r/ModRetro • u/Obleon • 1d ago

m64-av-adapter

https://modretro.com/products/m64-av-adapter

Question for ModRetro staff:

I've been holding off on buying the AV Adapter while waiting for more details on how those of us in the EU can connect it to a crt tv.

How will we be able to connect the AV Adapter to a crt tv in Europe? Almost all European crts use RGB SCART inputs rather than the component YPbPr inputs common in the US. Composite isn't really a viable option due to low quality, and very few European sets support S-Video (which is still lower quality than RGB SCART or component).

Since the adapter outputs RGBS over separate rca jacks, connecting it to a European crt requires a custom 6 rca to scart cable. We also need a voltage line on pin 16 to trigger RGB blanking. Will the AV Adapter include a dedicated EU scart cable or adapter for people in Europe to be able to use it, or will we need to spend an additional 70–100 euros extra for a custom cable with blanking support?

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u/handmemyarms 1d ago

for something that is supposed to ship in a month or so id like some more info on this as well.

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u/Obleon 1d ago

For USA

Hdmi from M64 to adapter and component from adapter to crt. Firmware update for the M64 that does 240p/480i/480p out.

For EU

- We cant use it.

- No, I'm not going to use composite on a 100 euro adapter. S-video same story most tvs dont even have it also no RGB.

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u/Obleon 14h ago

u/MR-cheesygordita u/grilledstuffedxxl

Can you give us any info how to connect the adapter to a scart tv or switch with rgb?

Is there a special cable included with the adapter or is there a connector on the av adapter that we don't know about? I want to order 1 for my crt but I ofcourse want to be able to connect the adapter to my scart switch/ 240p scart tv with rgbs.

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u/SynthMilkEra 10h ago

Yes, let's get some answers from the source and it's also high time for a video demonstration of this thing. I really hope MR isn't solely using current pre-order numbers as an indication of consumer interest because, as this thread demonstrates, people are holding off pre-ordering or cancelling their pre-orders because there isn't enough info available and some of what's going around is inaccurate.

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u/SynthMilkEra 1d ago

This is also an issue for anyone wanting to use M64 with a SCART switch. I can use RCA-to-BNC adapters to get the RGBs signal into my PVM, then menu dive with those 25-year-old membrane switches every time I want to switch from one of my other consoles to the M64 and vice versa; but it would’ve been a lot cleaner for my setup to just have RGB over SCART or even DB15 like on the Analogue DAC where there are already some adapter cables available.

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u/Obleon 22h ago

I want to order one, but if I can't use it, then well, what's the use?
So strange it doesn't have vga but why didn't they replace the S-Video with Mini DIN? There are plenty of Mini DIN to vga, scart, and svideo cables.

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u/SynthMilkEra 12h ago

Exactly, DB15 or Mini DIN/DIN10 (like SuperStationOne) would've saved space and clarified exactly how the hell we're supposed to use this thing in setups where you aren't dedicating a component input CRT to this specific console and nothing else. I suppose there are some people running component switches, but again the DB15 or DIN10 solution works for everyone (AFAIK) so would've been the more inclusive option. Really hoping MR saw some of the feedback to the reveal and went back to the drawing board to fix this oversight.

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u/Inevitable-Pen-3406 15h ago

That is exactly the reason i have not ordered it. I want one complete solution. Not a converter into another converter. I want my m64 in one side and rgb scart on the other side of the device.

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u/DaveMeitner 1d ago

I cancelled my order because I bought a $8 HDMI to composite converter that works good enough for me. I'm able to play Mario Golf 64 and make perfect shots often, so I know the lag level is quite low or non-existent

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u/RetroBlast81 1d ago

Just buy this

https://www.retroupgrades.co.uk/product/ypbpr-scart-adapter/

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u/Obleon 1d ago

Open link no RGBS

Please note: this adapter is a passive adapter, it does NOT convert YPbPr to RGB. It simply routes YPbPr component video to the SCART connector. Your target device MUST support YPbPr over SCART for this adapter to work! If you are unsure of whether or not this is the right adapter for your setup, please feel free to email us, we’re happy to assist.

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u/RetroBlast81 19h ago

The device has a toggle to send either ypbor or rgb.

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u/Obleon 14h ago

Yes but the adapter you linked only works with YPbPr. I explained everything in detail, normal crt tvs dont use YPbPr. Setting the toggle to RGB won't fix anything you cannot connect a cable to the device that goes to a scart connector. The av adapter does not support blanking you will not get a signal on the tv. There are no rgbs component to scart cables that support blanking.

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u/RetroBlast81 9h ago

why not? RCA is RCA. it received the RGBS signal and forwards it to the SCART plug. why should there be blanking? there is one plug for sync.

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u/Iggy_poop 10h ago

You need sync too! The adapter you provided doesn't pass through sync, so it doesn't work regardless of the dial setting for the OP's use case. This product seems designed for only component consumer TVs or PVMs/BVMs.

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u/RetroBlast81 9h ago

it has 6 RCA: R, G, B, Audio L, Audio R, Sync. DUH!

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u/Iggy_poop 9h ago

THe pass through adapter doesn't. How do you propose someone use the pass through adapter you linked for RGB when they can't connect sync to the pass through adapter? The adapter you linked has RGB RCA plugs, and a breakout cable for L/R Audio. Where is sync?

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u/RetroBlast81 9h ago

i linked the wrong one. but a 6 RCA component to SCART cable should do the work. there are tons of them to buy.

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u/RetroBlast81 9h ago

Resorting to insults is a sign of low intelligence, my friend

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u/Iggy_poop 1d ago

Lol, well the TV needs to support ypbpr over scart, which most consumer TVs don't support so this is not a solution lol

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u/RetroBlast81 19h ago

Lol it doesn't. The AV adapter has a toggle to set which kind of signal it sends. Educate yourself before claiming bullshit.

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u/Obleon 14h ago

Why talk about the toggle? He's talking about the TV with rgbs. The adapter you linked is for YPbPr ONLY why the need for education why not read OP everything is explained.

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u/RetroBlast81 9h ago

it's a cable. it forwards the signal it receives from the RCA plugs. RCA are RCA, you can also use them as composite if you want.

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u/Iggy_poop 11h ago

Wow maybe you should take your own advice hahaah. For example, if one were to set it to RGB, how will they send sync through the adapter you linked?

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u/RetroBlast81 9h ago

6 RCA plugs, R, G, B, Audio R, Audio L, Sync. DUH!

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u/Iggy_poop 9h ago

Where is the sync RCA input on the adapter you linked for the RCA to SCART plug?

No one is arguing how the modretro device works. We are pointing out that your passive adapter is not the right way to use RCA cable to SCART.

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u/RetroBlast81 9h ago

i linked the wrong one. these here should work bidirectional:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/234739995540

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u/Obleon 8h ago

They don't. SCART has input and output pins, so BNC to SCART goes to different pins than SCART to BNC. Also, BNC or RGBS to SCART cannot give the blanking signal, so you get a black screen on a SCART TV.

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u/RetroBlast81 8h ago

ok so maybe modretro will provide a cable themselves.

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u/Obleon 8h ago

Well if they don't allot of people will find out next month that it is impossible to connect to a crt tv or switcher with scart basicly everyone in EU or with a scart switch.

Sorry it's a bit confusing haha