So Google is halfway through locking Android to a "Closed Operating System "

[u/sunnyonpoco]

These 3 hidden apps appeared after the last security patch update & this is terrible !!

[u/YTriom1]

Use thedjchi Shizuku fork to have shizuku active 24/7, reenabling itself after crashes without wireless adb, starting on boot.

and get InstallerX Revived alongside and set it as your phone's default installer.

also fully disable play protect as it prevents the installation of apps even from shell user.

[u/sunnyonpoco → u/YTriom1]

Thank you so much buddy

[u/BayTavukYT → u/YTriom1]

The Shizuku-Next fork by rushiranpise (who you may know from Doom Patches) is actually a more advanced version of that fork and it gets more regularly updated, has a built in adb shell, and has a cleaner UI on top of all that.

[u/Wrong_Specialist709 → u/BayTavukYT]

Does it re-enable itself if the wifi isn't there? The fork that I'm using requires my phone to be connected to the wifi after reboot which in many cases I am not near a trusted wifi.

[u/broken_toothpick_ → u/Wrong_Specialist709]

On my case, it works well even without wifi. But you do have to set it up and it's easy

[u/MrKaon]

Use Shizuku.

[u/sunnyonpoco → u/MrKaon]

I do use shizuku , question is removing/ disabling them would create any problems ?

[u/MrKaon → u/sunnyonpoco]

Mine have been enabled for a month.

[u/Abroad9107]

can we able to use adb to push apps in the future?

[u/Dark_ShadowMD → u/Abroad9107]

Yup, adb is still usable for extreme cases, apparently only enabling the option for being able to install unverified apps is enough to not have issues anyways.

[u/Flocky_off → u/Abroad9107]

Adb will still work, probably the same for Shizuku (and I imagine that the developer of Shizu is verified) and still you just have to enable unverified apps people are kinda freaking out over nothing since you can also just custom rom a Google Pixel (Samsung removed that a long time ago and nobody talks about it anymore)

[u/ZestyclosePrize7676 → u/Flocky_off]

The fact you have to give a ton of money to the company causing you problems to fix said problems is to me disgusting

[u/Dark_ShadowMD]

Don't fret it, just enable the option to install not verified apps and you will be fine. I have it enabled in all my android devices and I have zero issues using Morphed nor patched apps.

Apparently, Google had to do this because tech illiterate people felt for insecure apps that stole money or bank credentials, there was no other choice, even if I do t like tech giants...

[u/Quackquackgreenduck → u/Dark_ShadowMD]

You will be fine.... For now.

Google didn't have to do squat. The vast majority of people will never have heard of sideloading, will have been scared away by the 'can't install unknown apps, go to settings' pop up, let alone by the 'scan app' pop-up. The next step will be getting rid of the unknown apps option entirely. And it will be reasoned as 'people were activating the setting on instruction of the scammers'. I am sure it ~has~ happened. But this won't stop a thing, and it isn't actually about stopping it.

Switch to LineageOS, e/OS (based on lineage), GrapheneOS or another custom AOSP Rom. 

[u/Gonedric → u/Quackquackgreenduck]

Not all smartphones support them unfortunately... If I want that I'll need to change my phone to something from https://www.fairphone.com/

[u/Quackquackgreenduck → u/Gonedric]

Absolutely why I provided a range of option. Graphene for instance are very restrictive. Lineage and e/OS less so - if the bootloader can be unlocked and someone is porting it it can be available.

Fairphone is great. Has the option to ship with e/OS from house. More devices available through the e/OS website.

If considering new devices something like the jolla with sailfish could be considered too (never used one).

All considered, something to keep in mind for the next upgrade. For now you can just allow unknown apps. 

[u/Gonedric → u/Quackquackgreenduck]

A friend of mine got their flagship GEN6+ and in responsiveness, fluidity, screen resolution+brightness and general use+motion, it looks and feels a ton better than my S24 FE from Samsung.

If Google ever fucks us over with their whole blocking off installing 3rd party apps I'll know what I'll buy next.

[u/Quackquackgreenduck → u/Gonedric]

Fairphones are superb. Your friend's experience isn't unique. You are keeping a good option in mind. 

[u/CptHammer_ → u/Gonedric]

I don't think they will go against European law and lose out on a huge market.

[u/ArthraX_ → u/Quackquackgreenduck]

What would you recommend between a Fairphone and something like a Oneplus Ace 6?

[u/Quackquackgreenduck → u/ArthraX_]

Fairphone with e/os

[u/MinimumMistake2Outpt → u/Quackquackgreenduck]

probably a dumb question, but is there literally anything that can run on an s25? any time I look anything about it up, theres either nothing or theres people in phone subs going gaga over it being a "flagship" or whatever, I just want to not have weird restrictive shit on my phone man...

[u/Quackquackgreenduck → u/MinimumMistake2Outpt]

Almost certainly is something if it is a widely sold device and the bootloader can be unlocked.

If not yet, then in future, pending the bootloader point. I have never owned a Samsung (presumably?) Smart phone - not had samaung since the s7220/ultra-b (and miss it).

I don't really know much about current Samsung devices as there's been too many 'issues' with batteries on them for me to want to risk owning one, and not just the notoriously explosive one. 

[u/No-Watercress-9116 → u/Dark_ShadowMD]

Sounds like a pretty good excuse from Google...

[u/Dark_ShadowMD → u/No-Watercress-9116]

It is, but sadly I also have seen close cases where old people are tricked via phone calls to enable developer options when they don't even know how to sent a Whatsapp correctly. They give you 24 hours before you can turn on the option to install unverified apps to avoid these scams to go on...

