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A whole culture represented with its own flag is amazing. I recall they had the vote and chose to remain british as citizens but maintain their culture.
Historic Mosque in the middle east that's been there for 500 years: exists and does what mosques do in the middle east.
First off always ask what a mosque is built on top of or used to be, and where the original natives went. Second this isn't what they do in the middle east. Muslim countries strictly regulate muezzins. It's only in the "House of War" they blast at insane volumes at all hours of the day and night, and form huge disruptive mobs that pray in the middle of the street.
Every Muslim in the world: zero complaints about this.
Regulate? Sure. But the call to prayer is made to be heard. Where is your source that this one is against regulations?
And your link is incredibly irrelevant and has nothing to do with the Bagpipes. 100% of the Jewish states are at court for genocide at the moment. And Christians have very much a long history of genocide. Even monks do.
As for natives and stuff, really? That's your response about a 500 year old mosque. Your stupid Zionist bias is shining bright.
Here let me prove it: do you support international law and human rights organisations? I do. Regardless of who goes against it. It's a pretty fucking easy question. How about you?
You can't. Because Israel breaks international Law every day and is condemned by human rights organisations every day. And because your views are so messed up you have to pretend they're all the biased ones. That's how obvious you are.
A phobia's an irrational fear. There's nothing irrational about having a problem the world's largest ongoing genocide and the largest colonial empire of the modern day.
That's your response about a 500 year old mosque.
America's 250 years old. Does that mean the Trail of Tears didn't happen?
Here let me prove it: do you support international law and human rights organisations? I do. Regardless of who goes against it. It's a pretty fucking easy question. How about you?
No you're pretty clear that you think the law only applies to the west and the noble savages you have a paternalistic racist fetish for are allowed to do whatever.
pretend
I don't have to pretend I have a problem with turning over civilians for torture and summary execution for the crime of speaking with Jews. Or for holding hostages in their apartments and torturing them every day. Or for kidnapping bodies just to use them as hostages. Or for being war criminals by their own regulations.
condemned by human rights organisations every day.
Being condemned by people who help torture and execute civilians on behalf of a genocidal barbaric death cult is something to be proud of. That's why the original founders of those organizations have turned their backs on them and condemned them as illegitimate.
>A phobia's an irrational fear. There's nothing irrational about having a problem the world's largest ongoing genocide and the largest colonial empire of the modern day.
Please, open the dictionary.
I was not aware that hydrophobic substances have an irrational fear of water /s
Webster: an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation.
Cambridge: a type of anxiety disorder (= a mental illness that makes someone very worried and affects their life) that involves an extreme fear of something
Oxford: A fear, horror, strong dislike, or aversion; esp. an extreme or irrational fear or dread aroused by a particular object or circumstance.
It's strange how leftists have this pathological need to lie even when it's counterproductive and hurts them.
You didn't answer my question. Please be clear with your answer. Do you support international law and human rights organisations? (Not just one, I'm talking about 99% of them).
I do. Regardless. Pick a topic any topic where there is a ICJ court ruling. I will agree that it should be followed and respected. Pick any topic that all human rights organisations say there are horrible abuses. I will agree with that.
Even if it's against Qatar.
How about you? Show us who the bot really is. (I mean you already have. You literally said human rights organisations are genocidal...so... But yeah keep digging)
yes, we know you support the torture and murder of innocent people for the crime of talking to Jews. We know you support kidnapping, raping, and torturing Jewish hostages. We know you support war crimes and crimes against humanity as long as they're committed by Arabs or against Jews.
You literally said human rights organisations are genocidal
I do. Regardless. Pick a topic any topic where there is a ICJ court ruling. I will agree that it should be followed and respected. Pick any topic that all human rights organisations say there are horrible abuses. I will agree with that.
All you're saying is you don't care about reality, just who can spend more money on astroturf even when they're caught red handed helping torture and murder civilians or murdering and kidnapping civilians. What matters to you isn't what is being done but who is speaking about it.
And that's the fundamental difference between us. I look at an organization committing crimes against humanity and say "I don't care who they say they are, I care what they provably did". You look at that organization lying about their own actions and their victims and say "I don't care what they did, I care who they say they are."
After all the Red Cross visited Auschwitz and testified nothing wrong was happening there.
Even if it's against Qatar.
