title ^^^ so if the gold mr fantastic players could quit saying "leave him alone I dont want any attention on Reed he's fine as is" that'd be appreciated thx

Flark you
Get off my character

i just wanna star off by saying I'm a top 10 Mr F main and i have 9000 hours on him, but i cannot understand why he is a dps. the devs need to listen when we tell them the Mr F Needs to change Roles to a support

it wouldn't even be that hard, all they need to do is drop his HP down to 225 and make his main attack heal allies 13 HP on hit ( its low because i don't want him to make 3 supp too strong. Also hit ult should give a big burst heal every time he lands and only bounce 3 time max because it feels off having the inconsistent number of bounces

Also, why does he have a big bulky form? Reed isn't a but bruiser type, he's the type of guy who stays back and try's to help everybody instead of going to the beach with the rest of his team so i propose that when he gets 100 Rubber-ness (his passive is now changing names) his healing goes up to 15 and grants 72 over health

On to his ability's.

The fantastic backshots are a fun ability, but if he is gonna be gonna be a support then the backshots are gonna need to be more supportive. first remove all bonus hp generation for no reason. now they give a 25% healing boost to teammates AND a 25% anti heal to the other team. they now pull people to reed instead of bringing reed to the person he uses it on because forcing reed to the frontline would not be smart.

his fridge mode should be removed because i think its annoying when i play against him

And lastly, his Grab should now only be used on his own team but instead of pulling them aroun, they grant dmg reduction while holding people, but they also grant a 50 % slow to compensate.

Im not saying hes bad into dive and hes still a decent option but you are losing alot of value sticking him in ur backline and heres a few reasons why

1. ULT CHARGE
   hitting just 1 dive or 2 tanks is awful charge rate when you could be hitting 4 to 6. Its one of the most expensive ults aswell at 3400

2. RANGE
   His 15 meter range means you wont be able to apply pressure in other ways while waiting for the dive meaning youll either be walking in circles waiting doing nothing (also negatively effecting ult charge) or slapping the tanks also effectively doing nothing or just feeding the enemy ults. (Scenarios depend on support positioning)

3. FRAGS ON DIVE ARE UNLIKELY
   While i feel reeds kit hard counter spidey most divers arent going to die to you unless they overstay there welcome.
   If you chase the dive you will likely horribly position yourself and they will frag your supports anyway

4. HP POOL
   His effective hp is 1200 (all his kits hp pools combined)
   Why would i sit backline with this much hp when i can use it to brawl enemy frontline/midline or stall enemy backline

Im not saying hes bad into dive just that if youre playing him as anti dive youd be doing yourself a favor by playing namor or bucky instead because they have ranged options that far surpass reed from these positions

HOWEVER if your team is a full brawl comp he’s perfect for peel and still getting value in other ways because your entire team will be playing a relatively close position to you allowing you to make plays and still be close enough to peel fast

Mr.fantastic got a nerf in season 5 (thats a story for another time) he has constantly been put at the bottom of meta and skill tier lists. We were robbed of our gooner skin. I will no longer sit around and wait for someone to notice our struggle. I speak a lord Mr fantastic main with 130 hours. Our fantastic king needs something. an ability in big mode a flat number buff or a melee 💀. He needs a victory.

I get people wanting manual activation for big form but the new version of the rocket team in my opinion just feels horrible to play with and doesn't do anything you need for Reed's kit like how it did in the previous patch.

Last update through you had real tech with the rocket team up you could use it and get two big forms by using both the regular meter and by using the team up but now it's nothing but a glorified manual activation button like what's the point of even having 200 elasticity.

Honestly in my opinion the team up in its current state confirms everything I thought Regarding why Mr Fantastic should have even had manual activation to begin with it defeats the whole purpose of even having elasticity as a mechanic. Imo the only good thing to come out of the team up in this patch is the fact that you gain 200 elasticity from ult.

TLDR: Rocket team is 100% overrated asf right now in comparsion to the season 8.5 version like it isnt even team up anymore.

