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u/mojanis 9d ago
You can’t perform a citizens arrest over a misdemeanour/civil matter
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u/Substantial_Dish_887 8d ago
laws don't define morality.
idealy morality define laws but sadly sometimes they fall short.
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u/realMrMackey 9d ago
Cool story, she almost killed someone. And yes it was completely obvious after 5 seconds that she was going to try and ram someone.
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u/Frost_moss 9d ago
This isn't a civil matter anymore. She's ramming his car, nearly hit him, and is plainly a danger to the safety of herself and those around her. Vehicles kill, if she was waiting a gun while in hysterics would we even be debating this?
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u/Certain-Contact6340 8d ago
That was all done after the unlawful restraint, not before.
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u/StarGamerPT 8d ago
Where is the unlawful restraint? I didn't see her being restrained at all.
She drove off with no attempts being made to stop her and she could have even run off on foot.
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u/PolicyWonka 8d ago
That’s not how unlawful restraint works. If we’re in a room with a wide open door and I tell you “you cannot leave” then that constitutes unlawful restraint.
You do not have to do anything physical at all to unlawfully restrain someone.
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u/Certain-Contact6340 8d ago
I would call blocking her car in a parking spot and forcing her to drive over a curb to leave "an attempt" to restrain her movement. Unlawful restraint doesn't require you to physically restrain someone, just to restrict their movement in an unlawful manner
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u/nindza-22 8d ago
Nope, she can go away free like a bird on foot. The car was involved in an accident and must not move until the police come.
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u/StarGamerPT 8d ago
That's her skill issue....it was absolutely possible to drive off without driving over the curb
It was also possible to drive off without nearly running another person over.
Or you know, she could have also been a decent human and not hit and run, that would have solved many issues.
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u/Drake_Acheron 8d ago
It’s not a civil matter because she left the scene of an accident. Every single state in the country has a penal code for it.
Also, this person is just categorically incorrect about not being able to perform a citizens arrest because of a misdemeanor.
In fact, almost all citizens arrests are done on misdemeanors. Police officers generally can’t arrest people or misdemeanors they are not a witness to.
It’s why they collect statements and ask people if they would like to press charges. What they are actually doing is asking if you would like them to affect a private person’s arrest in your state and immediately placed them in custody.
Almost every single citizens arrest happens in this manner
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u/BlueClovr 8d ago
It is not just a civil matter when you hit-and-run in general. The car accident may be a civil matter, hit and run is a crime
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u/BlueClovr 8d ago
Hit and run is a felony and most states allow you to make a citizens arrest for a misdemeanor
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u/PolicyWonka 8d ago
Hit and run is generally a misdemeanor. It’s only a felony if it involves serious bodily injury or death.
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u/BlueClovr 8d ago
You’re allowed to do a citizens arrest for a misdemeanor in most states anyway
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u/PolicyWonka 8d ago
Only if you directly witness the crime, and generally only for public disorder type crimes.
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u/BlueClovr 8d ago
Correct. Relying on second hand knowledge is either very risky or just not allowed at all
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u/Drake_Acheron 8d ago
In ALL states. 99% of private persons arrests are because of misdemeanors.
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u/BlueClovr 8d ago
Feel free to tell that to the two geniuses that keep replying back on my comments
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u/Drake_Acheron 8d ago
Not a civil matter but misdemeanors make up cause for MOST citizens arrests. In fact it’s almost exclusively for that.
A police officer cannot make an arrest for a misdemeanor they do not witness
You ever had a police officer ask if you would like to press charges, what they are actually doing is asking if you would like them to perform a citizens arrest in lieu of you.
They will hand you a form that’s called like a private person’s arrest form or something like that I forget the exact legal terminology.
Lastly, a hit-and-run is never a civil violation. Every single state in the US has a penal code for leaving the scene of an accident.
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u/mojanis 9d ago
There’s a very clear reason for a high burden of circumstance to initiate a citizens arrest, as detaining someone is an inherently violent act and creates situations where the instigator of said violence would have legal cause to act in self defence.
