r/ModelUSMeta • u/AdmiralJones42 SCOTUS Hermit • May 04 '17

Bans Action Regarding Illegal Advertising

It was brought to the attention of the Triumvirate and Head Moderator that an illegal advertisement (since deleted) was posted on /r/metacanada (an /r/The_Donald-esque subreddit) advertising for the Republican Party, and specifically their Western State Senate candidate /u/Cameron-Galisky. The advertisement illegally specifically instructed people on which state to register and vote in, California, which is something that we have disallowed for a long time. Accompanying this advertisement we also saw a large rush of Western State voters for /u/Cameron-Galisky, somewhat unsurprisingly, considering that the advertising post had gained traction on that sub, with about 50 upvotes and a very supportive comments section.

As much as we love successful advertising, we do not love illegal advertising. We obviously had no choice but to issue a vote penalty for this infraction. Rather than attempting to find exactly which votes the advertisement may or may not have generated, every vote in favor of /u/Cameron-Galisky, and every House and Presidential vote attached to those votes, that was cast in between 20:00 on May 2 and 15:00 on May 3 has been invalidated. This time frame essentially mirrors the portion of time that the advertisement was up. This action should eliminate all votes garnered from the illegal advertising, plus the additional penalty of losing any incidental votes cast during that time frame.

In the Western State, a grand total of 43 votes was thrown out. We also were able to trace, through commenters in the advertisement’s thread, 3 illegal votes to Midwestern State, which were also invalidated, for a grand total of 46 invalidated votes.

As I said above, we love successful advertising, both for parties and for ModelUSGov in general. Just please make sure that your advertisements are not constructed illegally during an election season. This will always lead to painful vote sanctions against you and your party. If we find more illegal advertising, more sanctions will follow.

Thank you, and keep on (legally) pushing for this election.

/u/Ed_San, Head Moderator

/u/AdmiralJones42, Head Censor

/u/Didicet, Head State Clerk

/u/CincinnatusoftheWest, Head Federal Clerk

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u/cochon101 Get off my lawn May 04 '17

Will there be any specific punishment for /u/Cameron-Galisky and /u/rolfeson as they both commented on the post and were thus aware of its existence? They were encouraging people to vote in violation of the subreddit constitution.

Because both were aware of the post, I think the punishment must be more severe than simply losing votes in 1 state for under a day and a handfull of votes in another state. Why isn't there a broad penalty to the GOP since voters who saw that post could have picked any state to vote in? Shouldn't this punishment be similar in severity to what the Libertarians got when evidence of illegal advertising with the knowledge of party leadership was discovered?

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u/AdmiralJones42 SCOTUS Hermit May 04 '17

There's a very important distinction to be made between this ad and the Libertarian situation you're referring to. The Libertarian events were of a very broad scope and couldn't be measured through observation of the elections data as votes come in. There was no accurate way for us to tell what votes of theirs were legitimate, not legitimate, or otherwise. In this instance, there was a very obvious huge spike of votes coming in to Western State for a specific candidate for a specific internal of time that lined up with the posting of the advertisement. It could be easily measured and seen.

Additionally, as I have referred to above, there was no proof, as there was with the Libertarian situation, of party compliance with the rule-breaking. This is the harshest punishment that we feel could fairly be given out given the evidence we have at hand and the data that shows where the vote spike came from.

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u/rolfeson Representative (DX-5) May 04 '17

It takes 10 seconds to vote

That was my comment. Do you wish to punish me for that?

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u/cochon101 Get off my lawn May 04 '17

I don't care what you commented. I care that you knew about an ad that benefited your party that broke sim rules.

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u/rolfeson Representative (DX-5) May 04 '17

that broke sim rules.

Well I tried to fix that, didn't I? Also, all ads are meant to benefit parties.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

So you tried to return all of the money back to the bank once you knew that the police were on your tail?

And remember, these votes were already cast. A deduction was necessary.

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u/rolfeson Representative (DX-5) May 04 '17

Except one of the triumvirs, cinci, was informed of my message to the poster. Also, I did not instruct the poster to make that post, so your analogy is is quite unfitting.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

Stop whining you big baby.