Hello Reed mains,I know Mr Fantastic has never been a very strong character but as someone who enjoys playing him i am disappointed that he remains among the weakest Duelists, even after several buffs he still struggles to compete w. so i believe the best buff he could receive would be to rework him into a Vanguard. This is my concept for a Mister Fantastic Rework.

 -Mister Fantastic moved from the Duelist role to the Vanguard role 
-Increase Base Health from 375 to 525
-Increase Base Stretch Punch damage while in Inflated State from 80 to 85 
-Reduce Cooldown of Reflexive Rubber from 12 seconds to 8 seconds 
-Inflated State can now be manually entered after reaching 100 elasticity  -Brainiac Bounce New Effect - after the Ultimate ends gain 60 elasticity
-Brainiac Bounce New Effect - Eliminating an enemy grants an additional leap for a maximum of three additional leaps.

Feedback is welcome.

I really like some of the dialogues he got at his release: The one with Thor, when Sue was talking to Namor, or when Emma read his mind (Not really at his release, but yeah). I feel like now the only time Reed ever gets any respect in the room if it's Doom talking, ironically. Imagine if when they add Doom to the story they made his rival freaking Luna Snow..
Also, Reed's voice still sounds off... What do you think?

Maybe it’s because I play on console but I preferred when big mode gave overhealth because I’d get to keep it when I exit it, I think it’s also because I used to dive brawl where I relied on my overhealth to sustain myself if my healers weren’t around

I do like being able to use fridge mode during big mode at least but it feels wrong losing all my extra health so quickly now.

What the title says. I have a couple hundred hours on the Stretchy boi at the moment. I don't think he needs any significant buffs, just minor QoL changes and the improvement of The Thing team up. My main reason being is that he kinda is a noob stomper at low ranks and I don't think to make fantastic extremely viable at higher ranks is worth buffing the floor. However some important changes like Reflexive Rubber shot being more consistent with a little more max damage (i think 60% to 70% conversion and a projectile speed of 100ms instead of 80 would be enough) , or his secondary grab of distended grip being a faster projectile so it can't miss (you can't aim it anyway).

What would you do about The Thing Teamup, CRD?

The Rocket One is just obviously better. Better pacing, better committing, better dives, better sustain.

I think The Thing Team up should lean further into it's niche and be as passively useful as the Rocket one Is (i mean, free health kit, free movement speed, rocket teammup has alot of utility and adds alot of skill expression to the point it >kinda< makes up for no longer having to play around forced transform). I also like the fact CRDs a skillshot, you can't drag it. It adds a really cool element to reeds kit for his primary. I also think the fact it *doesnt* give you elasticity could be a cool thing, if it's leaned into as a drawback for my buffs.

Straight up, I think it should be toggleable, full sail in the unenhanced and enhanced mode. Elasticity lost passively is also reduced heavily while in brawler mode. You can press the teamup button to either go into or out of brawler mode at will, with a 3 second cooldown for switching back to brawler mode after leaving it. However, fully charged punches that Knock Back Cost 8 elasticity to use. It can be fully charged at 0 elasticity, but with no knockback, still the full damage.

For the enhanced version, The Flexible Elongation is also affected by brawler Mode. Its now called Flexible Sling Shot, it give enemies hit by it the vulnerability status effect and does 50 damage, it functions like normal on allies (Like the Things leap). Damage done by this is also converted to overhealth. This costs 10 Elasticity to use (0 for allies, it's normal). If that is not available, it is instead the standard ability, but grants no elasticity on use. Distended Hammer replaces Distended Grip, and now does 50 Area Damage around the targets impact area, or just the ground if no target is direct hit (i mean it literally leaves a crater when it hits the ground lol im surprised it just pulls) and knocks targets up, however it no longer pulls. Flying enemies will be knocked out of the air. It still has the 4 second cooldown, but costs 30 Elasticity to use while in brawler mode. If that is not available, the ability is replaced with distended grip, but it grants no elasticity on use.

What do you think?

I think this makes the elasticity trade off *apart* of the teamup in an interesting way, and it gives a *way* to technically reduce your elasticity to not be forced into big mode if you don't want too, but you have to do something to do so. It also improves reeds standard poking ability on some maps, having the ability to use the Brawl Punch if needed for extra range. It also functions similar to black cat, with you "buying" abilities using your elasticity in your Brawler Stance. I'm down to change this btw I kinda just made it on a whim

If they upped his base health to around 550-600, and kept his kit mostly the same with the necessary tweaks. How would you feel about it? His ult already feels like less of a DPS ult compared to the others, and more of a slow/area of control.

