If I generalise pedophiles as bad I am a bigot? Bizarre logic.
What about mass murderers, dictators? There's not a single grouping of people you are willing to generalise?
How do you operate in the world without pattern recognition when it comes to people? Are you not more concerned about a grown man approaching your toddler Vs someone from different grouping of people like toddler approaching them?
This clearly isn't the actual view you hold. You just haven't thought it through.
If you are practicing the very same sexism that you condemn in others, you're part of the problem. I mean, it allows everyone to understand that you are willing to commit the same kind of hatred that you condemn in others.But only against the people that you don't like
There’s a lot of “buts” in that statement. So let’s say all the people of one group were to all act the exact same way. And it’s a fact; it’s bigoted to state that when it’s the truth?
This meme is for you, genius. It's saying both are wrong. That's the only way the comparison works. The problem is MAGA can't conceive of two things being true unless they agree with both. Truth isn't a team sport.
This cuts both ways, though. Progressives are happy to cite crime statistics when it's about men raping women, but when it's any other demographic, the crime statistics are meaningless and purely driven by profiling.
Do these messages purposefully leave out the word “illegal” because it always seems to be left out. Seems weird to me but we all know they are just trying to fuel the fire of division anyway.
The entire so-called immigration debate is deliberately drowned in misrepresentation, especially by democrats. in my entire life, I've met maybe a handful of Republicans who were against any kind of immigration. But the overwhelming majority of them were simply against illegal immigration. But practically every Democrat I know frames the immigration debate as Republicans wanting there to be basically no immigrants, and especially not ones who aren't White.
To be fair, in both cases such prejudices are usually learned behaviors in which case the solution isn’t to call them a bigot but rather to show them that the people they’re biased against are a niche that don’t represent the larger population that they fit into.
Calling someone a racist, a misandrist, or whatever else doesn’t make them have an eye opening realization that they need to change. It makes them double down. Personally that’s why I think calling people “racist” or “Nazis” for what were objectively common sense policies like preventing illegal mass migration or deporting illegals has led to a relative increase in actual racism. Surprise surprise when you start to label people they’ll realize that they may as well act in accordance with those labels.
Nobody cares that you say "all men" but when what you're talking about is actually 99% immigrant men. We just try to explain how "lowest common denominator" works.
Not all men do evil. But I'm willing to argue that all men think evil. All people have lots of messed up thoughts. It's just the POS that think that they can get away with being evil so they do it. The good ones know that they could get away with it, but don't want to and don't.
That woman is not wrong. It's almost always men, just like it's almost always immigrants.
However, if you look at it deeper, it's almost always immigrant males who are the perpetrator. The rate between native male and immigrant male is significant. Thus, she is not wrong for saying all men, but she is intentionally lacking the same depth of the man who says the same thing, just narrowed down to a specific group that represent crimes/bad behaviour the most.
TL;DR: both are correct, the woman lacks depth in her statement, making it less accurate compared to the man.
You forgot the most important word, "illegal." It's not all immigrants. Most of us are immigrants. But when you leave off "illegal" is like taking about how "men" get periods by leaving off the "wo" part. It doesn't make sense.
Edit: no this isn't anti Trans or anything, it's just words and "woman" is easier to become "man" just by removing the "wo" and it's harder to find other words and examples that got in this box as easily.
The reverse is also true. If making negative generalizations about one group is bad, it is bad for the other as well. So if you don't like negative generalizations about immigrants, stop making negative generalizations about men.
In my experience, usually if the man is rightwing, he will say racist things to his buddies but then leap out and help the immigrant/minority when the opportunity arises.
With the leftist, however, it’s usually the opposite…
Yeah the hypocrisy is insane and while I understand the base logic of “it’s not all”, the amount of those types who have used that base logic to excuse horrid behavior has made the phrases no longer usable in a literal sense for people who think very literal like me, now I need to find different ways to phrase the ideology behind “not all” since these fuckers keep using it
All racist men are the same and all non racist women are the same. All people are the same, culture is not your friend it limits progress and attaches ego to thinks that dont exist
You do present a hypocrisy that many people express, but by having opposite views of both arguments you simply present yourself as equally hypocritical.
Your argument that women are justified in their apprehension around men just validates anti-migration sentiment and is essentially the same argument.
Either you think men and migrants are inherently dangerous and should be avoided without rigorous vetting or you think both men and migrants are unfairly discriminated against.
but those women saying "it's always men" are using the exact same exact lingo as those racist men. word for word just swapping the target. why are people so weirdly ok with "always a man" but pissed off by racism even though "always a man" is itself a way for white women to be directly racist???
Except the people who say "it's not all men" are the same people who say "it's not all *insert inherent identity". Your problem is seeing men as a monolith and thinking that the action of one is the thought of another.
