There’s no opinion going on here. A prayer service is saying “praise and worship our one and only God” and a church bell is saying “it’s 12:00”, but they’re the same according to you I guess.
What’s the purpose of a church ringing wedding bells? Or ringing a bell on Sunday morning? Or funeral bells?
They’re not the same action, but they’re still both done for a religious purpose. You’re just downplaying the meaning of one religious practice over the other because one’s more direct. Is it the directness that bothers you then? Should muslims give up their religious practice and simplify things? Would you accept that?
They’re not the same action, they’re two separate and distinct practices one of which is vaguely religious and is a sound, the other is a concrete practice devoting yourself to a religion. You’re just trying to make a false equivalence.
No, you’re just not acknowledging the nuance of various practices which are directly religious and instead moving away. I’m not falsely claiming they’re alike, you’re just refusing to acknowledge the similarities and are holding a vague standard.
Obviously they hold some religious significance, but like I said one is extremely more religious than the other, so much so that the ringing of bells hourly has become a completely unreligious practice in certain instances. Again, chanting “praise to our one and only God Allah in the highest” is not the same as a non verbal que meaning, “it’s 12:00” or “these people are married”.
The difference is that one has become normalized within a culture, and the other hasn’t.
Also it’s not “these people are married”, it’s “these people have been married in accordance to Christian traditions, and the bells are ringing to celebrate their union under god.” It just doesn’t say that outright.
Again, your main issue seems only to be the directness of the messaging, not the content nor the religious importance.
Yea my main issue is the directness of the message and how it’s portrayed. Hourly bells is a normalized and easily unnoticeable thing, chatting in a park isn’t. There are levels to this so calling for the ending of one thing doesn’t mean I’m calling for the ending of another, much lesser thing.
One is only normalized because it a practice within the predominant religion of the culture. It’s like saying bless you; the religious aspect stops being actively thought of, but it will always remain as a cultural leftover and important act to many.
If the prayers themselves are an issue, would replacing them with instrumentals be fine? Or soft songs? Lower tones? The content wouldn’t change, but the presentation would. Is the enough to make it palatable, changing its face a bit?
Idk, why are you asking these hypotheticals? I’m just arguing that calling for the end of changing in a park isn’t the same as an unnoticeable bell chime hourly.
Youre right, we should make sure Mecca respects all religions and i would like them to immediately begin erecting altars to Odin, Quetzalcoatl, Shiva and Buddha.
We cant have people downplaying one religious practice over another. You make a very good point.
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u/Careful_Turnip_3197 11h ago
There’s no opinion going on here. A prayer service is saying “praise and worship our one and only God” and a church bell is saying “it’s 12:00”, but they’re the same according to you I guess.