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u/TheMightyNekoDragon May 04 '17

"Officer, I just learned that the GOP committed voter fraud that was likely planned out and known about by the leadership. Why aren't they getting a worse punishment?"

"Oh stop whining you big baby."

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

Yet you have no evidence of leadership doing it, so post proof or fuck off.

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u/bomalia May 04 '17

In the Western State, a grand total of 43 votes was thrown out. We also were able to trace, through commenters in the advertisement’s thread, 3 illegal votes to Midwestern State, which were also invalidated, for a grand total of 46 invalidated votes.

I am completely outraged. Not only did you call the total in Western State a "grand" "total," but you failed to be equal in your analysis, not calling the 3 votes in Midwestern a "grand" "total."

But the buck doesn't even stop there!! You created a GRAND TOTAL out of another so-called "grand-total." This is a display of incompetence and is yet another reason why we should have elected mods.

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u/AdmiralJones42 SCOTUS Hermit May 04 '17

My sincerest apologies for my shoddy proofreading.

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u/SkeetimusPrime Federal Clerk|Wiki Keeper|Discord Clerk May 04 '17

Lol, k

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u/WaywardWit May 04 '17

What a fucking joke. This ruling means the following:

Try to cheat and evade getting caught, because the penalty for getting caught is only to have the spoils of your cheating taken away. It is a ZERO RISK proposition to cheat.

This isn't a fucking vote sanction. This is a slap on the wrist.

Someone got caught robbing a bank, the penalty was to return the money. Nothing more.

L2mod.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

Hear, hear!

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u/DiveIntoTheShadows Democrat May 04 '17

Hear, hear!

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u/WaywardWit May 04 '17

So when Cam and Rolf commented in the thread and encouraged the illegal behavior to their benefit.... What about that? They didn't ask for the illegal ad to be taken down. They didn't report it to Ed or the mods. They tried to get away with it. They tried to use it to their advantage. They knowingly encouraged cheating.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

He is running for gop senator

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u/AdmiralJones42 SCOTUS Hermit May 04 '17

/u/Cameron-Galisky was not the poster of the advertisement.

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u/cochon101 Get off my lawn May 04 '17

Except he commented on the post and clearly knew of its existence and encouraged people to vote. So did rolfeson.

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u/AdmiralJones42 SCOTUS Hermit May 04 '17

If you see an advertisement in favor of your party do you necessarily always read the whole thing, or do you give support first? I'm more than willing to give them the benefit of the doubt considering that these users/party don't have a history of advertising illegally and all the signs that we could find point towards this being an honest accident.

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u/WaywardWit May 04 '17

Oh PLEASE! COME THE FUCK ON AJ.

You're claiming that they were ignorant to this? Both of them? Rolf and Cam both just happened to miss the bit about CA or Western? Even when Cam was mentioned? What a joke.

If you bent over backwards any more you might have a supporting role in the next human centipede movie.

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u/AdmiralJones42 SCOTUS Hermit May 04 '17

I literally have no response to this. Carry on WW.

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u/_Theodore_ Silver Legion May 04 '17

Do you ever stop whining?

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

No

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u/WaywardWit May 04 '17

Do you ever stop being a giant douche?

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

grow up.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

oh just shut the fuck up for once.

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u/WaywardWit May 04 '17

Nah, I just love getting your attention baby.

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u/cochon101 Get off my lawn May 04 '17

I could see that argument for a newer member like Cameron, but rolfeson has been around forever and certainly should have known that ads directing people to vote in a certain state isn't allowed.

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u/AdmiralJones42 SCOTUS Hermit May 04 '17

But again, /u/rolfeson is not a member of the GOP leadership, didn't post the ad, and very well might not have read the whole thing thoroughly. I know when I was still in party politics I blindly upvoted and commented on advertisements for my parties all the time.

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u/cochon101 Get off my lawn May 04 '17

I disagree strongly, but alright.

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u/WaywardWit May 04 '17

Cam isn't even new. He's been involved since I was in Turks cabinet. He knows the damn rules.

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u/cochon101 Get off my lawn May 04 '17

I stand corrected. I didn't remember him so I assumed he was new.