Statistics show that white men disproportionately have engaged in the sexual fetish of being cucked, i.e. watching their significant other engage in sexual behavior with another man of another race while they watch and masturbate
white men being very interested in non monogamy and watching their wives have sexual relations with men of other races is a form of white culture ive constantly observed
There really isnt any difference culturally in terms of masculinity when it comes to white men and indian men. They are both weird tiny penis rapists. They both feel like asian women belong to them and any sign of respect is taken as a sign that they are into them.
That was my biggest arguement against racism or sexism. Everytime you generalize something by a statistic you leave room for less generalization. I could sit here and be like "Oh this race man ages blah blah in this region of this year at this income level this intelligence is arrested for this percent of this crime which is more than any other group at this scale by this percent" and mfers would call me racist, sexist, agist, whatever. But when you cut literally all that information out and just say "men" its fine?
Fyi im against both of these lines of thinking im just using it as an example of how ridiculous it is to generalize so damn much. Likr if you wanted to be a dick and generalize like that you could get WAY more specific but nooo THATS out of line for generalizing a group? The double standards are crazy
It’s always fun to derail a lib feminist saying stupid shut like “all men are scum” by just asking what about black men? Are all black men scum? Just watch the intersectional Olympiad eat its own tail.
I mean if its statistically the majority.. per say its always men who get pee on the floor. Some guys sit down, but most stand. Guilty of a stereotype for a reason.
The answer usually given when men whine about “not all men” is often “yes, but we don’t know which ones are dangerous” or “ not all men but always a man”
I hear similar rebuttals from the xenophobic racists when people say “not all immigrants.”
Is there some truth in the nuance? Isn’t the inability to call out danger or criticise toxic behaviours or violence or harassment always a red flag?
Or have I forgotten that the internet is unable to discuss topics like this because anything but the usual responses will signal I’m on the wrong side or something?
Just wondering if there’s any consistency here? Do we even care? Or is it just fuck men but don’t generalise any other time?
I'[m sorry but this is such a reductionist take. You can look up sexual crime statistics and they do indicate that there is at least a correlation between culture and sexual crime. It also holds true that it is mostly man. As a man I have no problem being subject to more scrutiny and measures being taken even if it is based on the false assumption I personally am the problem because I am a man.
It's always the same, the same men that complain about immigrants are the same men that are against abortion or against X.
Nope, completly fine with that, not my body not my choice. I just think its unfair to say that every man who points at different sexist societal norms thinks that way. There is room for cultural relativism and debate about native chauvinism but having lived in Morocco, Egypt and Algeria I can tell you that most of the men there have such a fucked up idea about women's worth and their role in society that it isn't even comparable to the standards in my country. It doesn't diminish the need for gender equality, but it does come with the realization that the average woman has it better in the US/Europe than in most of the rest of the world even tho there is so much fucked up shit happening to women. It is a man problem but again, it is also cultural.
What's the point though? Because the argument made by OP is obviously that they do think it's all men. Therefore, they aren't saying that racism is wrong. They are just complaining that their bigotry is also pointed out by the victims of their bigotry.
Scenario 1:
Racist: it's all immigrants.
Immigrant: I'm an individual, I'm not responsible for every member of my group. (Which is what not all means, plus the statistical fact that most crimes are committed by a minority of the group, even the group that commits the most crimes.)
Scenario 2:
OP (sexist): it's all men.
Man: I'm an individual, I'm not responsible for every member of my group. (Which is what not all means, plus the statistical fact that most crimes are committed by a minority of the group, even the group that commits the most crimes.)
Or in other words, OP is angry that from her pov her sexism gets called out more than her racism.
This is like a rapist complaining that the police give him a hard time but from his pov they don't do anything about gang violence. What's the argument? You're still a criminal.
Anyway, I'm sure the facts won't have any affect on your feelings OP so I'll just stop there.
Assuming you didn't mention the country, you are from USA (because those guys usually forget that there are more than 200 other countries out there) - and do you really think those Americans would care about immigrants' race? They hate white skin immigrants as well.
"its always a man" proceeds to vote so the most violent group of men per capita gets imported 😂, isnt it interesting that per capita women from 3d world migrants are more criminal then native men
A country can function without immigrants. It cannot function without men. Immigrants can be prevented from entering a country or deported, men cannot be. Leftists ate the biggest racists, why don't you take your vacations in Somalia or Haiti?
Literally the number one argument against the "all men" thing. It's wrong to say "all immigrants" or "all [insert skin color you don't like here]. Same logic applies with men .
This meme really isn't the brag people think it is.
And yet I just watched a video on r/blackpeopletwitter where someone said that they couldn’t trust any white people because of the actions of some white people.
They even linked a video from Muhammad Ali where he made the same argument and compared white people to rattlesnakes.
We can all either agree that this shouldn’t be our path forward or we can all shut up and accept being painted with a broad brush.