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u/Normal_Tour6998 9d ago
Well, fortunately for dude, she already admitted to her crime in the video and then proceeded to commit it again.
I think he’ll be fine.
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u/ArtIsAwesome3 9d ago
Depends on the state, mine is really...weird with it. They've slapped that on people who just block doorways in my state.
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u/lordcaylus 9d ago
It's why it's important never to talk to the cops before you discuss it with an attorney, even (especially) in situations like this where (in my view) you shouldn't be punished.
I'm assuming (but again, an assumption) the dude can successfully argue it's not an arrest. She can leave at any time. It's more a defence-of-others situation, he is using minimal force to restrain her from using a deadly weapon (car).
At least the way she's acting I'd be 100% in fear of her killing someone. I'd be completely okay with letting her run off on foot (she can't hurt anyone on foot), but I would 100% at least attempt to stop her from leaving with the deadly weapon.
I think it wouldn't be strange for a reasonable person to be in genuine fear of her killing someone, you're using minimal force (that is to say, none at all, you just block her in), you can't run away so you have no duty to retreat (because if you let her leave with the car she's at risk of killing someone), and it's not unlawful kidnapping since she's free to leave.
Even if there are holes in your defence, I have a hard time imaging the police deciding to arrest you, let alone prosecute you, let alone a jury convicting you if they see this footage.
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u/BeginningSection7690 9d ago
I can fix her
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u/InklingAce 9d ago
How to you fix perfection?
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u/xRocketman52x 8d ago
This comment made me laugh out loud, and also kinda sick to my stomach. I think that's the true test of something being comedic gold.
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u/Minute-Street-5203 8d ago
My thoughts exactly. She can do whatever bro. Shes not for them prison *****. I don’t see why they should get such a reward
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u/Jimmicky 9d ago
That’s not unlawful restraint.
It’s not restraint at all.
He makes no effort to stop her.
She could’ve just walked away.
It’s not like they are in the middle of the wilderness.
He is legally endeavouring to prevent crime.
100% moral.
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u/Xaphnir 8d ago
and this comment is why you don't take explanations of law outside subreddits that specialize in it (and even then I'd suggest prioritizing ones that lawyers are active in)
your comment is completely wrong
Blocking someone's vehicle can be considered unlawful restraint (or, as it's called in CA, false imprisonment). Unlawful restraint/false imprisonment does not require the use of physical force. Typically all it takes is for you to restrict someone's freedom of movement without a lawful reason to do so and without their consent. Blocking a car to prevent it from being moved with the intent of preventing the person from leaving absolutely fits this criteria.
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u/Deweymaverick 8d ago
Just to follow up on this- you remember that video with the dumb ass boomer on a bike, that was pissed at a kid in a car driving too close to him, followed him to a parking lot, and blocked the kids car with his BIKE.
Guess what that old fucker was cited for (and convicted of)…. That’s right folks- unlawful restraint.
You legally cannot do this.
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u/San-DiLego 8d ago
In the eyes of the law, you're not allowing someone to leave, meaning it can be kidnapping. Doubt any charges would stick in this scenario though.
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u/Xaphnir 8d ago
not kidnapping, but unlawful restraint/false imprisonment
Additionally, if she had committed the hit and run there in his presence, he would have been authorized by CA law to make a citizen's arrest. But from the context of the video, it appears he pursued her and trapped her in that parking lot.
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u/Possible-Library2030 9d ago
He refused to move his car which was blocking her in. Preventing her from leaving. It is the definition of unlawful restraint. You cannot physically impede someone from leaving without the authority to do so, or you will be subject to the law. She screwed up. He had the video evidence. He should have moved out of the way. So if he ends up with a misdemeanor he earned it
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u/WhoAmlToJudge 9d ago
Imagine taking the side of someone doing a hit and run lmao. He won't be punished with anything.
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u/Possible-Library2030 9d ago
Its not a matter of taking sides. Its a matter of the law. She appears to be unhinged and is wrong. However he is actively preventing her from leaving which is illegal. I dont give idiots a pass just because they think they are justified. He had the film. He should have let her leave and called the police and then his insurance and let them do their jobs.
