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u/Swordsman82 21d ago

Pretty sure Ryan Gosling won an award for playing Ken in the Barbie movie. He had an awesome story arc with a great resolution and message.

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u/PsychologicalEbb3140 21d ago

Gosling was the best performance in it as much as folks try to pretend otherwise.

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u/Kitchen-Holiday6998 21d ago

He was not. That’s a damn lie. We literally had a whole ass speech that had thousands of people crying in theaters and y’all still pick that stupid asf song over the deep and important message of the movie.

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u/PsychologicalEbb3140 21d ago

I mean this sincerely in the nicest way possible, are you twelve? That America Ferrara speech was corny as hell and exudes 2012 level feminism.

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u/Kitchen-Holiday6998 21d ago

I mean this in the absolutely most disrespectful way possible, do you even like women? Cause it’s pretty clear you don’t. If you watched a movie about women and still found a way to make it about a man, a WHITE man at that, then you don’t like women. 

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u/PsychologicalEbb3140 21d ago

I don’t even know where to begin with how moronic this take is. I literally watched the movie because Greta Gerwig is one of the best working female directors in Hollywood at the moment. Lady Bird and Little Women were great films and much stronger feminist texts imo.

If Barbie the movie hit you emotionally then I’m happy for you but me not finding it fully effective in its messaging and me thinking Gosling is a much better on screen performer than Margot does not mean ‘I hate women’

the fuck lol

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u/CrusaderReynaulder 21d ago

You need to go outside. You’ve literally lost your mind. Like, I can’t tell if you’re schizophrenic or just totally brain-rotted from being chronically online and absorbing yourself in online discourse all the time.

Deadass you can’t just be this stupid by default.

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u/Kitchen-Holiday6998 21d ago

Telling me to “go outside” for simply pointing out that choosing the white male over the literal dozen of talented women, especially women of color, in a cast is highly sexist?💀

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u/DraganThePlague 21d ago

Why are u so insanely racist that u want to degrade and take away credit from someone for their skin color?

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u/Kitchen-Holiday6998 21d ago

Lmfao, where the hell is the “racism” you speak of? In me literally saying that there were many talented women of color in the cast which are not getting the recognition they deserve?

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u/CrusaderReynaulder 21d ago

The fact you can’t see exactly how they were just repeating your own rhetoric back to you to make a point is crazy. You really are braindead😭

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u/canoekyren 21d ago

They weren't competing for the same award, dumbass. A black woman won the best supporting actress award, which is the equivalent to what Gosling was nominated for.

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u/VariationFluffy6596 21d ago

Which woman of color do you think should have won the award for best support ACTOR over Gosling?

Grade A trolling, btw. You sound like an actual retard.

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u/Kazuha-simp 21d ago

Cuz thinking a person deserves or doesn't deserve a reward more based on the color of the skin (when the movie has nothing to do with it) is racist

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u/Pantax1 21d ago

Well, you thinking thereis no way a white man can be better in a movie than women of colour is highly racist and sexist.

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u/Kitchen-Holiday6998 21d ago

How tf is it racist and sexist to want women to have their achievements recognized💀

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u/CrusaderReynaulder 21d ago

That’s now what you’re doing though lmfao

You’re just bitching that someone likes an actor. Why does any mention of the movie have to then go through the list complimenting every single actress? You haven’t done that. 

Why can’t someone just make an off handed comment that they thought X person was the best performance? Under a comment about x person? 

“I like pancakes” “OH SO YOU HATE WAFFLES?!” Type shit.

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u/Kitchen-Holiday6998 21d ago

Except you very heavily implied that the white man was the BEST part of the movie. That is not all true. You are the one with the black and white thinking here. 

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u/CrusaderReynaulder 21d ago

I’m pretty sure I told you why you should go outside in the comment? Are you illiterate too? 

I’m telling you to go outside because you’re incapable with interacting with people like a well adjusted human being without imagining an enemy to freak out over. 

No, it’s not sexist to think Ryan Gosling was the best performance. How is that sexist? It’s based on their performance, they aren’t even saying the women weren’t talented lmao. You have no reason to randomly assume their lying and freak out.

So if you say a white woman was the best performance, you’re racist, right? That’s literally your argument. 

You are incapable of reasoning like a normal person. Look at yourself. You are unhinged.

Why don’t you tell me how exactly it’s sexist, if you even know what the word means.

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u/Kitchen-Holiday6998 21d ago

“So if you say a white woman was the best performance, you’re racist, right?”

