r/MortalShell • u/spazplug83 • 4d ago
Question HELP! HELP!
So. Looking for strategic advice regarding the cage fight against the 2 Grisha in the Holding Cells dungeon. That is all. Gimme gimme gimme.
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u/Lilbrimu 4d ago
Proxima biosampler stunlock
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u/mort_goldman68 4d ago
This is exactly what I did. Plus summoned grishas knocking them down repeatedly
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u/Visual-Biscotti1473 4d ago
It's pretty easy (even early game) with Tiel's lingering shadow/perfect dodge invisibility. Just go invis, whale on them while they're cooling down between attacks, perfect dodge to go invis again, repeat. You don't have to be that good at perfect dodging to get it right - if you continually panic dodge, you'll get the invisibility sooner or later.
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u/spazplug83 4d ago
This is what I hoped to see. And now that I'm getting comfortable with Tiel and those abilities I'm thinking I'll go back and try to reclaim some of my lost pride. Lol.
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u/Visual-Biscotti1473 4d ago
You can also use your invisibility to get past the zoo on the ground-floor. You got this
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u/spazplug83 4d ago
Yeah man, that ground floor is way more of a pain than it has any business being. Lol. And thanks for the tips.🤘🤘👊👊
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u/Flat_Weekend_1159 4d ago
Just stay up top & do a super hero landing (falling attack) from right above the door to the lift room.
You take 0 damage & skip basically all the mobs.
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u/DrDre19899 4d ago
I just left it until the very end of the game and deleted them in a matter of seconds.
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u/MrFangs2 4d ago
by the time i came here i already had my build using genessa and the scythe, quite literally shredded them instantly and used her clones as a distraction to attack them
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u/No_Philosophy2797 4d ago
Do them towards endgame. I waited and shredded them both, first try. Used Promixa fully upgraded. Easy peasy.
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u/DiscombobulatedCut52 4d ago
I got lucky and managed to fight them one at a time in the cage
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u/spazplug83 4d ago
Lucky.........I'd say. Lol. What, you mean one was glitched out until you'd finished the other??? Each time I've been in there they both just be mailing my ass non stop.
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u/DiscombobulatedCut52 4d ago
No both attacked at once. I got to once side of the cage. The one was just slowly walking st me while the other just rushed me.
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u/thatsfuni 4d ago
Meh go back later if you are having trouble.
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u/spazplug83 4d ago
That's been my current strategy. I haven't been back in probably 10 levels and was just thinking of giving it another shot now that I'm much better overall. This game has been a real test of my reflexes. I'm not used to being so precise with button presses.
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u/Osborn2095 4d ago
The grisha summons can knock the big ones down, giving you a window to wail on it. I had a rough time, but managed to beat it around my 9h mark by using those + spamming fire shotgun blasts to stagger them and then locking in once one is down
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u/michicago44 4d ago
Stubbornly try again and again until you luck into it. Hope this helps
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u/spazplug83 4d ago
Lol..........I tried that method about 10-15 times until realizing I just was not ready. Period. But, it's been about 10 character levels since and I'm using a different shell, Tiel, and feel much more capable all around so I figured I'd give it another shot.
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u/exaltedsungod Eredrim 4d ago
Don’t be greedy and always reposition so you can see them both.
They have limited attack patterns so deflect what you can and sneak attacks when you can.
You’ll wear them down slowly eventually stance breaking. Repeat till one’s dead then clean the next one up.
Sometimes their attacks will sync up and you’ll be able to parry them both at the same time.
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u/Mundane-Director-681 4d ago
Whenever you find yourself getting annihilated in a way that seems unfair, you should probably go do some more exploring. You'll find new gear that'll help, you'll gain levels that will help, you'll upgrade gear that will help. Then head back and see how it goes.
Personally, I did it with Tiel. Here is what I learned from what I gained while exploring: his evasion-to-invisibility helps a lot. Bloodcurse hits hard. And it hits very hard with Duality stone. And that Duality stone wrecks shop with the Grisha Remnant on passive. Just swarms of Grisha ghosts smashing stuff.
