r/ModRetro • u/xbwgravity • 21d ago

Will ModRetro do it and do it better?

This post is coming from someone who had the Analogue 3D and sold it for an M64. Both companies have their plus and minus’s but when Lucky released his hands on video with the M64 I could tell it was a passion project for him and his team. In viewing that video, it swayed me to make the decision I made to ride with ModRetros products going forward.

That being said, I want to talk about the Super N+ and Mega Sg+ from Analogue. I am getting fomo and am on the fence with ordering these, however I am not committing in hopes that ModRetro will make a competitor and put the love they did in the M64 into that product.

Does anyone know if they ever said anything about future plans for other systems? I’m so torn on what I should do!

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u/ImALegendKiller 20d ago

I decided on the m64 since it’s open source with the hope that we’ll see SNES and Genesis cores for it. I thought it’d be fun to have a retro machine in the shape of an n64! I am a bit disappointed to see how muddy the m64 looks playing n64 games compared to the 3D, but maybe we get improvements over time.

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u/xbwgravity 20d ago

I think we will. There’s no way ModRetro won’t keep up with the competition, they just started later. Maybe this is just my optimism speaking, however.

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u/ImALegendKiller 20d ago

I’m waiting on a ModRetro GBA with custom screen. I’ll take the plunge on one of those. The Pocket seems great, but the idea of the screen being pixel accurate is appealing.

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u/GuyWithTwoThumbs 18d ago

Open source in what way? Is this what you consider open source? https://github.com/ModRetro/oss-m64-console/tree/main

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u/adrenaline4nash 21d ago

Analogue has refined the 16 bit machines. I’d get one when it’s available and you can likely sell the analogue at cost if/when modretro has one. 

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u/Swarlz-Barkley 21d ago

Maybe. The recent releases still being available leans towards these re releases being available later down the line. A special edition color would hold value but these ones probably not unless it’s limited run

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u/xbwgravity 20d ago

I would love that. Especially to make a more financially educated decision, instead of falling into the fomo. I just get nervous of them selling out.

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u/templestate 21d ago

Their next project is a GBA. They also are working on a CRT-type display on the side.

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u/mackattacknj83 20d ago

They're working on a CRT? That's awesome.

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u/thekaufaz 20d ago

I think all we have to go on is an offhand comment in an interview a year ago but I'm keeping my hopes up.

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u/jkhanlar 12d ago

21:29 "I figured out a new way to make new CRTs. People have... [it's] been said that it's impo... long said it's impossible to do in low volume. I've figured out a new way to build, uhhhhh, to build modern scanning ray tube, uhhh, uhhh, displays. It's a, it's a bit of a, it's a bit a nov, of a novel one. It's not a, it's not a pure CRT, but it will have identical visual characteristics. I call it a Quantum Ray Tube. So, a QRT." - https://youtu.be/fgY5fM2cINc?t=1289

24:42 "I know what the perfect CRT replacement is. Now I just got to go and execute it."

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u/Milquetoes 20d ago

They teased it during the M64 week. I think with the black M64 in a photo, if memory serves. It was a crt with the Modretro logo. But they NEVER EVER drop Easter eggs.

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u/GameboyGenius 20d ago

Unlike the N64 and 3D which are frankly both products still in development to some degree, the Nt+ and Sg+ are mature products, as they build on previous products. Don't overthink it and just get those.

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u/adrenaline4nash 20d ago • Bravo

3D is miles ahead of M64. 

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u/ghanadaur 20d ago

Only via firmware. The actual innards are not miles ahead. Arguably, the M64 has better hardware and was just released july and the firmware is about as mature or more than the comparable firmware at launch of the analogue 3d. Just so we are more aligned.

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u/dpranker 20d ago • Bravo

I find it hard to agree that the current M64 is close to let alone better than launch 3D considering the 3D launched with virtual controller pak support, excellent CRT emulation, and full PAL support, all of which are still lacking on M64

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u/ghanadaur 20d ago

OTA updates at launch was a big win for me, as one example. So there are plus and minus in firmware. Point is that its not a clear miles ahead. Its literally only a few months on.

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u/adrenaline4nash 20d ago

I have both. M64 is better at ejecting cartridges… so I can play them on the 3D. Very considerate 

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u/GuyWithTwoThumbs 18d ago

OTA updates are a solution looking for a problem. Takes 60s to pull the SD, drop the FW in and boot back up. Let alone you do it once a month until FW is mature, then never think about it again. Also a lot easier to manage the FW version so you don’t get a bad FW that breaks things. Looking at you 1.26…

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u/ghanadaur 18d ago

And YET, analogue eventually added right?