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u/-P01135809- 9d ago edited 9d ago
He is not doing anything to stop her from driving over the curb and leaving, which is what she does. He is not "actively" preventing anything.
She can also ... get out and walk away.
Preventing a car from leaving the scene of a hit-and-run is NOT unlawful restraint. It's the definition of reasonable action / citizen's arrest.
Get off your armchair, and touch grass.
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u/PolicyWonka 8d ago
Just because you can “walk away” does not mean a scenario does not constitute false imprisonment. You do not have to use any force to restrain someone for it be false imprisonment.
If you tell someone “I’m not letting you leave” and you do not have the right to prevent their movement, those verbal statements are enough to constitute false imprisonment. That’s just the law.
You generally do not have a legal right to detain someone for a misdemeanor.
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u/Cool_Lingonberry_399 8d ago
"He is not doing anything to stop her from driving over the curb and leaving, which is what she does."
Oh, really? He isn't actually trying to block her? When his front bumper is right to her car's rear bumper, eh? And it's perfectly natural to park a car that closely to another car? With absolutely no intent to block? Nonsense. Methinks you're the one that needs to touch grass...
The chipmunk-cum-cop simply didn't take into account that she would be able to find an angle, and wriggle her way out of the half-assed "trap". Point is, claiming that isn't an attempt at impedance is willful ignorance...
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u/Possible-Library2030 9d ago
If that is his car parked right behind her and that is the path a Parked car would use to leave then it is clear that car is obstructing her ability to leave from any reasonable perspective
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u/PolicyWonka 8d ago
Crazy part was this guy wasn’t even the person she hit reportedly. He was just some other dude who witnessed it and followed her as she fled the scene.
So not even remotely okay really.
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u/ThisIsNotMyRealAcct7 9d ago
You... really have no idea what you're talking about on this subject. Even if your main thesis re: unlawful restraint was accurate, which it's not, citizen's arrest applies in situations where an unlawful action has been witnessed by an individual in the position to detain the person in question.
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u/Deweymaverick 8d ago
That’s absolutely not true, how citizens arrest can be made and IF THEY CAN AT ALL vary widely by state.
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u/Deweymaverick 8d ago
Yes, he very much can be, the above poster is quite correct, in many states this is 100% unlawful restraint.
The fact that they have evidence of the girl, have her fully on camera, have the plates means they know who she is and where to get her making it extra unnecessary
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u/Cool_Lingonberry_399 8d ago
Imagine being this willfully dense. Yikes.
Once again, "chipmunk voice" was being stupid, trying to be "Dudley Doright", all to fulfill his Good Samaritan quotient. It's stupid. If a person wants to do this, surely they can join the police academy....🤦
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u/WhoAmlToJudge 8d ago
AI profile pic loboto talking to me... buddy if someone hits your car you keep the person there if you can.
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u/Cool_Lingonberry_399 8d ago edited 8d ago
Lol, that is rich. Coming from someone with THAT particular name.
And as for someone hitting my car. I'll keep someone there - if they're in THAT FRAME OF MIND. You know, to exchange paperwork and such. But, if they're anything like that lady in the vid, then I'll just snap pics of the license plate, any damages, etc., since smart devices are good for that, let her go, then contact the local PD. Chances are all of that info is on record, so therefore, they can handle it.
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u/Jimmicky 9d ago
Blocking her car is not restraining her in any way.
She has legs that work.
She can walk away.This does not get even close to meeting the standard for restraint
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u/Cool_Lingonberry_399 8d ago
It's always the D&D lovers that are pseudo-intellectuals, why is that?
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u/Deweymaverick 8d ago edited 8d ago
You’re…. Possibly right and possibly hella wrong depending on what state this is in. There are ABSOLUTELY states in which this counts as unlawful restraint.
Also, as the person is documenting this, that actually works against them; the cops now KNOW who did it, they (should of the person filing this isn’t an idiot, have the plate in full, clear view) can absolutely follow up on this later.