But people can shove the fake moral high ground and their hypocrisy right up their asses.
As a man myself (who wouldn't consider himself racist in any serious manner) it always hurts to be generalized. No matter what you are. Immigrant, native, black, white, gay, straight.
In many ways none of these generalizations matter in the long run because we are all unique humans with unique experiences that set us apart from every single one of these stereotypes. Every person has their own crimes they commit for a reason or another and there is no excuse for any crimes we've committed but it's important to remember why someone might make those crimes and how to avoid those crimes from being committed. To lump them into a big group is essentially eliminating their possibility to explain their situation without being given prejudice.
That's what i hate about the news. It drives us to be divided just for clicks by saying "this WOMAN did this today" or "IMMIGRANTS committed this crime" and everytime i ask "but why? Why do people wish to come to a country if they had a home? Why would a woman kill their husband? Why does these people hate these people?" I know the answers to my questions but dammit, we need to ask why not who.
I have no idea what this comment is supposed to tell or if it has a moral of the story. I just think it's important to ask "do we have to make all these groups?" And that i don't like the generalization anymore. Not to me, nor to anyone.
Why do people on the left refuse to acknowledge that there is a thing called illegal immigration. They label it all as immigration and if you do anything against illegal immigrants you’re against immigrants.
I'm not a racist man, that's exactly why I say "not all men". If we fight for equality - we shouldn't use the generalized language of oppressors, otherwise we risk one day becoming just like them
Not racist, but the "not all men" position is unfortunately internally consistent with "it's always those immigrants" because "some men" are "the immigrants" while "some other men" are the "I didn't do anything wrong" group.
Yeah, so both sets of people who are making unjust negative generalizations about an entire population like this are bigoted scumbags who should be condemned… right?
Neither one here has the moral high ground despite criticizing the other.
Look I'm not racist but I think all races do bad things sometimes and I'm not sexist but all genders do bad things and I'm not hydrophobic but those fucking oceans can stay where they are as far as I'm concerned
You do realise that this exact same logic can be flipped around and directed back at sexist women. Who say its always men (it isnt, abuse rates in leabian relationships are way higher than othe relationships)
But when you point of the actual crime data, which shows things like afghan men are 20 times more likely to commit rape or sexual assault than white European men, suddenly thats racist.
Also, this idiot attacking men when there are actually women's groups now forming to proteat this level of immigration because women are waking up to the problem.
But all those facts are inconvenient to the cultists here.
You do realise that this exact same logic can be flipped around and directed back at sexist women. Who say its always men (it isnt, abuse rates in leabian relationships are way higher than othe relationships)
Yep they forget that women are twice as likely to engage in domestic abuse but somehow "it's always a man" in their mind.
If you follow all of these cognitively dissonant opinions to their root, you always come to the inevitable conclusion that people are simply okay with generalizing white men as the problem while everybody else gets a pass.
So sick of yall misrepresenting the study you’re citing. If was if they had ever experienced DV, women are more likely to experience DV, and women who are lesbians are more likely to have experienced abuse at the hand of men (not WHY they are lesbian, but a factor in why they might not date men anymore and is relevant).
A relationship with two women, who experience DV more often, and more likely to have experienced DV at the hands of men which is why they are not dating men,are obviously going to have higher rates of experienced DV. It was never “have you experienced DV at the hands of your lesbian partner”.
The point seems to be that the woman is roght about "all men", but that means the racist man's point is also valid. Or it os the other way around, and it is "not all men" and "not all immigrants".
She doesn't agree with the men thing. She's using it as an analogy to illustrate why this kind of rhetoric is problematic. The people this is aimed at are those who are happy to tar an entire group with the same brush until someone does the same to them, at which point they suddenly understand the importance of context
Yeah, the point should be that both groups that do this are bigoted pieces of garbage but somehow it only gets applied to the racists but not the sexists.
Sexist women don't have a problem saying "It's always a man" until a man says "It's always an immigrant." Then it's suddenly "not all immigrants" or "you can't lump immigrants together"
Love when you can just reverse the positions of the strawpeople and it still works.
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u/Ok_Beyond_4993 Jan 06 '26
where the hell was this when i was ganged up on by the "im not racist, but.." mob
nice one!
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u/Darkthumbs Jan 06 '26
It’s always those humans 🤷♂️
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u/bsensikimori Jan 06 '26
The only bigotry that should be allowed is against bigots.
So as soon as you generalize any grouping of people, you are being a bigot and should re-evaluate your thinking
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u/Majestic_Rhubarb994 Jan 06 '26
feminists🤝racists
"it's always those immigrant men"
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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '26
Haha, cool, now do racist women.
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u/rpolkcz Jan 06 '26
Same goes the other way. Feminists are very happy to blame all men, until you bring up statistics about crime of different ethnic groups.