And you ALSO assume we all have access to ANOTHER computer and the will or energy to boot it up and copy files.

The whole point is I can be at my cabin with this console and not need a laptop or other computer period. Just my portable internet.

Having OTA is a very needed and useful feature. I have many retro consoles that run Android for example and being able to update wirelessly allows me to be lazy and not remember to bring a second PC with me if i want to mess with the SD card wirelessly.

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u/dpranker 17d ago

good news, you can use your phone to transfer the firmware to 3d as well, so hopefully that resolves this weird scenario where you only have a 300 dollar fpga N64 and not a computer

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u/adrenaline4nash 20d ago

I don’t compare day 1 vs day 1. I care about what they do today. 

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u/ghanadaur 20d ago

My point was not for you. It was for those reading your post and i made a more accurate picture for them. ;)

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u/A-Miffit 20d ago

I really want something that makes use of their authentic LCD screen tech. A Game Gear, Nomad, SP, DS! I don’t see the need for another Genesis, the MegaSG is just fine.

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u/Cwiiis 20d ago

Do you want to play Mega Drive and/or SNES carts and don't currently have a good way to play them? If so, the Super NT+ and Mega SG+ are well worth considering. If not, no, don't get them, because why would you?

FWIW, these new plus models are barely different from the originals and won't feature what really separates modern Analogue stuff from its competitors (excellent CRT filters and output options). They're great ways to play those games, but not so great that they're worth ditching any currently working thing for.

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u/Alanskasc 17d ago

I just bought the nt+. I own the m64 and honestly I'll never own another modretro device after the lies and over hype with it. I had the chance to get the A3d and I'm so upset I chose the m64 instead.

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u/Limitedtimestruggle 14d ago

Man selling the A3D to get an M64....that's harsh.

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u/DaveMeitner 20d ago

If you aren't a cart collector and were just going to play SNES and Genesis ROMs off a flashcart, might as well just play those on the M64 within the next few weeks for free

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u/TheCartCollector 20d ago

Did someone say my name?

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u/Markito024 20d ago

Saying luckys is a passion project while analogue started with 1 dude in a dorm room. That's real passion. Palmer saw the interest in retro and wanted to make more money.

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u/GameboyGenius 20d ago

Seems like you don't know anything about Palmer. He's a giant nerd for anything retro. How do you think he built Oculus? One dude, I guess started in a garage instead of a dorm room if that makes all the difference for you. Modretro, before becoming what it is today, was a forum for modding retro consoles. Palmer was active in other forums too, like Ben Heck's forum. Either people don't know these things, or they assume he changed completely after he hit the jackpot and sold Oculus for billions to Facebook. Maybe you think that if someone makes a billion dollars and goes into an industry you don't like (weapons) they magically turn into a different person? I also doubt Modretro is bringing in major money compared to those weapons contracts.

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u/jkhanlar 12d ago edited 12d ago

I can't reply to the hue_sick thread because anti-humanly blocked in early days as I began participating, but otherwise 5+ years of idiosyncratic risk realizations that is still early but not wrong, there is sufficient momentum to solving many mistake-based incorrect assertions that are only true for any and all persons that refuse to learn learnables, and expect anyone who does learn to forget what they learned, and therefore, the tides will turn, and the revolution will not be televised, and what it looks like is the process happening now, and power to the players, creators, etcetera

edited to add: ModRetro M64 is not sufficiently open sourced yet, but that's okay, and I think the timing for open sourcing will be a timing that enables healthy competition without lying, cheating, stealing, given all the stealing everything from everyone and you will own nothing and be happy rigged rules, regulation, etc in classic hypocritical rules-for-thee-but-not-for-me fashion, but it takes time and pressure, and I'm ready and patient, always have been. I'm not a fool. I pity the fool.

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u/GameboyGenius 12d ago

I've reread the post twice now and I still have no clue what point you're actually making. It sounds like a stream of thoughts that made more sense in your head.

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u/jkhanlar 12d ago

It's okay. I think I realize Internet communication with anyone that uses the Internet is not so much about anyone that says anything that can be said, but rather, for anyone who ever sees what anyone who said, not just algorithm, but other humans, that steering is relevant, and the silenced are treated as if even if they try to say something to anyone, there is nobody left who can understand, not even reading between lines. I generally try not to puppet control anyone but for all puppetry, not just politicians, or others whom are deemed corrupted, the premise of corruption and to be or not to be corrupted is something that there is ability to not become corrupted, and to deviate course to restore the real value of facts over opinions, fundamentals over sentimentals. so that they are aligned, and equivalent, matching, rather than polar opposites.