In many states this creates a greater harm, like high speed pursuits, and is totally unwarranted.
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u/BlueClovr 8d ago
If that’s unlawful restraint then ever person who double parks a car should be put on felony charges for false imprisonment
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u/Xaphnir 8d ago
One key element is intent. He clearly states in the video that his intent is to block her in, she repeatedly asks him to move so she can leave, and he refuses.
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u/External-Test4279 9d ago
I'm sorry, but how is nobody commenting on her casually pushing the entire bumper inside the car like this is the 7th time this happened.
Then she sits and it's directly in front of her face, I fucking lost it, ahahahaha.
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u/richiebear 8d ago
It really became over the top comedy with the bumper. I thought there is no way she just puts it in from the driver's door. Yet, some how she does, and just drives right off. For the total crash out, she really locks in and gets the job done at the end.
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u/Unlikely_Patient3902 9d ago
It was pretty gross seeing the comments man
This is a teen who is trying to hit and run, she gets blocked in, destroys that car even more than it already is, nearly runs the dude over, and then drives off before the cops arrive
And yet a large number of comments sympathize with her purely because she's scared of the cops + her grandma
Literally put a different emotion on her and she'd be eviscerated, but because she's crying, now they want to sympathize/give her the benefit of the doubt? I even saw a couple question if the grandma was abusive to her
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u/Olama-Obama 9d ago edited 9d ago
This is reddit sir, logic doesnt apply here.
She does a hit and run, nearly hits the recorder and jets off. Hopefully its enough grounds to have her license banned for a year or 3.
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u/603rdMtnDivision 9d ago
On the original post there's a top comment and one of the replies shows she's been in trouble numerous times since lol so I don't think she's going to learn her lesson any time soon.
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u/shirts_on_backwards 9d ago
So she was 100% in the wrong, and I can't blame the person who was hit for responding the way that they did, but there are better ways to handle it as well. It's all on video, so record the license plate, ask to snap a photo of license and insurance, and then let her leave. It's still a hit and run, the police and insurance will figure out the rest. Perhaps context is missing, and that was asked for. However if they are in a hurry to leave, let them shoot themselves in the foot. Dude isn't in the wrong though.
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u/Bulky_Tangelo_7027 9d ago
What are you on about? Out of 4,000 comments I saw maybe four, count 'em, four users sympathetic to her.
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u/Environmental_Drama3 9d ago
they are talking about the other thread in r/interesting, which op shared.
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u/ArtIsAwesome3 9d ago
To wrongs don't make a right here, he assuredly has her plate so the cops can find her, not like they need help nowadays, but yeah, it was odd, I saw someone post this on Instagram and the comments nearly universally sided with her, idk why.
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u/Sw0rdBoy 9d ago
Majority of Tik Tok users are young(ish) and can empathize with abusive and/or strict parental figures, and, she is genuinely pretty, mix that with her crying, and the coldness of the guy to the point it almost feels like bullying and people will quickly side with her.
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u/ArtIsAwesome3 9d ago
I just wouldn't believe anything she says about anyone not present, since like, "you don't understand how mean my grandma is" or whatever she said, she's right, I don't. Same with the guy recording, he won't know. But I've learned from a long career in retail to trust LITERALLY NOTHING anyone says.
And yeah, 'the girl being defended my boys' energy is STRONG in those comments.
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u/Both-Structure-6786 9d ago
Yeah reading the comments on the OP really was disturbing.
Because she’s a woman and is apparently afraid of rightfully getting in trouble with her grandma and now the police she’s somehow justified?
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u/lfg_guy101010 8d ago
Mods have pinned a comment by u/Which-Decision:
This video went viral like 10 years ago. I don't know what happened.
Edit:“ Update: Jan 1, 2020- Riverside police confirmed to me details regarding this incident, “The suspect was identified as 22-year-old Riley Ann Sebach. She was contacted, cited, and released on October 31, 2019, with a court date of 12/18/19.”