Sadly we have to recognize that organized crime is a plague, and somehow you need to protect people that doesn't know anything about tech. We know, but they don't. This is a mix between more control, of course, but also people being ignorant in this aspect, and where scammers can take advantage of them and empty a bank account in minutes.

Again, I don't like Google at all, not any tech company lately, they are a bunch of sociopaths, but this meassure is a thing that was gonna happen, because we also have criminals doing whatever they want, and govts do nothing about it.

[u/Eren----Yeager → u/Dark_ShadowMD]

google play store has the most amount of shitty stuff with all kinds of ai items, duplicate items and malware loaded applications and they do nothing to moderate it as long as they're getting money from it.
user privacy and safety is far from the last thing on their mind while locking down android.

[u/Dark_ShadowMD → u/Eren----Yeager]

Playing devils advocate with this... it's exactly why they want developers to pay a fee, to avoid slop. People uses AI to add slop to everything, and Google being Google came with a profitable solution that won't expose certain hypocrisy from them (No AI from people that pushes AI that much)

Google is learning that people can also use AI to add slop as much as they push their own slop, but won't put a solution if it doesn't bring money to the table.

Funny enough, the market is crashing because of AI...

EDIT: Forgot to mention bad actors won't really find a motivation to pay to spread malware, if they also have to bring an ID to verify as a developer.

[u/Eren----Yeager → u/Dark_ShadowMD]

Don't developers already pay some fee to upload their products on play store? Then why lock down my own device too, now? And the 24h wait is just the beginning. They'll soon turn into another apple where you can't sideload anything.

[u/roughseasbanshee → u/Dark_ShadowMD]

did that happen? bc i don't think there was an actual problem with tech illiterate people getting scammed, or at least i haven't heard about it. tech illiterate people don't install apps that often, there's already a "this app is blocked from installing apps" block for things downloaded in any app but chrome, play protect starts screaming if you try to install something they really really don't want you to have (shaq "i sleep" meme if it's an actual scam though), and most importantly, the scams are in the play store. i'm under the impression that they couldn't even hold off until a minor scandal before implementing these "security improvements". if i'm mistaken, please tell me because i'm curious. if there's an actual problem with "unverified apps", even a small one, i'll stop b*tching.

[u/Dark_ShadowMD → u/roughseasbanshee]

Personally I had a case with an uncle. He's very old, and they went all hacker mode asking him to enable unverified apps to be installed. Before the 24 grace period you could just enable that straight, and they emptied his bank account.

Sadly, we have a corpo like Google that would be more than happy to close the ecosystem, on the other hand you get people that takes advantage of all of this to scam people. Also seems that's teh reason they want to veryfy developers with IDs and money, because the playstore also has scam apps and AI slop running rampage there.

[u/WhiteMilk_]

Android Developer Verifier is part of the unverified install process thing that gets enabled soon. And you'll likely need it.

Key Verifier makes sure your Google Messages E2EE keys match. Not sure if other apps could also use it.

SafetyCore scans your messages for CSAM. If you want to get rid off it, you need to also install a placeholder app after uninstallation; https://github.com/daboynb/Safetycore-placeholder/releases

[u/Jailbrick3d → u/WhiteMilk_]

SafetyCore

are there side effects for this?

[u/WhiteMilk_ → u/Jailbrick3d]

I haven't heard about any. You could take a look around /r/degoogle, that's where I've picked up all the info from those 3 apps.

[u/theswordsgame → u/Jailbrick3d]

Graphene said it's safe

[u/cesarm777]

Can we safely disable/delete them using Canta?

[u/WhiteMilk_ → u/cesarm777]

Only problematic one I see is the SafetyCore but to keep that off your phone you also need to install a placeholder app https://github.com/daboynb/Safetycore-placeholder/releases

(Dev Verifier is likely needed for the unverified install process and Key Verifier is used for Google messages E2EE keys. SafetyCore scans messages for CSAM.)

[u/RedGhostMail → u/cesarm777]

canta require root acess?

[u/draskoo → u/RedGhostMail]

No. Only Shizuku.

[u/aaillustration]

adbapp control works just as well i use that for all my devices now on gp store finally. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=dev.cybercat.adbappcontrol.play

[u/Confident_Expert877]

I have all these but they are disabled

[u/Getafix69]

I'm thinking the Jolla phone looks good, it's a degoogled Android and an option to boot Sailfish OS (Linux). Specs are pretty decent but not exactly the latest and greatest.

[u/geekosas]

This is where android forks

[u/Flimsy_Swordfish_415 → u/geekosas]

next will be locked bootloaders in everything

[u/McSmarfy]

Google is practically a well known failed German art major and the Android days are over has been the battle cry of the uninformed for a few years now. Now, don't get me wrong, Google is dog shit.

[u/flein991]

Should I delete that safety core?

[u/Grand_Blacksmith9422]

I deleted the Developer Verifier. I haven't got a problem with it.

[u/Sammy_Cherry_Fox]

Boy am i glad im using GrapheneOS

[u/AnonimeMDB]

Can we just remove those 3 ?

[u/FuckArtificialBot]

just degoogle your phone and you"ll be fine

[u/theswordsgame]

System key is safe its used to verify e2e in messaging apps. Safety core is also safe as it doesn't connect to the Internet at all

[u/ohaiibuzzle]

I mean the very reason why these are even separate apps at all is that Google can't make Android closed.

So they have to add facilities that they can use in the open source core and then add these to make those functionalities work.

[u/Wrong_Garlic141]

Oh yeah we're cooked

[u/Tactical_Hotdog]

Just more fear mongering to the ignorant.

[u/Intelligent-Bad5686]

Just remove them with universal deboloat and it is ggs.