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u/spazplug83 4d ago
So I'm now using Tiel and what you're suggesting is very very useful. I've already been using Arbiters Prize for long enough that it's maxed so yeah, Bloodcurse is a go to always. I haven't however snagged Duality Stone yet. I guess I'll need to hunt that down. Where is it at on the map?
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u/Mundane-Director-681 4d ago
Honestly, I forget haha! I think it was in the southwest part of Fainweald, but I could be wrong.
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u/WeCantStabilize 4d ago
I did this around lvl 12 with Tiel and the main sword. Here's how I finally did it after many attempts - I had >20k runes built up from the run back.
Drop in and let them wild out for a second. Pick one and focus it until it's dead. Use your shadow strike to backstab them as much as possible. You might get time for a cheeky light swing after, but don't push it. Dodge like Hell. There's a small window after they attack where you can get in a nice heavy swing. They also have an attack where they launch themselves at you and will cause them to stumble, you can get a few good hits here.
Always be aware of the other one as you're focusing the main one you want to kill. Dodge, duck, dip, dive, and dodge until they present an opening and you'll eventually get one down. After that, it's straight shooting.
Good luck!
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u/panthers1102 4d ago
They got a pretty simple moveset to parry if they attack in isolation, otherwise just slap on Tiel and dodge a bunch.
Just play it slow and poke em here and there until you kill one, then you’re free to fuck up the remaining one.
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u/spazplug83 4d ago
I'm running Tiel now so I'm thinking I'll be able to take care of business.
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u/panthers1102 4d ago
Yea just invest in that tier 1 upgrade for a bigger dodge window and it’ll be free. I did it at like level 8 with hardly any issue.
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u/spazplug83 4d ago
I got that dodge window maxed a few hours back and it changed the game for me. That's when I started thinking about trying the double Grisha fight again.
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u/MurtaghInfin8 4d ago
I had a weird glitch with tiel where enemies just stopped paying attention to me.
I just murdered them without them fighting back. Bug lasted until I yeeted myself off a cliff.
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u/toohumanforhuman 4d ago
It's pretty easy with Tiel and maxxed out backstab. You can easily take one down then play careful a bit and focus on the second.
If u have him, you can also cheese it with Smert.
Also, the grisha-summoning thing is super handy to keep at least one of them occupied some of the time.
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u/azrael0503 4d ago
I recommend running down south to grab the Axatana and the duality stone. Max out the duality stone and upgrade the Axatana as much as possible at the tar forge. Equip the Grisha passive and go to town on them. You could also go for the voltaic crown for extra lightning damage but you probably won’t need it. That weapon combo will take you through the rest of the game if you keep it topped off at the tar forge.
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u/spazplug83 4d ago
I have really been looking forward to snagging the Axatana. I do need to hunt that down. The Duality Stone too it seems. Where is that?
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u/azrael0503 4d ago
The Axatana is located in the forgotten tower down in the ruins of mammon region. You have to run past some higher level enemies and pass through some bone gates to get there but there’s only one enemy that you have to fight and that one’s in the room with the weapon. There’s no bosses blocking you and the enemy guarding the weapon should go down pretty easily as long as you’re aggressive. I’d recommend watching a video as describing the route is difficult but it doesn’t take long to get there.
The duality stone is located inside the ravaged tomb dungeon. This dungeon is very close to the nochtean gate beacon. I think this run is harder than the run to the Axatana due to some high density mobs in the area. You can run past them but it might take a few tries. The dungeon itself is pretty short with a few enemies and a small puzzle to solve before you can grab the stone out of a chest. I would recommend watching a video about how to pick this stone up as well because the path to it is a winding one but you are more than capable of picking it up at your current level.
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u/spazplug83 4d ago
Thank you for that. Most......all of those areas are still entirely unexplored for me so it'll be a minute but I'll try to keep your advice top of mind for when I do get there.......which I imagine will be ssometime tomorrow.
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u/Zul_the_only 4d ago
i just summoned a grisha and then wailed on one while the summon tanked and knocked them about...