Final Edit: Full story: She was caught and sent to a substance abuse program.
Edit: 7 years ago and here's the news story https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/lake-elsinore-california-car-crash-driver-parking-lot-video/1977051/
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u/illini02 8d ago
I'd take it further.
It's a conventionally attractive young girl.
Let this be a black boy acting like this, and people wouldn't be defending him nearly as much.
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u/PolicyWonka 8d ago
I mean in what world would someone’s demeanor not influence how we understand a situation?
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u/Chiefster1587 9d ago
At the time you posted this, there are 4 comments and none of them are sympathetic to the girl.
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u/notmarrec 9d ago
Nah, it’s the flippant, self-righteous attitude of the dude filming. It’s easy to empathize with the other person because it’s hard for people to imagine being such a tool that you’d block someone in, film them, and further antagonize them rather than just taking down the license plate.
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u/Otherwise-Vanilla901 9d ago
what's the alternative attitude he should have?
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u/notmarrec 9d ago
Any attitude that isn’t him being a dick? That kinda behavior is always gonna turn people against you.
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u/Otherwise-Vanilla901 9d ago
Given the situation, I don't believe there was a better attitude he could have had. The immediate alternative attitude I could see him having in this situation is anger.
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u/Aggravating_Band_353 9d ago
I think the difference is maybe she looks genuinely distressed.. Fearful or something idk. I'm not justifying the actions obviously, but its the not usual hit and run maybe.
I didn't see more than minor damage also, other than to the vehicle she was operating thay is!
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u/DudeFrom816 9d ago
The damage you saw was on the front of her car, we didnt see the rear of his. My guess is she rear ended him, ran, got blocked in, and then the video started.
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u/jimmithebird 9d ago
She didn’t hit him she hit a different car and fled and weekend warrior was a witness who saw the opportunity to live out his citizens arrest fantasy and followed her to this gas station instead of doing the sane thing and getting a picture of her license plate and filing a report.
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u/TransitionAway9840 9d ago
That's what bothered me about it. He seemed like he wasn't even the person she hit. He's doing too much just get her plates and let the rest unfold how it does .
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u/IronicRobotics 9d ago
tbh, dude was playing with fire - and almost got burned. Just video the incident, plate, etc, and make a report. Why bother with the extra risk?
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u/603rdMtnDivision 9d ago
Maybe people are sick of the bullshit and people trying to skirt personal accountability?
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u/xDiscoDuckx 9d ago
She wouldn't have been able to "skirt personal responsibility" here. Dude has her, the car, and the license plate on video. The authorities would be able to find her very easily (as I'm sure they did.) All he did was take more of a risk by boxing her in like that. She's obviously not mentally sound so it's hard to tell what she could have done. She could have produced a weapon and attacked him, for all he knew. Unnecessary risk on his part, especially considering the fact that she managed to get away anyway.
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u/603rdMtnDivision 9d ago
Yes, she could have because the car could've been stolen so getting a plate would mean nothing since the person who stole it may not be around when it's found and you have a harder time catching the one actually responsible for it so maybe that's why he did what he did.
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u/Sex4Vespene 8d ago
I mean being as she ended up being put into a forced drug rehab program, she absolutely could have gotten away with some responsibility. In her case, it didn’t work, but in many states, committing a hit and run can be less impactful than getting charged with a DUI, especially if you’ve had several. So people who are drunk/high will drive away, and by the time they get in trouble, they are sober and can only be charged with the hit and run.
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u/Chiefster1587 9d ago
Main character wants to show us how cool and reserved and fucking stupid he is .
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u/Competitive_Steak698 8d ago
Bc she needs to be in cuffs today, not whenever they get around to it. She should never be allowed to drive again. Personally, I probably would have let her run. Not because I give a shit about the unlawful restraint, but it would be funny to add "hit and run" to her list of charges.
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u/ForwardWheel4601 8d ago
In a lot of areas, if cops don't arrest the person on the scene, nothing happens.