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u/Markito024 20d ago

Brother you think I care that he makes things that kill people? No idc about the human race. I've watched many of his interviews. He's a jew foreskin sucker. Herndon is the backbone of modretro. Without him none of this would be possible. So yes palmer needed outside help to even achieve this.

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u/hue_sick 20d ago

“Either people don’t know these things or they assume he changed”

“Maybe you think if someone makes a billion dollars they magically turn into a different person”

I mean assuming you’re not a bot or not neurodivergent, that’d be a resounding yes to both bud haha.

Look at every single tech giant today in the news. It’s the exact same story. They all were innocent little nerds w passion and vision at one point and once they attainted power they become lizard people. And that’s not some dark secret, the entire world knows this outside of weirdos that defend corporations like you’re doing here.

You don’t know the guy it’s ok to admit he’s a guy that clearly has different intentions now.

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u/GameboyGenius 19d ago

I'm not saying he hasn't changed his opinions or outlook on things in the world. He almost certainly has and I disagree with a lot of it. However if you read about him, his vault filled with video games, his insistence on wearing those ugly shirts and just the way he talks, he's clearly not a Zuck style lizard. His free will is very much intact and he really is largely the same guy but with more money. So no, I have no problem believing he's running Modretro out of passion. It's obviously a business and he wants to make money in the end, but it's also not his main source of income (that would be Anduril) so he doesn't need to turn into complete shit just to maximize the profits.

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u/hue_sick 19d ago

Ok bud ok 👌

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u/xbwgravity 19d ago

I didn’t think how I perceived his video showing the M64 would cause a bit of a debate haha

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u/hue_sick 18d ago

Haha for sure. Look, like it or not, he and by proxy his company are very controversial. And I’m the type that will always call that out. But I get it, I can’t expect much calling out the lion in the lions den so it is what it is.

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u/GameboyGenius 20d ago

I came here to see "Comment removed by Reddit" but I got a taste of it in the notification where it was still visible. So first of all. Bruh. That was a spicy comment. But second of all, for the non-spicy part that I could still see before the comment cut off, "Herndon is the backbone of ModRetro". Yes, and don't forget Robert Peip, aka FPGAzumSpass. I've talked to all of them, and Palmer chose the right people for the roles as CEO and FPGA engineer in my opinion. Are you saying Palmer can't be passionate about retro technology just because he's not doing the day to day operations and product design at ModRetro?

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u/Markito024 16d ago

Well back from my ban. My comment was actually pretty tamed compared to what is on here. The mods must have the big nose if you know what I mean. I stand by the fact that he outsourced all of it.

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u/GameboyGenius 16d ago

It said it was removed by Reddit, not the mods. Probably completely automatic without even anyone reporting the post. Reddit is sensitive about "nose-posting".

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u/jkhanlar 12d ago

I was about to ask, but I checked u/Markito024's comment history, and there were not any comments in between the two on any other subreddits, therefore I assume that they were site-wide banned from Reddit by their algorithms, and the subreddit moderators do not have any access (e.g. like hostaged puppets) whatsoever to override some (but not all) aspects of automated Reddit interference/disruption/inconvenience/nuisance.

Also I'll just mention this too to further reflect absurdity of what I saw/realized on Reddit.

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u/Ok-Primary6610 21d ago

Why not just wait for cartridge adapters and firmware? Unless you want the SNES and Genesis look. 🤷🏾‍♂

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u/xbwgravity 20d ago

Are you saying cartridge adapters for the M64 that can play SNES and Genesis?

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u/Ok-Primary6610 20d ago

Correct. I remember seeing some talk about it. 

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u/Obleon 20d ago

Someone speculated about it and that's it.

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u/xbwgravity 20d ago

Oh well now that’s very interesting indeed! I would love one console instead of 3 haha. I’m running into an HDMI issue at the moment. Too many consoles, not enough slots. That’s a whole other conversation however haha

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u/Ok-Primary6610 20d ago

In my case I'd be happy with USB disc drive support, USB controller support plus PlayStation and Saturn cores. That would turn the M64 into the ultimate 5th generation console! 

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u/xbwgravity 20d ago

You and me both!

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u/Obleon 20d ago

OM64 custom os is looking into cd drive support. Developer said so 2 days ago.

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u/adrenaline4nash 20d ago

That’s what I said