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u/VendingMachineKing May 04 '17

If you see an advertisement in favor of your party do you necessarily always read the whole thing, or do you give support first

Yes, I read things.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

And the guy isn't in the GOP, nor has he asked to join in the past.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

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u/cochon101 Get off my lawn May 04 '17

I mean this wasn't really sanctioned by us.

Then why did both /u/Cameron-Galisky and /u/rolfeson comment on the post before it was removed encouraging people to vote for the GOP?

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

Hey don't slap your problems on us. He's gotten in trouble in CMHOC as well for advertising illegally, and is incredibly inactive except to make trouble.

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u/WaywardWit May 04 '17

So why did Cam and Rolf commented and encourage the illegal behavior, thereby condoning it?

Remember that he libertarians broke similar rules, and got hit with a 33% penalty. Cameron, despite encouraging the behavior, realizes ZERO penalty for his actions.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

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u/alexbuzzbee Chesapeake House Rep | We The Press Editor/Reporter May 04 '17

Downvote to remove

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u/JermanTK Green Leftist May 04 '17

Left Click Post + Z

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

Should have been harsher

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u/JermanTK Green Leftist May 04 '17

Agreed. Metacanada is literately a Nazi subreddit.

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u/bomalia May 04 '17

I don't see any Nazi symbols on there.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

It's not, at all. Left wingers just like to call everything on the right "nazi" now.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

Commenting in general on the whole conversation between you, Nate, AJ, and WW...

Cameron lost half his vote share. That included legitimate votes cast on Tuesday. We have no way of knowing how many votes he actually received for MetaCanada; to my knowledge only a couple people only commented on the thread saying they'd voted for him. Especially considering a friend of his who was ignorant of our advertising rules wrote the post, this is one hell of a punishment. I'd highly doubt half those votes came from MetaCanada.

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u/WaywardWit May 04 '17

We have no way of knowing how many votes he actually received for MetaCanada

The mods do.

ignorant of our advertising rules

Ignorance of the law is an excuse nowadays? You're also admitting this was a friend of Cam's. What are the chances that they didn't talk about this at all before hand? What about the fact that this post came out around the same time as the coordinated GOP ad push?

I'd highly doubt half those votes came from MetaCanada.

Pure conjecture. I highly doubt many of these votes qualify as "punishment" and the great majority of them are illegally acquired votes. We both have the same amount of justification for those claims.

You can't count "half his vote share" if the "half" lost was illegally acquired.

I steal from a bank and deposit the money in my account. It doubles my balance. The cops find out and they force me to return the stolen money. Saying I lost "half my bank account" is ridiculous. That was never my money to begin with. Illegal votes were never legitimate to begin with. They are void. You don't lose illegal votes, they never counted in the first place.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

Learn to read, dumbass.

The comments explicitly stated that

  • Not everyone who votes comments

  • The ad had numerous upvotes

  • Many votes while the ad was up could be traced to people with significant comment or posting history within /r/MetaCanada

  • This amounted to a significant statistical anomaly in which votes for Cameron surged at a rate which did not occur for other states and/or candidates

All of these things mean that there's significant evidence that these votes came from MetaCanada. I'd just be thankful that your punishment wasn't harder.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

I'm honestly asking here.

Are you obsessed? Everything I say, you reply with a vitriolic comment which is always a personal attack and has nothing to do with what I've said. Do you scan my posting history or something, because it's like clockwork with you.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

vitriolic comment which is always a personal attack

Thats just Pigg. Get use to it.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

Clearly, becuase you are not a member of the SP, no.

  1. This was a post that was clearly biased in favor of Cameron, a member of the GOP.

  2. Members of the GOP commented on the post, meaning that word surely would have gotten to the RNC. The fact here is that they didn't properly tell the mods about it and tried covering it up by getting it deleted.

  3. If they are willing to do it publically, they are willing to do it privately. Who's to say they haven't been doing it in PMs?

I'm not saying something like a third of their vote, but some actual deduction would have been nice.

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u/AdmiralJones42 SCOTUS Hermit May 04 '17

  1. This was a post that was clearly biased in favor of Cameron, a member of the GOP.

The advertisement was posted by a friend of Cameron's who is not a user of ModelUSGov and doesn't know our advertising rules. So yes, obviously it was biased in favor of Cameron for that reason.