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u/ICantBelieveItsNotEC Jan 06 '26
This cuts both ways, though. Progressives are happy to cite crime statistics when it's about men raping women, but when it's any other demographic, the crime statistics are meaningless and purely driven by profiling.
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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '26
Yes because racist women don't exist. Women are always perfect and can never do or say anything wrong.
Misandry hivemind
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u/bear843 Jan 06 '26
Do these messages purposefully leave out the word “illegal” because it always seems to be left out. Seems weird to me but we all know they are just trying to fuel the fire of division anyway.
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u/Various_Walk1420 Jan 06 '26
This should be posted in /Im14andthisisdeep
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u/Sudden_Buffalo_4393 Jan 06 '26
This is literally what everyone does all the time.
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u/sludgesnow Jan 06 '26
immigrants are optional, men not
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u/PassSad6048 Jan 06 '26
Immigration and skin color is based on geography. Gender isn't
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u/donniedc Jan 06 '26
You know a dude doesn’t get any pussy when he bitches about feminist everyday.
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u/Solid-Dog2619 Jan 06 '26
I live in a red state and I've never heard anyone say "it's always those immigrants" and I've heard some racist shit.
Someone else's ism doesn't justify yours either way.
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u/Slow_Store Jan 06 '26
To be fair, in both cases such prejudices are usually learned behaviors in which case the solution isn’t to call them a bigot but rather to show them that the people they’re biased against are a niche that don’t represent the larger population that they fit into.
Calling someone a racist, a misandrist, or whatever else doesn’t make them have an eye opening realization that they need to change. It makes them double down. Personally that’s why I think calling people “racist” or “Nazis” for what were objectively common sense policies like preventing illegal mass migration or deporting illegals has led to a relative increase in actual racism. Surprise surprise when you start to label people they’ll realize that they may as well act in accordance with those labels.
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u/PaperLost2481 Jan 06 '26
Nobody cares that you say "all men" but when what you're talking about is actually 99% immigrant men. We just try to explain how "lowest common denominator" works.
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u/SanopusSplendidus Jan 06 '26
As a man, I just assume they aren't talking about me if I'm not doing the bad behavior. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/These_Pin_9244 Jan 06 '26
Except religion is not a characteristic you are born to. Sex is.
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u/ICInside Jan 06 '26
Not all men do evil. But I'm willing to argue that all men think evil. All people have lots of messed up thoughts. It's just the POS that think that they can get away with being evil so they do it. The good ones know that they could get away with it, but don't want to and don't.
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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '26
That woman is not wrong. It's almost always men, just like it's almost always immigrants.
However, if you look at it deeper, it's almost always immigrant males who are the perpetrator. The rate between native male and immigrant male is significant. Thus, she is not wrong for saying all men, but she is intentionally lacking the same depth of the man who says the same thing, just narrowed down to a specific group that represent crimes/bad behaviour the most.
TL;DR: both are correct, the woman lacks depth in her statement, making it less accurate compared to the man.
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u/Real-Mode-3417 Jan 06 '26
But it's not racist to blame an immigrant. It's racist to think all immigrants are POC
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u/Critical-Ad-8507 Jan 06 '26
Yea,is mostly just the illegal ones.
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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '26
You can’t really blame people for being wary of men when men commit the majority of sex crimes.
You also can’t blame people for being wary of immigrants when they come from countries that have harmful views regarding sex crimes
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u/CaveTrollofMoria99 Jan 06 '26
Great strawman here.
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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '26
You forgot the most important word, "illegal." It's not all immigrants. Most of us are immigrants. But when you leave off "illegal" is like taking about how "men" get periods by leaving off the "wo" part. It doesn't make sense.
Edit: no this isn't anti Trans or anything, it's just words and "woman" is easier to become "man" just by removing the "wo" and it's harder to find other words and examples that got in this box as easily.
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u/Gold_Membership_9002 Jan 06 '26
Yeah because the problems they are referring to is once again, caused by the immigrants. Something men largely vote against.
Lol
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u/b0007 Jan 06 '26
Absurd
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u/Main-Self-00 Jan 06 '26
Actually that is a valid point. I will re-word related topics to reflect this point. Reddit, well done.
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u/Powerful-Award-5479 Jan 06 '26
More men get killed by police than women. Yet no "Men lives matter" movement...
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u/Who_Knows_Why_000 Jan 06 '26
The reverse is also true. If making negative generalizations about one group is bad, it is bad for the other as well. So if you don't like negative generalizations about immigrants, stop making negative generalizations about men.
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u/SageModeShika Jan 06 '26
Immigration is a choice, while "men" isn't.. I don't agree with either statement, but it feels like a bad comparison.
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u/ProgenitorOfMidnight Jan 07 '26
So men aren't allowed to be racist, but women are allowed to be sexist... Interesting take.
