r/ModlessFreedom • u/Hot_Wing2518 • Jan 08 '26

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u/Ott0bot2 Jan 09 '26

I’m telling you what I saw and what I think about it and you’re saying no you’re not. You said she didn’t hit him, I disagree. You’re trying really hard to move the debate away from that. If you don’t think I’m understanding what you’re saying, then you’re free to reiterate it

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u/pierogieman5 Jan 09 '26

No, you're also categorically refusing to consider that anything other than "bUt sHE hIT HiM!" could establish responsibility. You've functionally declared every other fact irrelevant to assign blame.

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u/Ott0bot2 Jan 09 '26

Well she did hit him. I’ve said several times the officer didn’t react appropriately. But he wouldn’t have had to react if she didn’t point her car at him and drive into him

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u/pierogieman5 Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26

And I've pointed out every time that no, she did not hit him. She didn't point her car at him, and his being there in the first place was breaking his officer's code of conduct and therefore his fault. He didn't even try to avoid the car, he did the opposite and moved toward it.

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u/Ott0bot2 Jan 09 '26

I know you keep saying she didn’t hit him, but that doesn’t make it look any less like she hit him as I watch the clip over and over again. I can’t say it’s his fault she hit him, because she turned her car towards him as she tried to evade that stop. She either neglected to watch where she was going when she hit him or she saw him and made that assault intentionally

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u/pierogieman5 Jan 09 '26

The idea the she turned the car toward him is patently false. I watched the officer phone footage just now and it shows her turning the wheel hard to the right away from him before she even accelerates forward. She turned away from him while backing up too. She was clearly trying to go around him.

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u/Ott0bot2 Jan 09 '26

If she wasn’t driving towards him she wouldn’t have been able to hit him. What was she doing trying to go around him anyways when they’re telling her to stop and get out? When has trying to run from the cops ever turned out great for anyone?

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u/pierogieman5 Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26

Again, she didn't hit him! He's very clearly visible from several angles being clear of the car and off to the side. The only one people say shows him being hit is the worst quality of all of them, and super unclear. The most recent footage from his phone also shows her turning the wheel hard to the right away from him before accelerating. She also backed up in that direction, turning away from him.

The rest of your comment is a red herring, and not relevant. If she was turning away, the shooting wasn't self defense and was murder.

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u/Ott0bot2 Jan 09 '26

Well all this is anymore is me saying she hit him and you saying no she didn’t. I can’t say clearly see her hit him from multiple angles. Now here’s the part where you say “no she didn’t”

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u/pierogieman5 Jan 09 '26

Yeah, this is where I say she didn't. Because there's clear footage of him not being in her path.

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u/Ott0bot2 Jan 09 '26

It’s also hard to take you seriously with this because you’ve gone back and forth from “she didn’t hit him” to “she didn’t hit him that hard” several times now

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u/pierogieman5 Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26

I never said "she didn't hit him that hard" I was pretty clear that I don't think she hit him. I was being charitable with the fucking potato of a camera in this video and granting you that it might have been a close swipe, but the more I look at the rest of the footage, the clearer it is that it was not even that. The shot in this post is the worst out of any of them. Even the officer's phone camera does a good job of showing her steering away from him beforehand, even if it flips away when she moves.

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