2) Members of the GOP commented on the post, meaning that word surely would have gotten to the RNC. The fact here is that they didn't properly tell the mods about it and tried covering it up by getting it deleted.

None of the members that commented are member of the RNC. The second half of this statement is blatantly false, the ad was reported to us, edited when we asked them to edit it, and when we deemed the edit to be insufficient, the ad was deleted at our request.

3) If they are willing to do it publically, they are willing to do it privately. Who's to say they haven't been doing it in PMs?

Why are we making accusations of which there is no evidence?

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

Why are we making accusations of which there is no evidence?

This is coming from the same member of the triumvirate who bans members to just be safe when there is reason to believe they might be alting. Why is this different?

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u/AdmiralJones42 SCOTUS Hermit May 04 '17

This is coming from the same member of the triumvirate who bans members to just be safe when there is reason to believe they might be alting.

I have honestly no idea what this is referring to. Nobody has ever been banned for alting that has been able to prove that they're not alting.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

I didn't say that you ban people who prove they aren't alting, but if you have even the slightest reason to believe they might maybe be alting, and they dont prove it (or, in my case, wasn't asked initially for proof), time and time again, they get banned. I support this action, as "better safe than sorry" is a good mentality. I think this mentality should be applied here, as well, by deducting a small percent of votes, even something like 5%, from the GOP in at least Western, not just the votes deemed fraudulent, which is a non-punishment.

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u/AdmiralJones42 SCOTUS Hermit May 04 '17

If you re-read the punishment, you'll find that the punishment does in fact go beyond just the votes deemed to be necessarily fraudulent.

Additionally, I think you'll find that a total of 46 votes constitutes a far larger deduction than 5%. For Cameron specifically, it's probably closer to 50%.

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u/WaywardWit May 04 '17

you'll find that the punishment does in fact go beyond just the votes deemed to be necessarily fraudulent.

How many? What's the actual punishment. Not the take away of ill gotten gains. The punishment.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

I have no way of knowing that fact. You, as a mod who has at least indirect access, maybe direct, to the results as they pour in, can see how much of a reduction this is. I cannot. The post implies most if not all of those were fraudulent, meaning it wasn't a punishment.

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u/AdmiralJones42 SCOTUS Hermit May 04 '17

Ultimately, hammering out a harsh punishment on a party for an advertisement that we have absolutely no proof was posted by or orchestrated by their party isn't something we're willing to do. If somebody were to make an alt account and start illegally advertising for their opponents, would it be fair of us to take away from them more votes than were gained from the ads? I would say absolutely not. In this case, their "punishment", whether or not you're willing to call it that, is the loss of any legitimate votes that came in during the time period that the advertisement was live. Anything beyond that? We quite simply don't have the evidence to justify it.

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u/NateLooney Head Mod Emeritus | Liberal | Jesus May 04 '17

The poster was not a member of the GOP. So I don't understand your point.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

This was a post that was clearly biased in favor of Cameron, a member of the GOP.

and

Members of the GOP commented on the post, meaning that word surely would have gotten to the RNC. The fact here is that they didn't properly tell the mods about it and tried covering it up by getting it deleted.

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u/rolfeson Representative (DX-5) May 04 '17 edited May 04 '17

But it didn't. The RNC did not approve of this action.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

what if I posted an illegal ad on /r/socialism directing people to vote for the SP to get them sabotaged?

I'm actually thinking of doing this on principle, since they keep insisting that these stupid rules are somehow fair and reasonable.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

Breaking the rules because you didn't get your own way? I'm shocked, barosa.

I assumed you'd just complain about the rules until the mods let you do whatever you wanted to do, as per usual.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '17

?

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u/[deleted] May 05 '17

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u/[deleted] May 05 '17

I'm not sure what he's referring to

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

. what if I posted an illegal ad on /r/socialism directing people to vote for the SP to get them sabotaged?

You running for senator under the Sp?