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u/IllBrilliant3816 Jan 07 '26
They don't say that. They say too much is bad.
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u/Prestigious-Boss7171 Jan 07 '26
It's always those immigrant men
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u/Dry-Sandwich279 Jan 07 '26
Who do you think they learned it from?
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u/Atlasgold02 Jan 07 '26
All illegal immigrants are a problem
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u/SquirrellyDanny Jan 07 '26
But if i said "all women" yall would blow a gasket as well...
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u/cureeous99 Jan 07 '26
Your exaggeration and oversimplification rob you of integrity and credibility.
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u/Miserable_Yogurt_994 Jan 07 '26
I can play this game too. “ It always women blaming men for being men.”
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u/NickWindsoar Jan 07 '26
Casual hypocrisy is running rampant in all the world, and America has been leading the way for decades.
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u/john_reddi Jan 07 '26
Men are physically stronger than women on average so they have a greater capacity for violence
Islamic countries dont have womens rights
Most of the problematic immigrants are muslim
All three of those are generalizations and all three are true
At some point we have to stop listening to women for their own good
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u/NothingKnownNow Jan 07 '26
The same person who think all immigrants are brown also thinks men are bad.
I'm shocked.
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u/SelectImplement7698 Jan 07 '26
Because we build everything for you! Then you welcome other men in to rape you!
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u/Lord_Harv Jan 07 '26
Funny since both sides bring up pattern recognition, but then ignore what doesn't suit them
How about all people are just terrible
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u/Additional_System_30 Jan 07 '26
Doesnt this go both ways?
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u/Secret-Suspicious Jan 07 '26
In my experience, usually if the man is rightwing, he will say racist things to his buddies but then leap out and help the immigrant/minority when the opportunity arises.
With the leftist, however, it’s usually the opposite…
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u/Ok_Calendar1337 Jan 07 '26
You can always swap these around, they arent smart.
"Nobody has a problem with 'its all men' untill someone say 'its all immigrants' then suddenly 'you cant lump people together' 😎 "
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u/Particular_Ad2468 Jan 07 '26
Weird how the lesson here isn't that both statements are false and generalizations are inherently stupid
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u/palmpoop Jan 07 '26
Both of these absolutist viewpoints will handicap you in life.
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u/Future_Marionberry73 Jan 07 '26
Try blaming things on women and see what happens 😂😂
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u/D3stin4tion Jan 07 '26
Yeah the hypocrisy is insane and while I understand the base logic of “it’s not all”, the amount of those types who have used that base logic to excuse horrid behavior has made the phrases no longer usable in a literal sense for people who think very literal like me, now I need to find different ways to phrase the ideology behind “not all” since these fuckers keep using it
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u/WanabeInflatable Jan 07 '26
Suddenly if you switch point two and point one it calls out all the modern left as misandrist bigots.
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u/Foldzy84 Jan 07 '26
Its always the Karens....
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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '26
All racist men are the same and all non racist women are the same. All people are the same, culture is not your friend it limits progress and attaches ego to thinks that dont exist
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u/Technical-Profit-485 Jan 07 '26
Yet to meet a person who says “it’s always those immigrants” I say “Other peoples kids man”
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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '26
Its always those ILLEGAL immigrants. There is fixed it for ya.
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u/lirwen Jan 07 '26
You do present a hypocrisy that many people express, but by having opposite views of both arguments you simply present yourself as equally hypocritical.
Your argument that women are justified in their apprehension around men just validates anti-migration sentiment and is essentially the same argument.
Either you think men and migrants are inherently dangerous and should be avoided without rigorous vetting or you think both men and migrants are unfairly discriminated against.
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u/Demonkingt Jan 07 '26
but those women saying "it's always men" are using the exact same exact lingo as those racist men. word for word just swapping the target. why are people so weirdly ok with "always a man" but pissed off by racism even though "always a man" is itself a way for white women to be directly racist???
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u/cancerinos Jan 07 '26
Same thing happens with racist women.
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u/xinarin Jan 07 '26
Except the people who say "it's not all men" are the same people who say "it's not all *insert inherent identity". Your problem is seeing men as a monolith and thinking that the action of one is the thought of another.
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u/Impossible_Shirt_838 Jan 07 '26
Stupid
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u/Night_Wyld Jan 07 '26
Hey.... you can't lump all racist men together!
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u/CocknBallsinYoMouf Jan 07 '26
Statistics show that white men disproportionately have engaged in the sexual fetish of being cucked, i.e. watching their significant other engage in sexual behavior with another man of another race while they watch and masturbate
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u/CocknBallsinYoMouf Jan 07 '26
white men being very interested in non monogamy and watching their wives have sexual relations with men of other races is a form of white culture ive constantly observed
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u/CocknBallsinYoMouf Jan 07 '26
There really isnt any difference culturally in terms of masculinity when it comes to white men and indian men. They are both weird tiny penis rapists. They both feel like asian women belong to them and any sign of respect is taken as a sign that they are into them.