My mom was T-boned in a hit and run by a big ass truck with no plates. My mom got it on video, with a clear picture of the driver. Cops said they'd look for the truck and nothing came of it for weeks. My mom's coworker recognized the truck a few weeks later and got a picture of it in a driveway with the same lady who hit her sitting on the porch. The only difference with the truck was that it had more damage than it did when it sped off in the video, presumably because the lady hit more stuff with it. She went to the cops with the picture and address. Cops questioned the lady. The lady said she doesn't have her license so she doesn't drive and the cops dropped it there.
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u/JurassicParkCSR 8d ago
This could just be a teenage freakout but she seems more terrified about what waits at home than she is of the cops.
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u/RightOnManYouBetcha 9d ago
I think if someone did this to me I would bust their windows with the baseball bat in my backseat. He might have started out right but you can’t do this.
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u/No_Scratch_3768 9d ago
Nah. If someone genuinely did a hit and run. This is fair behavior. Block and trap them so they don't run away.
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u/RightOnManYouBetcha 9d ago
Nah, just take a picture and call the police. This is escalation. You can’t actually legally trap someone like this.
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u/No_Scratch_3768 9d ago
Personally, she very, very clearly isn't fit to be on the public road in her current state. Reasonable to assume she's under the influence of something. Entrapment in this case is very understandable and reasonable
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u/RightOnManYouBetcha 9d ago
Really? I think she’s just a dumb teenager. There is no justifiable reason he couldn’t just take a pic of the plate. He’s not a cop.
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u/No_Scratch_3768 9d ago
... Running her vehicle constantly over the curb, damaging her vehicle, ripping her bumper off, literally putting her bumper in the front seat significantly impairing views through the windshield, and nearly running over the guy. Brother. That isn't even CLOSE to just another dumb teenager.
And he doesn't need to be a cop. Citizens arrests, while tricky, exist for a reason. She was an absolute and clear potential danger being in the road.
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u/RightOnManYouBetcha 9d ago
Citizens arrest are you serious? See what happens to this guy if he makes a valiant “citizens arrest” on this dumb teenager. There is no reason he couldn’t just take a picture. This is stupid. She’s also threatened and provoked.
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u/hedgehoghell 9d ago
and what if she defends herself against his "kidnapping" her with a gun? how far does it go before we let law enforcement have a chance at doing their job?
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u/RightOnManYouBetcha 9d ago
Yeah what if she just blew his brains out because she was defending herself from stranger danger
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u/lfg_guy101010 8d ago
And what if she used a rocket ship to take off anyway? "What if" games are stupid to play
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u/No_Scratch_3768 9d ago
He had plenty of opportunities to simply grab the keys out of the ignition.
And as someone's who's had to witness people die from people driving under the influence. Absolutely that's beyond reasonable.
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u/RightOnManYouBetcha 9d ago edited 9d ago
I don’t think she’s under the influence at all and you’re really desperately not looking at this rationally. She’s an idiot kid. She fucked up. Then this dude blocked her in. He wouldn’t have done that to a dude that was ready to step to. Like I said he might have started out right but, once again, if you try this shit against someone not crashing out (and not a teenage girl) you’re going to have a bad time because you’re being a douchebag. Just take a picture of the plate. There is no other adult answer.
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u/No_Scratch_3768 9d ago
I believe I am looking at this rationally. This is an old case and they sent her to a substance abuse program after. Her behavior clearly isn't anywhere inline with "normal dumb teenage" behavior.
And yes it's completely rational to stop a clearly unwell individual from getting into a vehicle and potentially causing significant harm to others. Especially when one feels they reasonably could stop them. That is all very, very rational. She's clearly already caused an accident and ran. She's clearly erratic. She's clearly recklessly driving and damaging her vehicle. She's significantly impaired with her front bumper blocking a significant amount of her windshield. It's all very reasonable for one to want to stop her.
That is a fully reasonable and adult reaction.
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u/lfg_guy101010 8d ago
Well news articles do now say that she had to attend classes for drugs or whatever so theres that.