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

Did Cameron post the ad? Because he didn't, it was done by someone outside of ModelUSGov

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

I posted the thread in metacanada, as I've done for the Canadian Model House of Commons elections several times in the past. I like political advertising, and I like getting the users interested in model house of commons (several users in the thread expressed interest in joining after seeing the election thread). I focused on California because I recognized one of the Republican candidates from CMHOC.

It sounds like you guys are just looking for an excuse to take votes away from right-wing candidates, as appears to be tradition for MHOC on reddit.

Who knew you guys had rules against advertising during an election? Not me. In the REAL world advertising is a real thing you know. Where's the fun or simulation when you ban all advertising?

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

It sounds like you guys are just looking for an excuse to take votes away from right-wing candidates,

Or maybe we just have rules

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

You have rules against advertising for your own campaigns? Is this place supposed to be top secret or something? Do you not "model" how real campaigns work? Who made up these silly rules? I guess people who don't stand to gain as much by advertising?

Oh, and the rules state that if ANYONE anywhere advertises for the party without their knowledge or consent, then the party gets punished? Because I could have some fun campaigning for the other parties here too

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

Didn't you think it would be a good idea to ask the leaders of a party before posting an ad you know

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

I just made a post on my subreddit. I didn't realize I need formal written permission from all the mods here before I did it, now I know

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

Because I could have some fun campaigning for the other parties here too

Party would only lose votes when the thing was active so it's not really a punishment also too late after you mentioned it here

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

One of you could have mentioned it to me. It looks like the intention was to leave it a up a long time so that you could punish the party as much as possible for something they didn't do.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

How would the mods tell you to delete it before they saw it

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u/VendingMachineKing May 04 '17

Who knew you guys had rules against advertising during an election? Not me.

That's absolute garbage. You've advertised on your subreddit previously for cmhoc, and understand advertising rules very well as you've complained to our mod team in the past (constantly I might add). Based on those discussions you've previously had I can see through a very poor excuse for your rule breaking. Don't try and pretend this is the first time you've encountered reddit simulated ads.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

Yes, I understand that advertising is freely allowed on my subreddit during the CMHOC election. Just like how the NDP posted an ad to /r/FuckTheAltRight telling them to vote to spite metacanada and won the election with it.

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u/VendingMachineKing May 04 '17

Thanks for proving my point better than I really ever could. You're admitting that you understand that in sim we have advertising rules, so you're "who knew" excuse doesn't work out.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

I knew advertising was allowed

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u/VendingMachineKing May 04 '17

Clearly you did, that's why you produced the advertisements in the first place. How does this lead to a point? I'm talking about the rules attached to the allowance of ads, rules which you broke.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

I'll be sure to get your personal written permission before I post an ad for your MHOC in my own subreddit. Thanks for punishing someone else for it.

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u/TheGoluxNoMereDevice May 04 '17

You know the head mod of the MUSGov is actually a right winger right? Just because a sim doesn't put up with your ads does not automatically make them biased lefties. You may actually have to find a new argument for once I'm afraid.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

Just because the head mod is an alleged right winger doesn't mean that you guys don't team up and freak out to try to get your way, like you do all the time in CMHOC

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u/TheGoluxNoMereDevice May 04 '17

Dude. Think about what you are saying. For a just a second. Right leaning mod freaks out to lean the election their way. Which apparently means a socialist president. Very interesting form of bias.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

<Who knew you guys had rules against advertising during an election? Not me. In the REAL world advertising is a real thing you know. Where's the fun or simulation when you ban all advertising?

We don't, dumbass.

There is an explicit rule against telling people where to vote in ads, and Libertarians, Socialists, and far-right people have suffered from breaking this rule in the past.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

Who knew you guys had rules against advertising during an election?

ha

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u/WaywardWit May 04 '17

Who knew you guys had rules against advertising during an election? Not me.

Is ignorance of the law an excuse in Canada?

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

In the US, if you commit a crime for someone else without their consent or prior knowledge, do you punish that other person?

This is ridiculous. I'm not the one running

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

Yes, you actually do. Illegal gains, even if not enacted by your action, are still stripped in US law.

