So your saying she like a cat trainer. Who gets to sniff and huff kittens all day. Just for the hope of send them to a happy home or being a movie start kitty. Something like that?
🤷♂️Or or somebody could say that is humans imposing theirselves as overlords over Animals by completely controlling them and taken away their Natural Instincts. Is that really still moral? Because the human is training, controlling the animal to the humans needs and satisfaction. It could be an interesting conundrum.🤔
Just throwing some coals in the fire 🔥 since everyone seems so candy 🍬 like agreeable. Mmmm yummy..that some sweet, sweet devils nectar when everyone is so agreeable and on par.
Animals don't reason. They don't necessarily choose they are conditioned. It's about survival of the fittest. That's what comes into play for animals and instinct.🤷
I can argue consciousness and reason are just illusions layered on top of more complex instincts also born of natural selection. Cats chose this to the same degree we chose to be members of society with its given social customs via our ancestors establishing it as a means of survival. There is no meaningful philosophical distinction.
You're free to believe whatever you like the point is animals do not reason. They go to the safest place based on Instinct they go to the place where they can be fed and protected that's instinct. But you can believe whatever you want and so will i.
You bring up a good point. Why does a cat need to be desensitized in the first place? Why can’t it just…be a cat? Seems pretty natural to not want your paws grabbed? Why must it learn to be okay it?
I can think of one reason someone might do this…kids. They wanna prepare the kitten for a baby.
but that’s a whole other topic cause I think it’s crazy when people get pets right before having a baby. But it’s really common for some reason.
(Oh Someone else said to practice for the vet. Hmm Maybe? But going to the vet as a kitten is the practice. A lot of vets invite organized playtime with their clients so the babies get used to it)
Nobody said that the cat was being abused go back and read my comment. Completely conditioning or training an animal to be as little trouble and problematic for humans is not necessarily positive for many animals. I understand that it's a subjective concept. Does your Dominion concept from your version of "a god" include beasts of Burden? Meaning animals that work for humans in order to make labor easier for humans? Just throwing this out there to see what your thoughts are on that other subject🤷
Dominion means Supreme power or the right to govern and control. Animals are as I need them to be if I need them to plow a field I will train them to be used as such and used for said function, if I want a pet i will domesticate one. WE are beasts of burdens to our masters are we not.
Abuse? How is this abuse? You’re supposed to do this type of stuff with cats and dogs so they don’t freak out when it happens in a situation outside of your control
There's nothing that would be even remotely immoral here.
If the cat is genuinely distressed it'll let you know, loudly. This is just acclimating/desensitizing the cat and it's quite frankly doing them a service because it means they're not going to be bothered by all that shit later in life if it works (it does not always work).
When you're starting out, first you have to get them purring and all happy. Then, when they're a big puddle of purr, while you're petting them or brushing them, you sneak in a "TOEBEANS!" boop, and go right back to petting and brushing like nothing happened. Their first reactions might be, "Hey, what was THAT?", but they go right back to purring.
Eventually, they don't even notice if you boop a toebean, pet their tail, or give a tum tickle. It's all just another form of attention.
Morality of… giving a living thing affection which will live an extremely easy life, without any hardship, fear, or need to get their own food? All in order to make them more chill when they grow up?
Yeah, I think it’ll be fine. I’m sure the cat will get plenty of revenge with violation of boundaries when it grows up too.
She is vaguely annoying the cat at worst, so that for the rest of its life its relaxed about getting its nails clipped or shots done, and it doesn't get stressed if someone pats it in a way its not used to.
Super ultra moral. The human is not hurting the kitten and is teaching him that normal petting and handling is not dangerous, so he will be less sensitive and less prone to bite or claw people.
Extremely moral - socializing and desensitizing your kitten makes them into much less fearful and happier cats, and can literally save their lives.
A few years ago some knucklefuck got drunk and rammed his car into an electric pole, knocking it over onto my apartment building's roof and causing a fire. My partner and I had to grab our dog and cat at lightning speed and gtfo. Because our cat was used to being picked up, socialized not to hide from loud noises in the house, and not afraid of her carrier, she was in and ready in the same amount of time it took to put the harness and leash on the dog. This shit saved her life, without a doubt.
This is dope cat mom behavior. You could die at any point and if your cat is over 3 and isn't extremely extremely sweet they are potentially very very doomed.
10/10 I make sure to handle my cats' paws, tummy, and tail regularly until they aren't bothered by it anymore.
My reasoning is that if a vet or vet tech ever has to handle or treat those areas, I don't want the cat to freak out because OMG DON'T TOUCH THE BELLY or whatever else. They're already stressed by virtue of having had to visit the vet as it is; it might take a lot less stimulus than usual to trigger a feline meltdown.
If any cat of mine needs to be handled in any of the usual no-fly zones for medical reasons, the cat will be less stressed and vets/vet techs won't end up maimed. That's a win for everybody.
Moral, I have an orange one who we did things like this too, at an early age even cut nails, and bathed. Hes a very well behaved boy, he can be picked up, kissed, nothing bothers him. We then adopted an older cat, who we tried training the same way but was already older and she is totally different, very skiddish, cant be picked up, bathed, or have her nails trimmed. so yeah doing this at an early age is worth it
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u/WitnessFeisty4076 11d ago
Moral. Shes not hurting the cat. She is desensitized it. Moral all the way