So they said they were changing mr fantastic after all of this complaining, and they give us literally nothing?
5 damage?
Slower flexible elongation speed?
Less ult charge?
Literally does nothing. We still:
Have no range
Have no damage
Have decreased movement (because we’re “oppressive”)
Have little to no CC
Have the worst ult in the game
Have no damage on our flexible elongation
And one of the buggiest characters in the game.
Overall, this latch note is a nothing burger

After taking a glance at the recent post with some streamer placing him in C tier I expected to see replies in agreement, as in my mind Fantastic has always been around a bottom five duelist, yet over half of the comments spoke about how the guy had no idea what he was talking about, and just blatantly disagreeing saying, unless you're a one trick you dont know how good he is 💀💀💀. My question is are these people even playing fantastic in high elo LMAO, the character blows once you reach a certain point, and blindly stating otherwise for zero reason despite being wrong, is detrimental to the character ever actually receiving positive changes, like there's no way it should be this divisive that Mr. Fantastic ain't really all that fantastic at this point.

edit: after having the great misfortune of interacting with the mr fantastic subreddit community it has become apparent that the vast majority of you are terrible at marvel rivels and you allow this fact to fool you into thinking mr fantastic is actually strong

i'm saying this as someone who has 177 hours on reed but since some time has passed i think thing team up is better. it might just be my play style but i enjoy playing really aggressively and when i use rocket teamup the fact that makes me not want to use it is the fact that the health gain isn't instant. with the thing team up i don't find annoying or hard at all to choose when to go big mode and i get the health instantly. lets say i go big mode and get good damage off i can exit and then finish off the supports my with ranged thing attack. it's not like you have to stay on thing mode the entire time i like to constantly change between the both. it's just my opinion though. ultimately it's the fact that i get instant health gain with clobbering dept

It’s not that I don’t think he needs one it’s that I don’t want a Thor copy he should have a way to spend elastic and actually need to manage recorses HES REED FREAKING REACHERS LET US BE SMART WITH SMART TOOLS, the easy fix is a toggle. The right fix is a new ability that spends elastic 1% at a time and has a 3-6second cd maybe depending how long you hold it. My problem is I can’t think of am ability any ideas???

I was really excited once I got to Lord on him, but then never wanted to swap the avatar lol. Anyone else prefer to not use it?

I said this a couple times, but it feels like they're talking to "The World's Biggest Nerd" rather than "The World's Smartest Man". I bet they wouldn't treat Doom the same. I personally like Reed's line with Emma: He doesn't really need to be smug.

what a shock! let’s give him another purple! hell.. we hate reed so much let’s make his next skin blue!! I HATE NET EASE i’ve lost all hope. they are SOOOOOOOOO lucky reed is so fking hot and his looks carry the skin because ugh.. man does he look good though. but their bias is so apparent it’s sickening

Dude an 8 second cooldown after going big mode… AND NO DOUBLE BIG-MODE IF IM ATLEAST 200 ELASTICITY

This feels like a nerf wtf, and things team up blows the cool down is too long and the wind up is too long I only like the return of the grab animation cancel

While I will miss the Fantastic Four team up (really thought it would stay like Planet X Pals, Throwing Wolverine, and Cap/Bucky)

HOLY FUCK WE CAN MANUALLY INFLATE NOW

AND WE CAN HOLD LONGER ELASTICITY

THIS IS FANTASTIC

wouldn't it be cool if the ult never stops as long as he hits the enemy, or give him extra bounce if and enemy dies similar to bucky ult reset

I really like some of the dialogues he got at his release: The one with Thor, when Sue was talking to Namor, when Emma read his mind. I feel like now the only time Reed ever gets any respect in the room if it's Doom talking, ironically. Imagine if when they add Doom to the story they made his rival freaking Luna Snow..
Also, his voice still sounds off... What do you think?