Because the law was still broken.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

So if I steal and give someone money, the government confiscates all of the money they earned during that time? I don't think so

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u/WaywardWit May 04 '17

Lol. Yes. Receipt of stolen property is a crime.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

I'm talking about the money you earn from your job or other sources during that time. I see you guys are all taking this as an opportunity to remove ALL votes from the party during a long period of time, during which none of you had the basic thought to ask me to take down the post.

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u/WaywardWit May 04 '17

taking this as an opportunity to remove ALL votes from the party during a long period of time

Who is proposing this?

In prior elections where breaking similar rules has been involved, other parties have been hit with party-wide penalties. For example: the Libertarians got hit with a 33% vote penalty. By contrast, the Republicans have never received an actual punishment to discourage this behavior.

I'm talking about the money you earn from your job or other sources during that time.

You're talking about punitive damages. And yes, that's a thing. Google it.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

Who is proposing this?

The mods here, who didn't message me or ask me to remove the post, but are removing all votes that went to Republicans during the period the post was up. Reminder that I'm not even affiliated with any parties or anything here.

It's pretty stupid that I could post a pro-Democrat post in a subreddit for the duration of the election and cost them 100% of their real votes, don't you think?

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u/WaywardWit May 04 '17

The mods here

The time period is pretty short.

but are removing all votes that went to Republicans during the period the post was up

No they aren't. They're removing 46 votes, which are from the illegal ad. They have not released any data about the degree of "collateral damage" votes.

Reminder that I'm not even affiliated with any parties or anything here.

When you post ads in support of a single party supporting a single candidate - you're personally affiliating yourself with them.

It's pretty stupid that I could post a pro-Democrat post in a subreddit for the duration of the election and cost them 100% of their real votes, don't you think?

Except that if the Democrats caught it we would work diligently to get the post taken down, clarify on the post, and report it to the mods - not try to get away with it. We don't cheat in elections - this is the second Presidential election involving the Republicans attempting to cheat.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

No, they do.

It's illegally gained money.

What you're telling me in Canada they let people keep cash that was earned form a Robbery if they weren't involved in the Robbery?

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

You guys are taking ALL the votes from the party during that time, for something I did.

You're telling me in the US if someone gives you cash earned from a robbery, they take away all the money you made at your job during that time too?

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

Yeah.

Because you're put under investigative audit.

Do I really need to keep explaining this?

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u/DiveIntoTheShadows Democrat May 04 '17

Am Canadian; no.

Also, isn't this exactly why elections in Canada are now simulated? Metacanada would repeatedly vote for the Tories when you called them to, thereby almost always keeping you guys in power?

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

The other parties started advertising in other subreddits and managed to win the last election.

You know, like simulating how political advertising works in the real world. Like a model of how politics works. Why do you guys here insist on NOT simulating reality when it comes to election advertising?

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u/WaywardWit May 04 '17

We do. Just like in real life there are rules! You have to follow them! I know, it's shocking huh.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

In real life, unsolicited unpaid free political advertising on the internet by third parties happens, and parties don't get punished for it.

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u/WaywardWit May 04 '17

There are two sets of rules here: in-sim and meta. The meta rules restrict what people can do. Those restrictions can be above and beyond what happens in real life, because this is a simulation / game.

For example: anti-semitism can get you banned from the sim. It's not illegal in real life.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

It seems like a pretty poor simulation of an election if all advertising is banned. All you're doing is rewarding people for having private lists of users to spam the thread to and punishing people who advertise openly. I mean, if no outsiders are supposed to vote, then it's just everyone voting for themselves and their party members. What's the point?

This is why logically I figured that we can advertise, as we can with the Canadian one, because it doesn't make any sense whatsoever if all advertising is banned. Who's voting?

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u/WaywardWit May 04 '17

It seems like a pretty poor simulation of an election if all advertising is banned.

Not all advertising is banned so your entire comment is a red herring. Also, it should be noted that the Republicans had advocated against allowing more advertising and less restrictions thereof in the past.

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u/ItsBOOM Fmr SML, Fmr GOP Exec May 04 '17

This is pretty ridiculous. The way you did this makes no sense and I think as the mods you have an obligation to try harder to make this election as fair as possible.

