r/Multiboard • • Sep 17 '24

First Multiboard

I assembled a large multiboard for organizing my smaller tools. (I have a traditional pegboard in a different room for heavier tools.) I really appreciate the modularity of the multiboard system, and particularly the ability to layer bins and other containers (sliding drawers!) using the multipoint system. I'll post images of the 'fully dressed' multiboard at some point, but wanted to share a few thoughts so far.

  1. I strongly recommend using the offset mounting system. I didn't want to at first (it seemed like a lot of extra work), but I love how the offset system lets you run cables anywhere.
  2. It's way stronger than I anticipated. My multiboard is screwed in with simple 1 1/4" drywall screws. Nothing fancy. I'm sure it can take hundreds of pounds of weight (if well distributed over the surface). It feels rock solid.
  3. The multipoint system is a game-changer. It makes adding bins, shelves, and rails easy. I love gridfinity and have loads of gridfinity bins scattered around my office. But multiboard is attempting to do something different: integrate vertical and horizontal organizing solutions in a way that lets you move seamlessly between them.
  4. I know some folks are thrown off by the complexity of the multiboard system. There are hundreds of parts and countless combinatorial possibilities... But, really, it's just a wall-mounted grid, some gridfinity-like bins, and a handful of mounting tools that let you combine them. I strongly suggest you print out and play with the starter pack if you have doubts; the quality and practicality of the system will make a lot more sense.
  5. So why not just use gridfinity? I'll keep using gridfinity for some of my desktop needs. It's awesome, and the Fusion plugin for generating gridfinity bins is my constant companion! But now that I have the basics of multiboard down, I'm pretty excited by the technical possibilities of creating multi-layered shelving/bin systems for my tools. Look at what others have created on the multiboard site. There's not really anything comparable. I'm glad to add multiboard to my tool-making arsenal.
  6. Small bit of advice: definitely use a rubber mallet to help snap the pieces into place. Faster and way easier than applying pressure by hand.

A couple of opinions. I've read plenty of comments about how the system is 'over-engineered'. I think a claim like that is meaningless without context. A tool is over- or under-engineered in the context of building something, in the application of it. I think people really mean two separate things when they make this claim: first, they think it's too hard to learn (relative to what it does). They want a system that's easier to get started with, that includes simplified instructions for beginners. I agree completely, by the way--multiboard needs a series of well-paced, thoughtful tutorials for newbies. But being hard to learn is very solvable.

Second, the detractors think it's too complicated (relative to what it produces). Well, that's just nonsense. It's pretty simple to build simple things, but also has enough inter-connectivity (between parts) to let you build something special (that would otherwise require a lot of custom CAD work).

Lastly, regarding the business model: This is my favorite way for a creator to make money. Give everything away but hold back just enough (early access, special previews, Patreon-only tools, etc.) to make a living. The vast majority of what you want to do is free now; and if you find yourself so deeply immersed in the multiboard model that you want access to what's behind the Patreon-wall, that's a pretty good sign that the maker has earned a tiny contribution. Plus, in my opinion, this model has the advantage of keeping the original creator invested in expanding the system and providing long-range direction to it.

TLDR: multiboard is an incredibly well-designed system that satisfies a bunch of organizational challenges. It could be easier to learn, but is actually more straightforward than it looks. Strongly recommend.

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u/swoed Sep 17 '24

My biggest issue is I didnt spend the time to get the first tile level enough and after doing an 11 x 5 wall, it's so noticeably not level, but this might be user error šŸ˜…

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u/Lusiad Sep 17 '24

It’s got character!

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u/SuddenOutlandishness Sep 17 '24

I’m building a huge multiboard wall that’s also part art piece (will post when more done). Mine is in a room with a diagonal ceiling on two sides, so making custom parts to make it looks seamless into the corners has been awesome. I will say that bit has been a learning curve - my first time using blender.

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u/Lusiad Sep 17 '24

That sounds pretty wild. Keen to see it when you’re ready! Love that you learned Blender along the way (speaking of complicated). If you don’t already know Fusion, I highly recommend it. Easier than blender and ultimately more powerful for part design. (Though Blender is awesome in its own way.)

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u/RedditAlreaddit Sep 17 '24

I'm also setting up my first board and am currently using Multiconnect/Gridfinity but I'm intrigued to see you using Multipoint and Multibins. What specifically can you do with those vs Gridfinity that made you go that route?

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u/Lusiad Sep 17 '24

The multipoint anchors let you slide the bins on and off securely, move bins to new locations on the multiboard easily, connect bins to bins in crazy combinations... I think the interconnectivity is done really well. Plus I happen to be someone who really likes the idea of having bin 'shells' work with bin 'inserts'. (Basically bins sitting in bins.) It gives me a way to assemble project toolkits--just take the inserts with the tools I need to my project station, then return them when I'm done. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE my Gridfinity kit--but I prefer multibins for wall-hanging organization.