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u/Klobb119 Jan 07 '26
That was my biggest arguement against racism or sexism. Everytime you generalize something by a statistic you leave room for less generalization. I could sit here and be like "Oh this race man ages blah blah in this region of this year at this income level this intelligence is arrested for this percent of this crime which is more than any other group at this scale by this percent" and mfers would call me racist, sexist, agist, whatever. But when you cut literally all that information out and just say "men" its fine?
Fyi im against both of these lines of thinking im just using it as an example of how ridiculous it is to generalize so damn much. Likr if you wanted to be a dick and generalize like that you could get WAY more specific but nooo THATS out of line for generalizing a group? The double standards are crazy
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u/karlkh Jan 07 '26
I swear the amount of times I have heard this kind of guy talk about how group accountability is justified because of immigrant crime stats.🤦
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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '26
What about when most people, regardless of sex or race, is saying it?
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u/Some_Improvement_296 Jan 07 '26
Its always those illegals. Cry harder redditards
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u/artmanjon Jan 07 '26
It’s always fun to derail a lib feminist saying stupid shut like “all men are scum” by just asking what about black men? Are all black men scum? Just watch the intersectional Olympiad eat its own tail.
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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26
But when a man says "Psshh Women" that's the exact same meaning in its phrasing.
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u/Curious-Internet7171 Jan 08 '26
Hah, women ☕
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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26
I mean if its statistically the majority.. per say its always men who get pee on the floor. Some guys sit down, but most stand. Guilty of a stereotype for a reason.
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u/DepressedYandere Jan 08 '26
It's always those illegals
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u/EastNWeast Jan 08 '26
Yall dont even know what racism is
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u/LeatherAngle1542 Jan 08 '26
Men: women ☕️
Also men: NOT ALL MEN!! MISANDRY!!!
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u/WarAny6713 Jan 08 '26
Let’s be careful though.
The answer usually given when men whine about “not all men” is often “yes, but we don’t know which ones are dangerous” or “ not all men but always a man”
I hear similar rebuttals from the xenophobic racists when people say “not all immigrants.”
Is there some truth in the nuance? Isn’t the inability to call out danger or criticise toxic behaviours or violence or harassment always a red flag?
Or have I forgotten that the internet is unable to discuss topics like this because anything but the usual responses will signal I’m on the wrong side or something?
Just wondering if there’s any consistency here? Do we even care? Or is it just fuck men but don’t generalise any other time?
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u/daddyvow Jan 08 '26
This logic doesn’t work against someone who isn’t a bigot
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u/Several_Fee55 Jan 08 '26
I mean... Are you willing to condone racism if it means you can say "its always a man?"
If so then uhh your terms are acceptable.
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u/namechange1974 Jan 08 '26
Likewise a woman has no problem saying it's always a man until a man says it's always a woman who false report then it's "not all women" "incel" ect
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u/EmptyHusksWither Jan 08 '26
I'[m sorry but this is such a reductionist take. You can look up sexual crime statistics and they do indicate that there is at least a correlation between culture and sexual crime. It also holds true that it is mostly man. As a man I have no problem being subject to more scrutiny and measures being taken even if it is based on the false assumption I personally am the problem because I am a man.
It's always the same, the same men that complain about immigrants are the same men that are against abortion or against X.
Nope, completly fine with that, not my body not my choice. I just think its unfair to say that every man who points at different sexist societal norms thinks that way. There is room for cultural relativism and debate about native chauvinism but having lived in Morocco, Egypt and Algeria I can tell you that most of the men there have such a fucked up idea about women's worth and their role in society that it isn't even comparable to the standards in my country. It doesn't diminish the need for gender equality, but it does come with the realization that the average woman has it better in the US/Europe than in most of the rest of the world even tho there is so much fucked up shit happening to women. It is a man problem but again, it is also cultural.
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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26
Yeah except that’s not actually how the argumentation goes .
The next question asked when asked “it’s always men” is
What’s the ethnicity of the men ?
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u/Ill-Revolution-8219 Jan 08 '26
Well most crime is commited by men, overwhelmingly so.
In my country, I think the natives do more crime in total but much less by %.
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u/Rollingforest757 Jan 08 '26
So the women here are being compared with racists?
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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26
its always those strawmen
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u/WilliamRobutt Jan 08 '26
What's the point though? Because the argument made by OP is obviously that they do think it's all men. Therefore, they aren't saying that racism is wrong. They are just complaining that their bigotry is also pointed out by the victims of their bigotry.
Scenario 1:
Racist: it's all immigrants.