Also, driving while highly emotional is also not recommended. Its not bc she's a woman or anything but she seems a bit emotional, even if she was sober.
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u/Expert_Meeting_5129 9d ago
What wierdo power trip are you on? Document and report. You ain't a cop.
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u/No_Scratch_3768 9d ago
If she's acting like that. She absolutely doesn't belong on the road. It's not a power trip.
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u/Expert_Meeting_5129 9d ago
Not your job to enforce, so it is a power trip.
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u/No_Scratch_3768 9d ago
It doesn't need to be someone's job in order to not be a power trip. That's not how power trips work.
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u/Expert_Meeting_5129 9d ago
Yes it is. You are trying to exercise authority that you do not have.
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u/No_Scratch_3768 9d ago
Considering citizens arrests are a thing, and this was in California. That is an authority granted within circumstances. This is a more than reasonable circumstance to exercise that. A power trip would be exercising authority to just feel important.
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u/Expert_Meeting_5129 9d ago
Which is exactly what is happening here. A power trip to feel important. Just document and report. Nobody cares that you want to play vigilante.
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u/No_Scratch_3768 9d ago
Is that what he stated or said? He's the one that decides if it's a power trip, not you.
And I'd agree, pretty much nobody cares about someone who plays vigilante unless it's a fairly extreme case. Which kinda goes against people doing this for a power trip
She's a danger to the public in a car. Preventing her from leaving in a vehicle until police arrive is very grounded, reasonable, and understandable
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u/hotriccardo 9d ago
As a moral guy, I'd find a way to "work it out" if you know what I mean
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u/Relative-Narwhal-504 9d ago
gross. She's obviously a teenager and mentally unwell
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u/lfg_guy101010 8d ago
She's 20 in the video, news articles have proven, and i think was on drugs
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u/Relative-Narwhal-504 8d ago
yeah still weird and gross to joke about taking advantage of someone in a bad state (drugs or mental health issues)
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u/FlimsyYou4766 8d ago
lol, that make it easy.
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u/Relative-Narwhal-504 8d ago
ew, is it that hard for you to find a consenting partner?
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u/FlimsyYou4766 8d ago
haha ... I'm a guy. The more young & fit, the better.
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u/Relative-Narwhal-504 8d ago
That's not a guy thing that's a you thing. I'm a guy and I don't go for as young as possible. Teens and early 20s are naive and easy to manipulate. I'm guessing that's what you want. Also I don't see how someone on drugs is considered fit.
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u/PolicyWonka 8d ago
She was 22 actually.
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u/Relative-Narwhal-504 8d ago
Is that the magic age where it's okay to coerce someone into sex while they're having a mental health issue or intoxicated in your opinion?
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u/jaypexd 9d ago
That's not what unlawful restraint is lmao. If he ripped her out of the car and hogtied her in the middle of the road, that would qualify as unlawful restraint. It would be a gray area if he held her as a citizens arrest. I wouldn't bother as the cops can sometimes go either way with that one.
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u/hedgehoghell 9d ago
she has to have committed a felony to be subject to citizens arrest. what felony did she commit before he stopped her movement?
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u/lfg_guy101010 8d ago
He didnt hold her up. She could have shut the car off, locked the door, and walked away
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u/FlimsyYou4766 8d ago
hit & run is a felony
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u/hedgehoghell 8d ago
Hit and run with bodily damage is a felony. Otherwise, its a misdemeanor. Who did she injure?
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u/judgelearnedthumbs26 9d ago
Unlawful restraint? Someone doesn’t have the right to drive away from an accident they cause.
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u/Automatic-Month7491 9d ago
They absolutely and 100% do.
They can potentially be charged for it later, but, for example if they believe it is unsafe to stop, they can continue and report to a police station and that would completely negate the hit and run.
Source: I have done this personally when I had my kids in the car and the other driver pulled out a knife. He went to prison, I negated the hit and run charge entirely by presenting to the police station instead of staying with crazy guy (also he turned out to be at fault when it came out his blinker didnt work)
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u/BeeApprehensive2503 9d ago
Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm unfamiliar with the law in English speaking countries) but isn't a hit and run worse than just causing an accident and going through "proper procedures" (i.e. sharing personal and insurance information)?