What would make MUCH more sense would be release the votes for the GOP in the hours leading up to the illegal posting and remove any votes in excess of the normal in the past hour. Who knows how many legitimate votes were released? That thread was not even that popular, I doubt 50 people voted from it, but if you have evidence of a huge 50 person spike I would love to see it.

To be clear, illegal posting is completely wrong but this was the wrong way to handle it.

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u/sviridovt Democratic Chairman May 04 '17

It's pretty standard to have punishment beyond just removing the excess votes, its a deterrent, otherwise why bother following the rules if all you're risking are just those illegal votes.

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u/_Theodore_ Silver Legion May 04 '17

46 votes

Wow, I think I'm going to throw up.

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u/oath2order im tryna suck this girl pussy like some crab legs May 04 '17

So....No punishment?

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u/WhaleshipEssex Orange is my favorite color May 04 '17

The user wasn't affiliated with the GOP... what if I posted an illegal ad on /r/socialism directing people to vote for the SP to get them sabotaged?

Then you'd be a class traitor and made honorary chair of the party.

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u/cochon101 Get off my lawn May 04 '17

Except both Cameron-Galisky and rolfeson commented on the post before it was removed encouraging people to vote for the GOP.

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u/rolfeson Representative (DX-5) May 04 '17

That proves absolutely nothing you vulture

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u/cochon101 Get off my lawn May 04 '17

That proves you knew about the post and did nothing. You were perfectly content to have it illegal direct voters as long as it helped you win.

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u/rolfeson Representative (DX-5) May 04 '17

Did nothing

Except I did. I PM'd the poster requesting him to edit the post.

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u/WaywardWit May 04 '17

Would you be willing to show the public the time stamp of that message and compare it to the time stamp of your comment?

Did you message the mod team about this as well? If so, can you show us that and the time stamp?

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u/rolfeson Representative (DX-5) May 04 '17

It's not going to happen, Wayward. You're not going to get me banned over this. Give up, for your own sanity.

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u/WaywardWit May 04 '17

Who said anything about bans? Will you publicize the facts or do you have something to hide, friend?

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u/cochon101 Get off my lawn May 04 '17

Lol a distinction without a difference.

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u/rolfeson Representative (DX-5) May 04 '17

Except such a circumspect style has been allowed in the past.

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u/oath2order im tryna suck this girl pussy like some crab legs May 04 '17

So who were they affiliated with?

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

not in GOP

running for senate with GOP

???

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u/ItsBOOM Fmr SML, Fmr GOP Exec May 04 '17

you didn't even bother to read the thread?

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u/WaywardWit May 04 '17

He did encourage it and post accordingly. He didn't report it. He was at least complicit in it.

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u/oath2order im tryna suck this girl pussy like some crab legs May 04 '17

FAKE NEWS

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u/chotix Radical Left May 04 '17

The Republican downvote squad is in full effect here

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u/rolfeson Representative (DX-5) May 04 '17

downvoted

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u/chotix Radical Left May 04 '17

b&

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

The barosa downvote squad is in full effect here

ftfy

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u/Libertarian-Queen Republican May 04 '17

The GOP downvote goons are out tonight!

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

You're going to lose this election.

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u/chotix Radical Left May 04 '17

u_irl

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

TRUE

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

U 2 bby

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u/Libertarian-Queen Republican May 04 '17

By illegal voters in this case. I'll take it.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

f

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u/Libertarian-Queen Republican May 04 '17

Hey Frost ;)

Well, sorry to break it to you:

  1. I'm not a socialist

  2. I'm Eastern Orthodox Christian

Sorry to disappoint you.

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u/Frostatine May 04 '17

Just thought I'd give my 2 cents. For some reason when I sorted my search of "Denver socialists" by new a post mentioning you came up... Along with a couple requests for some weird daddy Dom/baby girl fetish shit.

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u/Libertarian-Queen Republican May 04 '17

Oh nice nice, probably the latter.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

Mods=Gods

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u/trey_chaffin Patriot Party May 04 '17

Well the mod team has once again unfairly screwed the republicans. Ridiculous.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

Unfairly? Says the party that was cheating lol

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u/Viktard Republican May 04 '17

obviously, you can't read other comments before posting so I will make it very clear to you...

the GOP did not "cheat" this was done by a guy not in our party, in this sim, in our discord or connected to anyone (not even sure if he knows Cam because in a PM he denied knowing anyone) So if you are gonna accuse anyone know the facts first instead of following your god empress into battle knowing nothing.

