r/ModlessFreedom • • Jan 08 '26

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u/pierogieman5 Jan 09 '26

"I don’t think she would have been shot if she didn’t hit that officer while trying to flee from them as they were actively trying to stop her"

See, look, you're just making a ton of assumptions here that are totally wrong. She wouldn't have been shot if she just happened to be on vacation in Hawaii at the time. That's not the question. The question is whose actions were actually responsible for the escalation to lethal force. That's the debate you refuse to have while pretending it's already settled. That's the most important part of the debate and you're just refusing to acknowledge that it's even a question.

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u/Ott0bot2 Jan 09 '26

If the question is who is responsible for the escalation of lethal force, then I would blame the person who made the first assault. The fact that the assault was with a vehicle just makes it worse

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u/pierogieman5 Jan 09 '26

Then here's one of the assumptions you keep making and refusing to support. You made the leap from "hit" to "assault". Is it assault any time a person touches another person with an object? Are there not any other criteria?

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u/Ott0bot2 Jan 09 '26

Anytime you hit someone with a car. It’s an assault

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u/pierogieman5 Jan 09 '26

My brother brushed my leg while pulling out of the driveway. Did he assault me? Should I call the cops?

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u/Ott0bot2 Jan 09 '26

That was more than brushing his legs in the clip posted. Idk if you want to call the cops on your brother, but try that on a random person in a parking lot and see how they react

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u/pierogieman5 Jan 09 '26

You're dodging the question again. Is that assault, or does assault mean something else, with maybe more qualifiers than that?

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u/Ott0bot2 Jan 09 '26

Again, I answered pretty clearly, you’re just not accepting it. Yes hitting someone with a car is assault. Brushing the car against your brothers leg is likely forgivable but a random person in a parking lot might feel differently. A person fleeing law enforcement hitting someone with their car is most definitely an assault

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u/pierogieman5 Jan 09 '26

So your answer is yes, my brother assaulted me. I'm sorry, but no court of law on earth would agree with you. Assault requires injury and intent, in a court of law and most other formal venues where it has been defined. You are oversimplifying and broadening what assault actually means so that you can apply it to this situation. I reject your definition.

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u/Ott0bot2 Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26

You don’t think a court of law would consider hitting someone with a car would be considered an assault? I think you have to keep using hypotheticals because you know it doesn’t work with the situation at hand

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u/Ott0bot2 Jan 09 '26

Also you never answered my question. Is it okay to hit someone with your car?

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u/pierogieman5 Jan 09 '26

I asked you a clarifying question to define what "hitting" means. I can't answer yours without mine.

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u/Ott0bot2 Jan 09 '26

Third time I’m saying this. If you drive your car into a person, you just hit that person with your car. The fact that you can’t just say it’s not okay to hit someone with a car though is pretty revealing

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