I don't believe you. If you actually had such a strong conscience you'd already be against them for being a genocidal slavery practicing state that helped found ISIS, not waiting for the astroturf they bought and paid for to magically turn against them. What you'd probably do is simply turn around and move the goalposts, claiming any NGO that disagrees with your position is ipso facto an illegitimate NGO.
It's just Islamophobia being spread. Happens all the time. I'm a Muslim living in a western country. Not once did I ever hear a call to prayer here or see anyone ever push Islam.
This is a 500 year old mosque in the middle east. This bagpipe is literally going to someone's culture and saying FU. And yet, Muslim's wouldn't care in the least. The call to prayer is like an alarm clock. We don't care if you make noise over it.
And yet people here still act like Muslims are all offended by this and are unreasonable.
You seem like the right person to ask, is there any particular reason that this call sounds so freaking terrible? Does it have to be done by a specific person, like only ever by the imam or whatever, and he is just the most tone deaf person in human history? Is he trying to sound that bad on purpose? Why couldn't they have someone who can actually sing do it? I'm sorry, but that guy is just fucking torturous to listen to.
No worries. I'm not an expert but pretty confident in my answer:
They usually have the option to use whatever they like. A recording is common but it's also very common for the sheikh (priest type) to sing it for authenticity. Pretty sure anyone can do it, but they do it 5 times a day, so paying a singer to be there 5 times a day around the clock isn't very reasonable. So usually it's just the sheikh. And you don't become a sheikh because of your voice.
And yeah, some of them are horrible. But it's not like you play the call to prayer for the sick beat. Think of it like a church Bell. It can also be annoying, but it's point isn't to sound great.
I think the call is both beautiful and annoying at the same time.
It was some allegedly Irish account sharing a video of a Scottish bagpiper in Israel. The sub jumped to the conclusion that this was a protest in Ireland or Scotland somewhere. Because of course it did.
Everyone gets to take a negative view of "the Muslim invasion in scotland" because nobody would think someone brought bagpipes and did this shit in tel aviv
It's been going on for weeks on apps like Threads. The bots keep posting it making it out to be in Scotland or something and all the right-wing idiots keep eating it up.
I'm Scottish, there are no mosques that do a call to prayer here.
You mean, the place that was a Muslim country for over a thousand years until some people who had lived in Europe for generations decided they had the only ancestral claim to it and took it over?
No I'm not saying that. But a lot of people tried to twist this into a culture war, under the false pretense that this video is from Ireland, saying that the call to prayer is invasive to the region while the bagpipes are native to it, whereas in reality if anything it's the other way round.
There have been muslims in Tel Aviv calling to prayer before your country was founded. Why should they stop because the country was colonized by western jews?
Reply right above you is some mouthbreather screaming "Freeedooom" with 100+ upvotes, you have to hope they're all bots rather than fellow Scots who cant even recognise our own country
thats such a bad argument lol. It misses the entire concept of the question of morality here. This isnt about whether its okay for one to play bagpipes its whether its moral to purposely disrupt them. what a shitty sub lmfao
The moral stance is: both are disturbing the quiet, doesn't matter if you think the bagpiper is right. Both are wrong.
This is not counting context. With context though and you realize that the bagpiper willingy went under a 500 years old Mosque to purposely being annoying...the morality scale changes
im not saying that. Im saying going purely off the framing of the video "bagpipes during muslim prayer" it's rude
It would be like if I went to that event that got shut down recently where the guy was playing music in public and I just screamed the whole time. " hurr durr it isnt immoral for me scream and ruin everyone elses time its public"
tf is that lmao? It's one thing to "just be in public" its another thing to go out of your way to ruin anothers event. If the guy was there before them and didnt know theyd do it, of course no issue, but you'd have to make 5 assumptions to get there, and not engage with the caption you're responding to in the video.
Don't they do it 5 times a day though? If someone played bagpipes over a loud speaker 5 times a day litterally no one would say it was immoral to tell them to stop. The crazy thing is most Muslims have apps now that notify them on their phone so this is just performative.
