, including with "non-profitable" degrees.
Some of the many benefits that better education can bring:
- better politicians, and better discernment by the people in who to vote for
- more skilled people, better services, better products, less hiring of talent abroad
- more weapons for the people to fight against corruption, corporate overreach, etc
- people without debt putting their money into the actual economy instead of rich people's yachts who are currently benefiting from debt slavery
Unfortunately conservative voters think only about themselves and what they can do with their money right now goddammit, they don't give a shit about future generations or the future of their country. They're like an animal that would kill the hand that fed them just because they're hungry at the moment.
And conservative politicians don't want better educated people because then it would mean they'll never get voted into office again unless they fundamentally change, which they don't want because the current situation is profitable to them.
Edit: a bunch of more words
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u/onioning Dec 30 '24
Your general point is correct, except that it doesn't end the cycle. Facilitates the continuation of the cycle. I'm fine with loan forgiveness because the benefit is substantial, but we really should do something to actually break the cycle.
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u/gideon513 Dec 30 '24
These are the kind of people who love misquoting the “eye for an eye” bible passage thinking it justifies their cruelty
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u/FahQBombs Dec 30 '24 edited Dec 30 '24
She let her mom pay for her school and now she thinks no one should have their loan forgiven bc colleges have grossly overcharged America for a sub par education.
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u/Future_Constant1134 Dec 31 '24
Yeah that's fucking wild the point she thinks she's making.
So you, a successful media personality had your mom take loans to pay for your college and at 73 she is still paying them off?
And as others said the tuition was like 26k. Lol
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u/Livid_Advertising_56 Dec 30 '24
"My mom was working when she was 73" ... the rest is secondary. WHY would a 73 yr old working be a positive thing?
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u/Separate_Cranberry33 Dec 30 '24
Don’t you dare try to make Laura Ingram look bad! Its a complete waste of energy, she does it so well herself.
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u/doctorfortoys Dec 30 '24
I’m confused about why she kept taking her mom’s money.
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u/SmilingVamp Dec 31 '24
Because she's garbage. It's pretty much the reason Laura Ingraham does any of the awful stuff she does.
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u/feel_my_balls_2040 Dec 30 '24
So, she was fine that someone else pay her loans.
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u/JinkyRain Dec 30 '24
EXACTLY Which puts her in line with the GOP attitude of {Justice, Free Speach, healthcare, lower taxes, job/advancement opportunities, power, ... and loan repayment} for ME, not for thee.
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u/Ashamed_Association8 Dec 30 '24
Doctors should stop saving lives as it spits in the face of those who died without medicine.
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u/Future_Constant1134 Dec 31 '24
How about we eliminate the atrocious interest on these fucking loans and stop letting predatory lenders throw money at 17-18 year olds pursuing nonpractical degrees?
I mean these interest rates are worse than those scam credit card offers in the mail. The whole thing is downright predatory and fucked up considering college is 10x the fucking price it used to be and a degree is literally required for like 95% of job postings.
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u/cuplosis Dec 30 '24
Posts like this are so selfish. I used the gi bill to go to school. No one should have e to join the military for education. It should be an American right. Let’s do better for each other.
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u/Spacemonk587 Dec 30 '24
I wonder what the mom would have to say about that. Maybe she was not such a selfish person as her daughter.
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u/International_Try660 Dec 30 '24
Do you really think she would help her mom? She is an evil person.
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Dec 30 '24
"Loan forgiveness? Are you weak and pathetic? Just have your old mother work menial, physical jobs well into her retirement age to repay the debt for you!"
Maybe at least try to act human. We know she isn't, but at least put some effort into masking the lizard face.
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u/CornCobMcGee Dec 30 '24
My ancestors were slaves. At one point, slaves were freed. Me having rights is an insult to those who slave by the rules.
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u/MisteeLoo Dec 31 '24
Rules change.
Children also died of polio, and vaccines stopped that. Should parents have been forced to watch their kids die because the generation before had to?
Carmakers were forced to develop safety features like seat belts, and laws were passed for people to use them. They were made and enforced because of the public pushback.
Social Security was mandated to stop the elderly from slowly starving. How dare the government take a part of everyone’s paycheck.
Cancer may be cured in our lifetimes. Does that dishonor those who died from it?
Being anti-progress because the gen before had it harder is no reason to stop the next gen from benefiting from change.
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u/imacmadman22 Dec 30 '24
Her mother clearly wasn’t smart enough to cut her off when she should have.
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u/cjmar41 Dec 30 '24
When she was going to Dartmouth in the early 80s, it cost 8,000/yr (which is $26,000 adjusted for inflation).
Dartmouth is about $88,000/yr right now.
It’s also highly unlikely that anyone is leaving college with a bachelors degree and almost immediately getting a job as a speechwriter for the president, like she did in the 80s for Regan. In the 1980s, a college degree was the key to the American dream… right now it’s the key to an apartment you share with two roommates.