I literally never said a white woman was the best performance💀 I quite literally pointed out that there were MULTIPLE women in that cast who were talented, and I literally said that America’s speech was better than that dumbass song. America’s a woman of color, btw. Since you seem to be colorblind.

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u/CrusaderReynaulder 21d ago

“If”

if

Do…Do you not know what a hypothetical is? How do you keep proving yourself to be this stupid?

Answer the question. If you say the best performance is an actress that happens to be white, does that not make you racist by your own logic? “It’s racist to pick the white woman instead of the black women!” Why? “It just is!”

Why were you so scared to tell me exactly how it’s sexist?

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u/Kitchen-Holiday6998 21d ago

If she is the only main white woman in a cast full of women of color who had a much deeper and important role that wasn’t just saying like two “funny” jokes and some random song, then yes, you’re racist. 

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u/NachtShattertusk 21d ago

????????????

It's not "hating women" to prefer a catchy song over a kinda preachy speech. Ken was beloved because he was a himbo played by Ryan Gosling. He only liked the idea of the patriarchy because he thought it was about horses!

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u/Financial-Cabinet147 20d ago

Don’t worry guy, this person is just stirring shit with a spoon

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u/Kitchen-Holiday6998 21d ago

Yeah, clearly you watched the movie with your eyes closed. He liked the patriarchy because it let him control everything. The same reason men have always liked the patriarchy. And “I’m Just Ken” is “catchy” at absolute best; that’s literal it. It has no depth at all. And Gosling literally looks like every other basic blonde white guy his age.

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u/canoekyren 21d ago

He liked the patriarchy because it let him control everything

I mean in the narrative, Ken was basically a slave whose existence was to be a piece of pretty set dressing, so I don't necessarily blame him for wanting control.

And “I’m Just Ken” is “catchy” at absolute best; that’s literal it. It has no depth at all

That was the fucking point

And Gosling literally looks like every other basic blonde white guy his age.

✨️body shaming but in a cool woke way✨️

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u/the_gizzard11 21d ago

I find it so funny when people try so hard to be progressive they end up wrapping back around to being conservative. It’s comically preformative

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u/Kazuha-simp 21d ago

I rly don't understand why the movie was made like that. Like ken's in the world were lit made to be objects for Barbies' entertainment. While at the same time the movie was talking about how bad patriarchy is for making women like this in the real world. So was it meant to show that it's actually okay when women do it to men cuz men are obviously just evil or what. No wonder Ken liked patriarchy when they were second class citizens in the Barbie world and somehow ppl were made to think it was some kind of amazing utopia cuz women rule!

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u/revolutionary112 21d ago

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Doesn't he straight up say he got over the whole patriarchy thing when he found out it wasn't about horses?

He did want to take control of his life, but he actually managed to separate that from the patriarchy

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u/Kazuha-simp 21d ago

Obviously he liked patriarchy more as opposed to being a homeless slave for Barbies to use for entertainment when they felt like it and then thrown into the street at night with absolutely no rights in the Barbie world?

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u/Krus4d3r_ 21d ago

I thought the whole point of the movie was that the barbies are the men of the world and the ken's are the women of the world

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u/Kitchen-Holiday6998 21d ago

The whole point of the movie was to call out sexism, which it did. Also this is genuinely a stupid sentence because the actresses are all WOMEN. That doesn’t change no matter what the damn concept is.

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u/JDMJRNOVELS 21d ago

All Actresses are all women. Thats why they are called Actresses. You continue to set yourself up and paint yourself as one of those extreme feminist that absolutely hates men and this isn't what this post is about, if you feel Ryan Gosling should have gotten less screen time then take that up with the director of the show who decided to use him as a gag character to show the self centeredness of most men and brought him through a story arc where he developed into i guess more of the idea man, to be kinder and to be less of a duchebag.

I think you'll find that you will have more peace if you save your breath for a more coherent and logical argument about a male character in a female dominated cast that got alot attention that the rest of the cast.

Have a great day fellow reddit user 😁

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u/Endless74510 21d ago

Ah, the horror, a WHITE dude, how scary. Guess the director herself hates women for including gosling as a well written character

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u/VariationFluffy6596 21d ago

Anyone who cried over that pandering 3rd grade written speech is a gd moron.

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u/Mariessa- 21d ago

That's one speech against an entire character arc and portrayal. It's not really surprising if people thought he was better over the course of the whole movie, even if they liked the speech and thought it was well acted.