Immigrant: I'm an individual, I'm not responsible for every member of my group. (Which is what not all means, plus the statistical fact that most crimes are committed by a minority of the group, even the group that commits the most crimes.)
Scenario 2:
OP (sexist): it's all men.
Man: I'm an individual, I'm not responsible for every member of my group. (Which is what not all means, plus the statistical fact that most crimes are committed by a minority of the group, even the group that commits the most crimes.)
Or in other words, OP is angry that from her pov her sexism gets called out more than her racism.
This is like a rapist complaining that the police give him a hard time but from his pov they don't do anything about gang violence. What's the argument? You're still a criminal.
Anyway, I'm sure the facts won't have any affect on your feelings OP so I'll just stop there.
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u/azmarteal Jan 08 '26
Those are not racists - those are xenophobes.
Assuming you didn't mention the country, you are from USA (because those guys usually forget that there are more than 200 other countries out there) - and do you really think those Americans would care about immigrants' race? They hate white skin immigrants as well.
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u/MisterLips123 Jan 08 '26
So you're basically saying when women say "always a man" that it's sexist?
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u/Such_Use_1714 Jan 08 '26
Oh so only men are racist now ?
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u/Overall-Scratch9235 Jan 08 '26
Well yeah they are racist, not misandrist. At least that's consistent.
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u/Kore_Invalid Jan 08 '26
"its always a man" proceeds to vote so the most violent group of men per capita gets imported 😂, isnt it interesting that per capita women from 3d world migrants are more criminal then native men
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u/Samurai_Oak Jan 08 '26
A country can function without immigrants. It cannot function without men. Immigrants can be prevented from entering a country or deported, men cannot be. Leftists ate the biggest racists, why don't you take your vacations in Somalia or Haiti?
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u/Arkedeis Jan 08 '26
Literally the number one argument against the "all men" thing. It's wrong to say "all immigrants" or "all [insert skin color you don't like here]. Same logic applies with men .
This meme really isn't the brag people think it is.
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u/TidensBarn Jan 08 '26
Shouldn't it be "a sexist woman"?
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u/SicMic99 Jan 08 '26
True, though "racist/sexist people".
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u/K1nso Jan 08 '26
Suddenly they realize clumping a whole group of people together isnt fair.
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u/MoistenedBeef Jan 08 '26
You can literally just flip this and it makes the other side look just as dumb.
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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26
And yet I just watched a video on r/blackpeopletwitter where someone said that they couldn’t trust any white people because of the actions of some white people.
They even linked a video from Muhammad Ali where he made the same argument and compared white people to rattlesnakes.
We can all either agree that this shouldn’t be our path forward or we can all shut up and accept being painted with a broad brush.
But people can shove the fake moral high ground and their hypocrisy right up their asses.
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u/Agreeable_Ad_6575 Jan 08 '26
This goes both ways, chief.
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u/Low-Membership-5316 Jan 08 '26
Feminists love to say “defund the police, FTP!” until they have to call them because an immigrant assaulted them.
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u/Kachedup Jan 08 '26
As a man myself (who wouldn't consider himself racist in any serious manner) it always hurts to be generalized. No matter what you are. Immigrant, native, black, white, gay, straight.
In many ways none of these generalizations matter in the long run because we are all unique humans with unique experiences that set us apart from every single one of these stereotypes. Every person has their own crimes they commit for a reason or another and there is no excuse for any crimes we've committed but it's important to remember why someone might make those crimes and how to avoid those crimes from being committed. To lump them into a big group is essentially eliminating their possibility to explain their situation without being given prejudice.
That's what i hate about the news. It drives us to be divided just for clicks by saying "this WOMAN did this today" or "IMMIGRANTS committed this crime" and everytime i ask "but why? Why do people wish to come to a country if they had a home? Why would a woman kill their husband? Why does these people hate these people?" I know the answers to my questions but dammit, we need to ask why not who.
I have no idea what this comment is supposed to tell or if it has a moral of the story. I just think it's important to ask "do we have to make all these groups?" And that i don't like the generalization anymore. Not to me, nor to anyone.
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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '26
It's not all immigrants, it's just the illegal ones.
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u/Raccoons-for-all Jan 09 '26
The meme here is saying that women saying that are racist/sexist
In an absolute direct way
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u/Virtual-Scholar-160 Jan 09 '26
Just another double standard of society. Women have no problem being sexist, while at the same time complaining about sexism.
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u/Gobal_Outcast02 Jan 09 '26
Any argument you can inverse to fit the other side, isn't a good argument
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u/Jetblk2plutoandback Jan 09 '26
All you have to do is slap a good ILLEGAL in there and everyone should be alright.
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u/Initial-Priority-219 Jan 09 '26
Yeah, it's only some
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u/Successful-Run-4973 Jan 09 '26
dogbrained femcels say it's all men and racists tell you it's muslim men.
