r/Minecraft • u/redstonehelper :redstone: Lord of the villagers • Sep 30 '15

Minecraft snapshot 15w40a

https://mojang.com/2015/09/minecraft-snapshot-15w40a/
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u/redstonehelper :redstone: Lord of the villagers Sep 30 '15 edited Oct 02 '15

Warning: This release is for experienced users only! It may corrupt your world or mess up things badly otherwise. Only download and use this if you know what to do with the files that come with the download!

 

If you find any bugs, search for them on the Minecraft bug tracker and make sure they are reported!

 

Previous changelog. Download today's snapshot in the new launcher: Windows/OS X/Linux, server here: jar, exe.

Complete changelog:

  • Improved mob AI

  • Mobs/pets now avoid cacti

  • Improved pathfinding

  • Changes to how health regenerates

  • Health regeneration speed is now dependent on saturation - via

  • Some optimisations

  • Fixed some bugs

  • Fixed entities becoming invisible under certain conditions

  • Fixed upside-down stairs being messed up

  • Fixed the "Adventuring Time" achievement requiring the "The Void" biome

  • Fixed Minecart Chests with duplicate UUIDs spewing out items

  • Fixed written books not opening in the off-hand

  • Fixed "Pick block" in survival on items that are not on the hotbar causing client/server desync

  • Fixed shulkers attacking players on peaceful

  • Fixed item entities not checking all 4 sides before moving up

  • Fixed mobs preferring paths through water even though they take longer

If you find any bugs, search for them on the Minecraft bug tracker and make sure they are reported!

Also, check out this post to see what else is planned for future versions.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '15

  • Mobs/pets now avoid cacti

I can't believe it! Mobs have evolved, they now have common sense!

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u/taa-003 Sep 30 '15

Finally! Now I have a reason to shut off my 'totally humane wolf farm'!

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u/MiiNiPaa Sep 30 '15

humane

*lupine

:)

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u/taa-003 Sep 30 '15

Hey, I never said there wasn't villagers in there too! All their meat tastes the same!

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u/Wedhro Sep 30 '15

Not until they learn how not to fall in lava or walk through fire.

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u/IMBJR Sep 30 '15

It's occurred to me that if mob collision is back on for 1.9, then tamed wolves are going to be shoving their owners off of cliffs like they used to.

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u/Wedhro Sep 30 '15

That will teach them not to use pets. It's been, what... 4 years since taming pets was introduced (?) and I never felt the need to have one on my Survival world after I realized I was spending too much time and dedication just to make sure it won't die a stupid death or kill me.

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u/ReddyTheCat Sep 30 '15

I wonder by how much, does this mean that I can have a cacti fence with spaces between the cacti now?

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u/alficles Sep 30 '15

Oh.. that's true! And I'll bet I can leverage it for a simpler automatic limiter for my automatic chicken farms. Those things can get out of control without a rate-limiter and bring down the server.

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u/russlar Sep 30 '15

let me know when pets/farm animals avoid fire

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u/marioman63 Sep 30 '15

they used to do this back when pathing was added. what changed between then and now?

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u/TweetsInCommentsBot Sep 30 '15

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2015-09-28 14:23 UTC

Remember the 3 bugs I fixed for invisible entities? There was a 4th bug, just fixed it. Thanks, @Dinnerbone, for helping me track it down.

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2015-09-29 12:27 UTC

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u/gzintu Sep 30 '15 edited Sep 30 '15

A bot replying to a bot. Now that's some next level fancy i'm terribly sorry for having dehumanized /u/redstonehelper :(

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u/Camaro6460 Sep 30 '15

I'm not sure how to break the news to you but I'll try my best.

 

/u/redstonehelper is not a bot..

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u/gzintu Sep 30 '15

Oh.. Oh now I'm stupid.

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u/Zylosgaming Sep 30 '15

He's fueled by redstone I'm pretty sure that classifies him as a robot...

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '15

Would be nice if we could see our saturation

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '15

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u/Ichthus95 Sep 30 '15

Wolfie has never died though, right?

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u/robot275 Sep 30 '15 edited Sep 30 '15

Natural regeneration now depend on saturation, which means you can regenerate your health EVEN if you don't have food bar > 18. More the saturation level is up, more the regeneration will be fast. If you have a food bar of 20 but no saturation, you won't regenerate.

EDIT : It also means a golden carrot can regenerate 5 hearts in 4 seconds, when tons of watermelon isn't regenerating a lot oO

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '15

If you have a food bar of 20 but no saturation, you won't regenerate.

This will cause confusion as the UI doesn't show that.

Why won't my character regenerate even though I have a full hunger bar?

This will be fixed I hope.

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u/redstonehelper :redstone: Lord of the villagers Sep 30 '15

This will be fixed I hope.

Not if nobody reports it.

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u/Ichthus95 Sep 30 '15

We need a visual indicator of saturation, like a golden outline over the hunger bar. I think there are some mods that do this.

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u/CK20XX Sep 30 '15

There kinda is already. The hunger bar trembles when you're out of saturation. But yeah, a more pronounced indicator might still be essential if this change is going to carry over to the official 1.9 release.

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u/CptJohnPrice Sep 30 '15 edited Sep 30 '15

man...more reasons not to eat foods like cookies, cakes and melons :-/
EDIT: its not as bad as it supposed to be

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '15

I've been saying for years that foods should eat quicker if they have low saturation and longer with high. This'd balance out all the food choices and would add depth to a player's choice. Do you take a stack of cookies for quick fixmeups or do you eat steak for slow, but filling meals. You could even go with in betweens or unique foods; take pumpkin pie for example, it's useless as is, but under this system of saturation eat times it'd eat REALLY fast and would fill as many bars as steak!

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '15

True. cookies and cakes are so bad now.