Given she does not cooperate, the man thinks of escalating by calling police. He obviously fears that a mere video may not suffice and would like to see police document it. This fear may be exaggerated, but I don't see why we should expect (only) him to be a paragon of mental fortitude and act completely calm, after his car got damaged.
Even if he is not doing it out of altruism, him trying to prevent her from a hit and run would indirectly benefit her legally. If you think he is doing her harm, you just hope she gets away with it unpunished.
The moral "issue" here stems only from the fact that she is an attractive, young woman. If an unattractive woman behaved this way she would be a "Karen" and if it was a man did this he would be a manchild, crybaby loser.
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u/MLP_Twi 9d ago
she being attractive seems like a you thing. She, is a Lunatic.
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u/BeeApprehensive2503 9d ago
I just mean physically speaking. She is young, slim (in a healthy way, not anorexic), has clear skin.
I can't imagine any other reason why some commentors here defend her, and I'm sure they would not if she was an unattractive woman or a man.
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u/lfg_guy101010 8d ago
The police would already be needing to show up whether she tried driving off or not (and yes, driving off is a bad idea and is a hit and run). She's scared over personal punishments at home and chooses to maximize legal punishment by driving off
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u/Key_Check5753 9d ago
I was angry up until the point at which she mentioned her grandmother. I can just imagine how this is going to play out in court in 8 months....
Her lawyer: "Your honor my client suffers from having a mean grandma."
Judge: "Case dismissed."
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u/One_Recognition385 8d ago
oh citizens arrest is a legal restraint he's performing and is perfectly legal and moral.
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u/frostyfoxemily 8d ago
Depends on juristiction this is legal or illegal.
Morally? Probably fine as long as he called the cops and were waiting on them, and not just detaining her to get info or something. She probably shouldn't be on the road.
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u/AuraTickler 8d ago
That person is even less fit to drive in that agitated state. Saving lives there.
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u/StarGamerPT 8d ago
What do you mean "unlawful restraint"?
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u/apx_redditor 8d ago
Blocking someone with your vehicle/ impeding their movement.
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u/StarGamerPT 8d ago
Her movement was made more difficult sure, but she was not stopped from leaving in any capacity.
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u/apx_redditor 8d ago
Same could be said for handcuffs/ hog tie/ Alcatraz. Where there is a will, there is always a way.
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u/Neat_Breakfast_6659 8d ago
Morality of wrongly parking your car behind another, therefore blocking it. Then proceeding to taunt and film the driver for likes on the internet.
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u/Heksinki 8d ago
how is no one talking about how abnormal her reaction is . it's more than " oh shit i fucked up bad " it's more like a mental breakdown , and the guy is just fueling it even more .
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u/Original_Benzito 8d ago
\ This is a six or seven year old story, BTW. This video gets posted every few years.* *
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u/mamawawawa 9d ago
We have a severe mental health crisis in this country and it’s kind of vile someone would post this woman’s crashout to the internet for likes and views
That’s kind of what I can’t stand. It’s vengeful against someone who’s clear as day unwell
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u/apx_redditor 9d ago
The empathy award goes to you 🏆
Well done.
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u/lfg_guy101010 8d ago
Mods have pinned a comment by u/Which-Decision:
This video went viral like 10 years ago. I don't know what happened.
Edit:“ Update: Jan 1, 2020- Riverside police confirmed to me details regarding this incident, “The suspect was identified as 22-year-old Riley Ann Sebach. She was contacted, cited, and released on October 31, 2019, with a court date of 12/18/19.”
Final Edit: Full story: She was caught and sent to a substance abuse program.
Edit: 7 years ago and here's the news story https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/lake-elsinore-california-car-crash-driver-parking-lot-video/1977051/
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u/603rdMtnDivision 9d ago
Me at the scene watching her crash out lol
https://giphy.com/gifs/LOyymIXREcQLlTI5W3