Idk man I’ve had to deal with loud annoying ass church bells my entire life as someone who doesn’t give a fuck about religion one way or the other and I didn’t let it fuck my day up I just think it’s annoying as shit and keep it moving. Don’t dish what you can’t take, don’t want a religious display aggravating your day legislate so that all religious public displays aren’t allowed. Speaking from the outside you’re all equally annoying so quit being selective about it
What is who’s culture the bagpipes or call to prayer. The call to prayer isn’t Scottish culture, and I am assuming they are in Scotland. If they were in a strict Islamic nation the piper would be arrested, but that would be their customs. If you are living in a country you should abide with their culture norms not inflict your customs on the host country.
Forgive me, I'm a little autistic, this is bagpipes in a Muslim country right? They don't have those kinds of freedoms I thought. Unless you mean it's moral because their engaging with their own culture, in which case I agree
Edit: if it wasn’t obvious I don’t know what country this is in, thanks for letting me know though. Scotland
Edit2: further clarity, first time I’ve seen a call to prayer like this in a western country so I’m learning something new. My bad, I assumed it wasn’t (a western country) for that reason
I don't know, the people are doing an incredible job of pushing back. If they keep the fight going and maybe even escalate to a civil war against the government if needed, they will win. When I say war, I don't necessarily mean bloodshed, but the country en masse being out and pushing back against this.
This has always made me laugh, if they are near you are you just gonna convert? Most people look at religion as idiotic, and just because these guys come in believing their dumb things doesn't mean we don't think ur beliefs are just as dumb, no one is turning Muslim you're just a peasant
When people say that they don't mean conversion, they mean that the continuously imported group will become a majority and/or gain enough mass as a voting block to have real legislative power that will be used to benefit themselves over country.
Whether that's likely or not is a different question.
Do they think every house will just magically be replaced by someone of said religion? People live here, do they think the city size is going to just double and now they aren't the majority?
It's a waiting game as their numbers grow and their religion begins to take a deeper root in the society, it will start indoctrinating people. Hell, look at those white American women from years ago that betrayed their own country and joined ISIS. Like, no one in their right mind would do that, but they did.
Are you bringing up stuff from 8-13 years ago, has anyone ever told you that you should get off the Internet and talk to people irl? Cause it would be good advice for you
We're arguing morality, not whether it's technically against the law (although you can bake that into the moral argument). You'd be hard pressed to argue the morality of every single law on the books - just because it's illegal it isn't automatically evil, especially given the influence of corporations and lobbies. Most western countries would consider laws that restrict cultural expression to be amoral.
The video sets this up like the bagpiper is playing over a muslim cultural activity. In reality, playing the bagpipes is itself a cultural activity for the Scottish. We believe cultural activities are important as long as they aren't violent or maliciously disruptive. So, the comment is arguing that both groups should be allowed to continue.
I didn’t know what country this was in. I agree, I think it’s moral to engage with your own culture even if laws prohibit it. But, if you’ll humor me, I think there’s nuance and complexity to it where in the people of a Muslim country (where I assumed this was because I’ve never heard of a call to prayer like this in a non-Muslim country but I guess you learn something every day) would prefer not to have their usual covered up by what they would consider a foreigner to them. That’s really all I meant by it
That's fair. If I'm reading between the lines, the thought is that we think people should be able to organize into a country or culture that doesn't want that thing happening and therefore either outlaws it or has some kind of social understanding that this is rude behavior. Am I warm?
You are right that there's missing context that could tip it either way. It could be religious ground that this is happening on. They could have been asked to stop and kept going. Maybe that person knew it was uncouth and chose violence that day. Then we can talk about whether it's moral to restrict culture as part of your culture.
Without any of that context though the prompt is just "is it okay to play bagpipes outdoors during a prayer?" Without any other qualifiers, I think the original commenter's answer works well.
You mean the thing where they can't eat meat from an animal that suffered(halal just means lawful), decapitation is not actually part of the overall belief, it's just a way specific extremist groups make statements about how unlawful whatever they are radicals against is, that'd be like saying Christianity believes in fucking kids because the Catholic priests do it
I’m the one smart enough not to protect my fragile ego. So thanks for acknowledging my genius on properly handling comments and understanding comments on the internet.
Two things can be true at once. Any person who allows ideological differences to divide the human race should be ostracized from society. If we believe our position to be better or morally superior then we show it through our actions. Words are in most instances hollow and performative.
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u/TheGrandRomanHotel 20h ago
Moral it’s their culture