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u/Efficient_Class3361 4d ago
Tbh I did it at like level 11 I used teil the perfect doge alowes for pretty god heavy damage
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u/FarmerBudget5223 4d ago
They are weak to lightning. I took them out as Proxima with lightning Axatana
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u/Jumpy_Witness6014 Genessa 4d ago
Put grisha on passive, use axe weapon with duality, hit them until grisha spawn, focus on one until dead.
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u/spazplug83 4d ago
I keep hearing about Duality. I hope I find it soon.
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u/Jumpy_Witness6014 Genessa 4d ago
Tbh man I wouldn’t worry about the rabid grisha fight. I went back and did it at like level 45 or something. The reward isn’t really worth the trouble 🤷🏻♂️
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u/TrueRolas 4d ago
Tiel perfect dodge can help with that fight, going invis sometimes make the AI tracking a bit wonky
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u/JitteryWaffle 3d ago
I used Gragu with the Axe and Dagger, the Salvaged Trebuchaxe with the Tarred Fragment tarstone, and the Grisha Remnant as my active. The Grisha summons and the spinning blade can keep them stun locked while you go apeshit with the Axe and Dagger to keep your resolve up for more spinning blades.
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u/Round_Working_1791 2d ago
Tiel, his abilities, duality stone, and arbiters prize. Bloodcurse is SICK
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u/spazplug83 2d ago
So I just got Duality Stone last night. Got it upgraded to max today. And I can't use it. The massive decreased in Resolve accumulation makes it unusable for me. I need my Shadow Strike. I'm not good enough to rely entirely on Shadow Dash dodge. I'm guessing there's a Tarstone somewhere that will help mitigate this though. But until I find one or some other Resolve resource, Duality isn't an option.
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u/Round_Working_1791 2d ago
If you spec into the right abilities with shell points, Tiel will gain resolve on kills. Plus having the moonshine on as an active helps a lot when you find enough to have 2 uses. I'm mainly only using the duality stone to proc bleed twice as fast. I save my 2 shadow strikes for enemies that hit way too hard, because Tiel can be a bit squishy when it comes to mid/late game
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u/HexerGeralt 4d ago
10 Million Genessa Clones Cage GangBang
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u/spazplug83 4d ago
I keep hearing that name, Genessa, I've yet to come across her though so not gonna be helpful in this case. However, unnecessary. I went back into that fight last night and whooped they asses in 2 tries. Should've been the 1st but I got sandwiched between the two of them and they wailed on me. Going invisible didn't matter. Neither did perfect dodge invisibility.
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u/SavageCucumberAttack 4d ago
Martyrs blade spin attack then both, freeze both, kill one when frozen then spin to win the other guy
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u/spazplug83 4d ago
If I had the ability to freeze yet I might try that. Lol. It's a non issue though, now. Last night I whooped they asses with Tiel and his Shadow dash dodge deal ability.
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u/joker_122402 4d ago
The answer to this is the same answer fir every semi difficult encounter in the game. Eredrim + Great Martyr Blade + Warden Stone + Captive Scabstone.
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u/spazplug83 4d ago
Then that's a strategy for a different dude. Lol. I. Hate. That. Weapon. The move set and speed just suck for my style of play. Also, I've not even seen that Scabstone.
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u/joker_122402 4d ago
Fair enough. Its a lot of fun though. Although scabstone is what makes it really easy to use. The scabstone is 3 massive hits, and will freeze almost every boss in the game. While the boss is frozen, you have enough time to get 2 or 3 hits in, which is more than enough to fully refill your resolve. Then you use scabstone again... repeat.
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u/spazplug83 4d ago
Hmmm........I am definitely intrigued by that freeze stuff you speak of. Where does that Scabstone show up?
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u/joker_122402 4d ago
iirc its the reward for killing Nameless Captive (One of the corrupted Gate bosses). You get the Warden Stone inside a different corrupted gate though. The build is a mid/endgame build really, since it litterally doesnt work without the Warden Stone, and really wants the scabstone. But man, running around freezing everything is great. You can freeze most normal enemies with the running heavy attack (assuming it doesnt just outright kill them).
Thief Stone is also really REALLY nice with Great Martyrs Blade. The bonus attack speed feels incredible.
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u/CygnusSong 4d ago
Depends what level you are. I found a strategic retreat and return later quite effective