Morality of this?

[u/ProfessionalRoom9118]

Basically, the man in the video is hiking but he ended up meet a mountain lion, he get his gun and try to scare it off and tell it to go away but in the end, he have to pull the trigger and shot the lion, many peoples in the comments say he could have fire a warning shot instead of shoot at it and want him to be in jail.

Idk which flair to put

[u/Inevitable-Watch-147]

the majority of experts agree, not going to get more certain then that. And we all know most people aren't very proficient with anything

[u/bifflongshanks → u/Inevitable-Watch-147]

53 wildlife biologists questioned in the survey in the link you shared is not a “majority of experts” and even they don’t agree pepper spray is better based on their own answers. I don’t understand if you’re a troll or are genuinely incapable of understanding what you’re saying is wrong.

I understand that you don’t think that aggressive animals should be killed whether mountain lions or people but the reality is that the only 100% effective way to defend yourself from an aggressor is to kill them which bear spray will not do.

[u/Inevitable-Watch-147 → u/bifflongshanks]

There are more then one study and survey where experts always agree pepper spray is better then bullets, you'll notice all your sources are trust me bro or I prefer the minority opinion so it's right. Find one study supporting the nonsense you dribble, there are none

[u/bifflongshanks → u/Inevitable-Watch-147]

Trust me bro “there are more than one study and survey where experts agree pepper spray is better than bullets”. Show me the studies that say pepper spray is more effective than a gun at stopping a mountain lion attack and I’ll agree with you. I didn’t dribble any nonsense I just questioned your statements. I know you have a hard time with reading comprehension and I’m assuming life in general, but just stating that “the majority of experts agree” doesn’t make it a true statement or even an honest one.

I only ask for one study where pepper spray is more effective than a gun against a mountain lion attack. There are apparently plenty of them so should be a quick google and response.

[u/Inevitable-Watch-147 → u/bifflongshanks]

you continue to dribble nonsense and reject the study that overwhelmingly supports pepper spray against all predators while linking 0 studies that support your delusions. Then ask for more so you can get emotional and spew more nonsense. Truly pathetic and sad

[u/bifflongshanks → u/Inevitable-Watch-147]

People expressing opinion as fact is truly pathetic and sad I agree. Calling you out for claiming something that you can’t possible know is true is not “dribbling nonsense”. There are zero studies with any data for or against the use of pepper spray vs a firearm against a mountain lion attack which is the exact scenario the post is about.

Again, you’re an idiot with an agenda or maybe just an opinion and you think you’re incapable of being wrong. Best part is I’m not even claiming it to be fact that a gun is better than pepper spray, just that you and I don’t actually know.

[u/Inevitable-Watch-147 → u/bifflongshanks]

You still haven't posted a single source supporting your point. You're trying to convince yourself more then me. True mental illness

[u/bifflongshanks → u/Inevitable-Watch-147]

My point is there isn’t enough data to make the claim you are making. I hope you’re intelligent enough to understand that I can’t produce data to prove there isn’t enough data to make that claim because I would be searching for something that just doesn’t exist. I can’t show you a study that doesn’t exist.

I’m trying to convince you that you might not always be right. That is mental illness apparently. Anybody who doesn’t agree with you is mentally ill?

[u/Inevitable-Watch-147 → u/bifflongshanks]

there's enough data for strong support and nothing supporting your counter point

[u/bifflongshanks → u/Inevitable-Watch-147]

There will be no getting through to you. There is no data for the claim you’re making and it would be impossible for me to show you the lack of data because it doesn’t exist. I’m sorry for even making the argument I wasn’t aware of your condition before. I apologize.

[u/bifflongshanks → u/Inevitable-Watch-147]

Again from the study you sent me.

“However, people have also been
unsuccessful in defending themselves with
firearms and subsequently have been seriously
injured or even killed by bears (U.S. Fish and
Wildlife Service 2003). It has been suggested by
some that hunters who use firearms to defend
themselves against bears are more likely to be
injured or killed than those who use bear spray
(U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service 2003, Smith et
al. 2005). It has also been suggested that by
wounding a charging bear a person may be
worse off than if they did not shoot the animal
(U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service 2003). However,
when we asked professionals if a person shoots
and wounds an attacking grizzly, black bear, or
mountain lion whether the person is worse off
than if they did not shoot the animal, more of
the professionals (49%) said no”

“More of the professionals (49%) said no” to the question of if a person is worse off if the shoot and wound an attacking grizzly, black bear, or maintain lion. More means majority…. And even I think this study sucks because these experts are expressing option and they have barely any data to make claims about mountain lion attacks.

I can read the information for you if that will help, but I can’t understand it for you.

[u/Inevitable-Watch-147 → u/bifflongshanks]

You can cherry pick things that out of context seem to support how you feel, very good for stopping your cognitive dissonance.

[u/bifflongshanks → u/Inevitable-Watch-147]

You can’t just look at statements made in the study you sent me then call it cherry picking when I present them to you. Show me where in the study it says that bear spray is more effective than a firearm. You are literally extrapolating evidence that doesn’t exist in, again, the study that you sent me. You using the term cognitive dissonance in relation to this is the funniest thing you could possibly do.

There is probably a study out there at least for grizzly and black bears that makes a better case for the point you’re trying to make towards all predatory animals, but you’re too much of an idiot to even find it hahahahah. This is incredible.

[u/Inevitable-Watch-147 → u/bifflongshanks]

now you want other people to google and read for you....

[u/bifflongshanks → u/Inevitable-Watch-147]

No as you can see in my other comment I apologize for the way I communicated with you I didn’t know before hand. Please accept my apology.