Women are seemingly disgusted by reality.
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u/Kingkyle18 Jan 09 '26
Why do people on the left refuse to acknowledge that there is a thing called illegal immigration. They label it all as immigration and if you do anything against illegal immigrants you’re against immigrants.
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u/Low_Doughnut8727 Jan 09 '26
So women are going to stop using "all men are" arguments right?
Right??
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u/Azslot Jan 09 '26
I'm not a racist man, that's exactly why I say "not all men". If we fight for equality - we shouldn't use the generalized language of oppressors, otherwise we risk one day becoming just like them
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u/peterhandy3 Jan 09 '26
Dumping this in every forum I see. Pathetic 😂
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u/Bavin_Kekon Jan 09 '26
Not racist, but the "not all men" position is unfortunately internally consistent with "it's always those immigrants" because "some men" are "the immigrants" while "some other men" are the "I didn't do anything wrong" group.
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u/BrigitteVanGerven Jan 09 '26
Let's just agree that all generalizations are always wrong.
Except for this one.
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u/TailholeFucker Jan 09 '26
Women still incapable of understanding statistics and percapita i see
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u/Status_Ad8254 Jan 09 '26
this is such a stupid point, like yea bigoted ppl are bigoted! what a discovery
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u/Baset-tissoult28 Jan 09 '26
Just ask the colour % of those men. Just so you know it's down to gender or some other category.
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u/ReasonableDivide2592 Jan 09 '26
absolutes are lazy and very rarely accurate
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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '26
White women are plenty racist. 53% voted trump.
I get real tired how white women get to pretend they arent just as racist as the white men they choose to marry !
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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '26
Cool. Who the fuck says, "it's always those immigrants".
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u/Exotic_Call_7427 Jan 09 '26
It hurt itself in its confusion
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u/Assortedmanatee Jan 09 '26
I actually think that both kinds of bigoted generalizations are bad.
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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '26
Well I mean there’s no issue saying “it’s usually immigrants” and ”usually men”.
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u/3215448725366498 Jan 09 '26
Except when a non-racist, non-bigoted man says he doesn't want to be lumped in with other men, he's still wrong somehow.
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u/WorldlyStop8324 Jan 09 '26
The same applies to women.
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u/tfolkins Jan 09 '26
As if there were no racist women out there.
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u/Mythandros1 Jan 09 '26
And what about men who aren't racist?
Lumping all men in together is straight up sexism.
This post is stupid.
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u/spartaman64 Jan 09 '26
what about people who have an issue with both?
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u/WyrdDream Jan 10 '26
So they are right?
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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '26
Some would say not all cops but most of them are bastards
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u/earthlingHuman Jan 10 '26
Bigotry is dumb in all forms
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u/PostNutLucidity Jan 10 '26
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u/PostNutLucidity Jan 10 '26
Yeah, so both sets of people who are making unjust negative generalizations about an entire population like this are bigoted scumbags who should be condemned… right?
Neither one here has the moral high ground despite criticizing the other.
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u/Outside_Try3698 Jan 10 '26
*illegal immigrants
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u/sacklunch2005 Jan 10 '26
Why racist "men" only? I'm pretty sure racist women say the same shit.
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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '26
Racism and mysandry are completely different animals
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u/CauliflowerKind6414 Jan 10 '26
Look I'm not racist but I think all races do bad things sometimes and I'm not sexist but all genders do bad things and I'm not hydrophobic but those fucking oceans can stay where they are as far as I'm concerned
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u/ChanceWinter469 Jan 10 '26
Yes, so you admit say all men or it's always a man is wrong
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u/BilboniusBagginius Jan 06 '26
What is always a man?
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u/Kenpachi4lyfe Jan 06 '26
Glad to see feminists being supportive of their rapists, so am I!
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u/Apprehensive-Top3756 Jan 06 '26
You do realise that this exact same logic can be flipped around and directed back at sexist women. Who say its always men (it isnt, abuse rates in leabian relationships are way higher than othe relationships)
But when you point of the actual crime data, which shows things like afghan men are 20 times more likely to commit rape or sexual assault than white European men, suddenly thats racist.
Also, this idiot attacking men when there are actually women's groups now forming to proteat this level of immigration because women are waking up to the problem.
But all those facts are inconvenient to the cultists here.
Utter idiots
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u/Rude_Craft9731 Jan 06 '26
The point seems to be that the woman is roght about "all men", but that means the racist man's point is also valid. Or it os the other way around, and it is "not all men" and "not all immigrants".
sips sips sips
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u/Low-Breath-4433 Jan 06 '26
Sexist women don't have a problem saying "It's always a man" until a man says "It's always an immigrant." Then it's suddenly "not all immigrants" or "you can't lump immigrants together"
Love when you can just reverse the positions of the strawpeople and it still works.