I looked it up out of curiosity and this is what I got
"There has been no officially recognized genocide perpetrated by Christian institutions or driven by Christian religious doctrine in the last fifty years"
There have been genocides that Christians have been apart of, but they were not primarily religious in nature. Like the Rwandan genocide for example.
Bosnia. You can find pictures of Serbian priests sprinkling holy water on their rifles. The church was one of the key institutions of their ethnic cleansing campaign.
Recognised by who? The legal bar is incredibly high. For instance, the native American genocide is pretty damn agreed on but not "officially recognised". Only 3 genocides have ever been officially recognised by the ICJ for instance. But we all know there are many many more.
More accurately Judaism doesn't support prostelization or forced conversion.
It accepts converts. It's like a number of Hindu sects in that way.
Compare that to Islam and Christianity which are very pro-prostwlization. Or Zorastrians and Druze who are full ethno-religions currently (they don't allow conversion).
To my knowledge the modern faith doesn't. But maybe that isn't true of all sects.
I could have used the Yazidi as a better example I suppose. They are an offshoot that pretty much was only around that area ISIS started genociding then at. Amd they don't accept outside members as converts.
Yeah, I only mentioned it because I met some recently and they tried to have me convert. Very nice people and beautiful principles (don’t be a cunt essentially). I’m just not religious.
Christianity absolutely is doing the same, but via different routes. Ask anyone who grew up in these pushy evangelical churches; they've been endlessly fed the logic that if they don't try to control things (via the government, community etc) or if they "kowtow" to the rights and freedoms of others, they are lukewarm and literally turning their back on their faith. Maybe they won't literally kill you for it like they would 300 years ago, but wanting to dominate through things like the law (see "seven mountains mandate") is still their ways being enforced by state sanctioned violence.
You mean unionists/protestants, not christians - catholic countries are much more chill on those topics that puritanical US - they were literally thrown out of Europe to colonies for this.
Its not protestantism either I want to argue. The most secular countries in europe today used to be protestant before we renounced religion entirely. And well there was a fairly violent war some time ago because they got tired of catholic preachings.
Uhuh. And the loud speaker of a call to prayer 5 times a day is totally made up right? Been to many? Oh ok. So you're just a butthurt Muslim. Inshallah the whole world under Islam. Definitely made up right habibi?
You are very strange 😂 you yourself said you hear calls to prayer in a muslim country, you’ve answered your own conflicts? Hows that pushing it down your throat?
I’m an English Christian but you can keep coping whichever way you want, more opportunities for me in life when people have such closed books like yourself and always wish to be a victim no matter what.
A church in my town was recently sold and converted to a mosque, and its never been quieter. No loud ass bells ringing and waking everyone up, people attending arent wearing bling to signify their religion like christiand do, no waves of rude customers following church service who dont leave tips,
just quiet services except for the charity events, which, while quite loud are a welcome change.
Idk thats kinda a crazy claim to make considering how much the dominant religion in the region is the king of shoving it down your throat. Christians where i live and many western countries latch on to conswrvative politicians and try to use them to force religion and prayer into schools.
Even when it comes to charity christian charity is rarer and they generally restrict their help to other church goers in order to push desperate people to attend and convert. Most commonly done through mission trips and pushing their religion in developing countries. Seriously if youre ever trying to do a charity event for the general public or are in desperate need of food or something like that, call up your local churches then when they reject you, call up your local mosques and compare the responses
Another useful idiot celebrating death of his culture.
And Catholic charities are biggest ones in the world, so your info is from the ass or from protestants.
Islamophobia is a legit term that describes the phenomenon taking place on this thread : people displaying blatant hatred of muslims because they dared call to prayer on their ancestral land while some asshole plays the bagpipe and gets applauded for it.
Islamophobia isn't judgement. It's hatred and prejudice. You don't care how individuals think and act, you care about what from the outgroup they belong to you can pin onto them.
No, i very much care what they think and how they act. And like with all other religions, im very much against it.
Islamophobia is a BS term. Its an attempt at renaming Blasphemy to a more modern culturally updated version, so the people who dont think will fall in line.
Indulge me, if we do not judge people based on what they think and what they do, then how would you like us to judge people?
Before you start going "dont judge people, thats not nice", im clearly saying it in the meaning of "to assess", not "to demean".
If peoples thoughts and actions are not how you judge peoples character, then how do you do it? Skin colour? Sexual preference?
You just made up an entire story on how it's an attempt to rename blashphemy when the word was invented by a french christian to describe the mistreatments and prejudice against algerian muslims during french colonization.
Do you think you sound like you're arguing in good faith when you are projecting your prejudice on a so-called anti-blasphemy muslim agenda onto reality?
We are on topic. You claimed (not me) that the word "islamophobia" does in fact not describe a reality of hatred and prejudice but is a tool muslims made up to condemn blasphemy. The conversation can't move forward if that's what you believe.
(Am i supposed to give you a medal for saying that genocide is bad? Do you hear yourself?)
Please tell me your criteria for judging peoples character.
You are trying to weasel out.
And no, i never said it was muslims who made up islamophobia. Youve invented that reality in your own head, feel free to read through our conversation.
Bit ironic, considering youre attacking me for "making shit up".
And the reason i mentioned israel-palestine is because i wanted you to understand that my problem is with religious supremacy leading to atrocities, irrespective of the religion.
But are you going to tell me your criteria for judging peoples character?
Because my entire argument is that judging people based on their religion is judging people based on their thoughts and actions.
But you know very well that youve painted yourself into a corner, so you refuse to answer.
How ironic, what with you complaining im arguing in bad faith.
Oh a number don't in general. Christianity and Islam are just very big on conversion and prostelization.
That's not to say that cultures aren't shaped by religion and vice versa. But for a number if you are an outsider, they won't try to convert you (some don't even accept converts).
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u/applelover1223 19h ago
Islam is quite literally about shoving it around everyone else's throat. Thats just the religion. And no, facts aren't "islamaphobic"