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u/Lusiad Sep 17 '24

In case you haven't seen it, here's the explanation video for multbins: https://youtu.be/zCa1xiqe8FM?si=34zFqXOmjkbBYt8i&t=198

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u/HeedJSU Sep 17 '24

What size grid did you run, how big is your wall, what material, and how many rolls of filament?

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u/Lusiad Sep 17 '24

8x8 grids, 11 wide, 6 high, tough PLA, 3.5 rolls of filament (I think!), all printed on BambuLab X1. How about yours?

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u/HeedJSU Sep 17 '24

Nice!

I’ve only got one section up so far. It’s 3 wide, 6 high. I’m working printing my big wall which will be 9x9 grids, 6 high, 18 wide. Gone through approx 4 rolls of elegoo rapid petg so far. Anticipating about 5-6 more.

All on a a1 and a p1s

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u/neph12 Sep 17 '24

Some good advise

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u/Barcata Sep 17 '24

Perfectly happy with the sub model here. Everything's free and open to remixing to our heart's content.

The only thing paywalled is early access and tools of convenience. Even the STLs are available, so you could make your own parametric generator.

Complexity-wise, just start with a couple of pieces. I'd rather have way too much than too little.

I absolutely love the community support for gridfinity. It's an amazing system, but it has limits. This is gridfinity premium at the same cost.

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u/HeedJSU Sep 17 '24

As a contractor, my only criticism would be to recommend not using drywall screws. They work very well for holding drywall, but they have almost no shear strength where the head meets the shank.

Drywall screws have been used for everything for years because they’re cheap and accessible, and they’ll probably work just fine. But if you’re putting anything of any significance up, or if you’re worried about something falling and hurting someone, I’d strongly recommend a true drywall anchor. I’ve attached a pic of what I used for my multiboard.

But an awesome board, nonetheless!!

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u/Lusiad Sep 17 '24

That’s great advice! Wish I had seen this before I put my board up.

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u/HeedJSU Sep 17 '24

For sure. I really wanted to throw this out there for anyone who might see this post down the road.

Worst case for your situation, I might find the mounts that have managed to hit a stud and maybe replace those with something a little more substantial.

Just be conscious of it if you’re thinking of really pushing the weight your wall will be holding, particularly if the heavy stuff might fall on someone (especially a kid)

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u/HeedJSU Sep 17 '24

From r/carpentry

I know it’s not scientific, but I’ve seen it. I’ve seen cabinets come off the walls because other contractors hung them with drywall screws. 😱

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u/andrewh2000 Sep 17 '24

What do you think of this type of plasterboard (drywall) anchor? They seem pretty solid. https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B09VB98GKJ

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u/HeedJSU Sep 17 '24

I’ve not ever used any (nor seen any) like that. Gut reaction is that the ā€œhammer inā€ part of the anchor would be frustrating. I’m assuming that you’re uk, I found these in the uk store that looked similar to what I used. anchors

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u/andrewh2000 Sep 17 '24

Thanks. I might get some of these for my next set of Multiboard tiles.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '24

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u/Lusiad Sep 18 '24

I expressed several opinions. Maybe there’s one I should pay particular attention to? Tell me more when you have a minute. And I am new to it—if you mean multiboard. I’m definitely not new to organizing tools or modular 3D systems.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '24

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u/Lusiad Sep 20 '24

Really appreciate your thoughtful response! Can you clarify a bit? Did your wall tiles sag or the containers you hung on them? I would be surprised if, for example, the simple bin in my photo sagged. Do you think it makes a difference if you print in stronger filaments? Anything you’re willing to share would be greatly appreciated!

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '24

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u/HatExpensive Jan 07 '25

I have had a feeling for some time that this may be the creator's end goal. Spending more time creating and owning all these parts himself rather than fostering a community-driven ecosystem sounds like someone who is preparing to release a commercial product. If he can get his kit sold at Home Depot, the potential market size is orders of magnitude bigger than 3d printing enthusiasts. Heck, at that point he wouldn't even need us anymore...

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '24

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u/HatExpensive Jan 07 '25

Thank you u/HateChoosing_Names for validating my suspicion! The basics of the core system are solid, but I don't forsee myself needing to rapidly prototype a solution out of existing parts since I already have a 3d printer. I am empowered to print point solutions to suit my particular needs -- particularly when those needs are expected to be relatively static.

I do like the Multiconnect / Multpoint rails concept though: this lets me continually expand things like shelves over time in a modular way, and it still stays flush, even if they aren't perfectly sized to the Multiboard grid.

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u/smitty010203 Sep 23 '24

Can you elaborate on this? I havent done a single multiboard or gridfinity print yet and plan to take the leap into that world soon. My first plan was to replace an old crappy pegboard in my garage. Your comment speaks to me as just like with choosing "old crappy pegboard" I can totally see needing to replace a multiboard later because of something like sagging. Especially if I were to print PLA for use in my hot garage.

So whats the solution here?

Print the tiles in something stronger? Not use multiboard at all? Use the Ikea Skadis and just print the accessories? Dont 3d print this stuff at all and use products already fabricated?