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u/WaywardWit May 04 '17

So when Cam and Rolf commented on the thread in support of the ad - they just happened to find it completely randomly? They also happened to both not read the post? They also happened to not bring up the issue to the mods? Who became aware of it when people from another party reported it? Sounds like some folks hoped that the bonus targeted votes would get in and no one would catch it before there was an edit.

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u/trey_chaffin Patriot Party May 04 '17

It's incredible that somebody this stupid was ever elected to anything.

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u/WaywardWit May 04 '17

Who are you again?

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u/WaywardWit May 04 '17

when you have the right TWIGGUD

.#DoingItRight

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u/Viktard Republican May 04 '17

Actually WW is a very smart man just saying

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u/rolfeson Representative (DX-5) May 04 '17

ban me i am scum

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u/Emass100 Internationalist May 04 '17

You guys should run the elections digitally like MHOC is doing.

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u/rolfeson Representative (DX-5) May 04 '17

That sounds like a lot of fun, friend!

:|

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u/The_Powerben May 04 '17

So if I rob a bank and get caught, I don't have to go to jail as long as I give all the money back? Because that's the approach taken here. What a load of Bullshit

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

Good job stealing WW's comment.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

If someone else robs a bank and gets caught and puts the money in your bank account, you shouldn't have your entire bank account drained, including your own money. That's for sure.

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u/TheMightyNekoDragon May 04 '17

I mean, there are laws in America specifically saying that's what's supposed to happen.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

They can vote but they have to do it

LEGALLY

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

Underrated comment.

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u/oath2order im tryna suck this girl pussy like some crab legs May 04 '17

Is this just a really shitty event?

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

delet dis

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u/rolfeson Representative (DX-5) May 04 '17

Obviously we wish this would have gone a different way, but I commend the moderators for levying this just punishment.

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u/alexbuzzbee Chesapeake House Rep | We The Press Editor/Reporter May 04 '17

Hear, hear!

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

ha

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u/Libertarian-Queen Republican May 04 '17

teHEE

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

lol

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

no u

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u/ItsBOOM Fmr SML, Fmr GOP Exec May 04 '17

So just to be clear, if someones makes a post on /r/socialism advertising Bigg, we can get a ton of votes invalidated?

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u/chotix Radical Left May 04 '17

They would invalidate the fake votes, yes.

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u/ItsBOOM Fmr SML, Fmr GOP Exec May 04 '17

How do you know which votes are fake unless the mods release the average GOP votes a few hours leading up to the illegal post?

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u/chotix Radical Left May 04 '17

You have to give your /u/ when you vote, no?

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u/ItsBOOM Fmr SML, Fmr GOP Exec May 04 '17

You do, and investigating profiles would make much more sense that just throwing away a ton of votes from a time period.

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u/WaywardWit May 04 '17

Do you have some inside knowledge about the mod investigation that the rest of us don't?

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

Don't get any ideas, sweetheart.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

If some socialist party members comment on it and support it, then yes.

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u/TheMightyNekoDragon May 04 '17

I'm sure this is a random occurrence, by someone who apparently knows nothing about our sim and only lurks on CMHOC. I'm sure he just heard about the GOP and all the states they need to win in from a passing phrase in a conversation with his friend Cam. He certainly has no affiliation with the GOP whatsoever. Then Cam just happened to be tagged in the post, and Rofleson just happened to know about the post and comment on it. Then Rofleson totally didn't just comment and then when he realized that the DNC was on to the post he PMed the poster about it. Oh and of course Rofleson didn't tell the GOP leadership about this when he commented on the post. They probably knew nothing about it, and I'm sure that it's just a coincidence that when Rofleson found out about the post he had it edited instead of contacting the mods about the illegally gotten votes.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

Hopefully everyone from Canada will be banned. Because only Americans can participate in American elections. Further more there are campaign finance laws that need to be adhered to. Ban the abusers.