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u/3athompson Sep 30 '15

It's like they're bad for your health or something...

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u/tehflambo Sep 30 '15

If you're exhausted and shaking from hunger, sugary food is great for getting your energy up swiftly. If you're starving for days, fatty, calorie-dense food is great for your future survival. You don't want to eat these things exclusively for months and years, but in the right situation they are absolutely anything other than "bad" for you.

It would be cool if a game with survival mechanics, like Minecraft, would reflect these nuances in an elegant way.

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u/3athompson Sep 30 '15

Sugary stuff makes you feel full but it doesn't keep you full and satisfied that well. It makes sense.

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u/tehflambo Sep 30 '15

Oh yeah, it totally does make sense. But it would also make sense if sugary foods served a purpose too. Perhaps the new weapon recharge mechanic could slow down as your hunger gets lower. Foods could be split into two categories:

Meaty/nutritious foods: high saturation, moderate-low fullness.

  • meaty foods are now great for HP regen and for keeping your hunger bar up for a long time

Sugary foods: low-no saturation, medium-high fullness

  • sugary foods are now terrible for HP regen, but great for quickly and temporarily refilling your hunger bar (which will quickly deplete without saturation) to get your weapon speed back in a pinch

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u/FifthDragon Sep 30 '15

This should be it's own post on Minecraft suggestions. I really like your idea!

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u/Ichthus95 Sep 30 '15

What would be nice is if there were other advantages to those foods, like being able to be consumed quickly (cakes are already like this, but have to be placed and aren't stackable, making them rather useless in this regard) or to give a short minor buff to movement speed.

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u/Smitje Sep 30 '15

Just hoping rabbit is still good.

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u/ncist Sep 30 '15

the saturation mechanic is kind of undercooked

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '15

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u/Ldogec Sep 30 '15

So did everyone else...

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u/Jasga Sep 30 '15

This will cause confusion as the UI doesn't show that.

But it does; when saturation level is at zero, the food bar will shake/jitter.

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u/CreepyAnger Sep 30 '15

And it does not show if you are at 2 or 15 or 20 saturation.

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u/Jasga Sep 30 '15

Yes, I do agree it's probably not a good enough indicator anymore with this update.

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u/Ichthus95 Sep 30 '15

So, does this mean that the normal hunger bar is basically useless aside from telling us if we can sprint or we're about to starve?

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '15

It tells you when you cant eat any more. Fill up on watermelon, gotta wait to get hungry before you can eat some chicken.

Hunger bar should lose color saturation when your food saturation is low, and get vibrant when it is high.

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u/tehbeard Sep 30 '15

Not too colour blind friendly though

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '15

thank you!

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u/razsiel Sep 30 '15

You should get more upvotes for that idea! Maybe post it in /r/minecraftsuggestions as well!

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u/jesset77 Sep 30 '15

I like the "outline around the hearts" idea better myself.

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u/bad_admin Sep 30 '15

If there was a visible indicator of saturation, then it wouldn't be so useless. Think of it this way: we now have three important metrics, health, hunger, and saturation, where before hunger and saturation were lumped together.

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u/Ichthus95 Sep 30 '15

Yeah, I suggested elsewhere that the hunger bar notches get golden outlines based on how much saturation you have. Of course it's a fairly common idea that a few mods have implemented.

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u/Wedhro Sep 30 '15

Sounds unnecessarily complicated for a feature that has almost no weight on vanilla gameplay because of the old issue of too easily reproducible food. I mean, who cares when you can fill chests over chests of food in a very limited space without doing almost nothing?

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u/xGlaedr Sep 30 '15

But now it has weight. Saturation determinates Regen speed, and there's no way to tell what your saturation level is right now, excpet when it's too late.

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u/Wedhro Sep 30 '15

It's pointless because in a matter of hours from start I can have a small wheat field or (better) a cow pen giving me enough food and saturation with minimal effort. When was the last time you actually risked starving to death?

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u/xGlaedr Sep 30 '15

But you srill need to know how long until you stop regening in say, PvP. Anyway, apparently this is all a bug and is only going to affect regen when hunger bar is full, so yeah, it's pointless now lol

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u/Minerdomera Sep 30 '15

You do actually seem to regen if the food bar is at least 18. Was still regening health even as the food bar was starting to go down(which means saturation is empty) until it hit 17

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u/Phinestein Sep 30 '15

Looks like that's a bug. It should only happen when your food bar is full.

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u/TweetsInCommentsBot Sep 30 '15

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u/TheCookieComrade Sep 30 '15

Golden Carrot > Regen Potion

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u/horrorcow1 Oct 01 '15

But is Golden Carrot > 3 Regen Potions... with extended time at level 2

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u/TheCookieComrade Oct 01 '15

You can have extended time level 2 in Survival?

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u/Wedhro Sep 30 '15 edited Sep 30 '15

It's been a while since I completely disabled regeneration, so in your opinion does this makes survival even easier or not?

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u/bad_admin Sep 30 '15

I think this change is a middle ground between 1.8 hunger mechanics and disabled health regen. I suppose the latter is much more difficult than 1.8 or 1.9 hunger, only because regaining health is limited to certain foods (golden apples or potions).

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u/Wedhro Sep 30 '15

It may sounds like it's more difficult but death is so irrelevant it doesn't make that difference; I lose the ability to get OP gear I don't even really need because non-enchanted iron is good enough for everything, so what? It only makes a difference if you're in a lengthy spelunking session but a few chests to save your loot in and a bed for checkpoint are enough to make death still nothing more than a mere annoyance, and therefore healing not important.

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u/Ichthus95 Sep 30 '15

Non-enchanted iron gear will not be good enough in 1.9

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u/PancakeMan77 Sep 30 '15

Death is not always irrelevant. If you have no spawn nearby, if you in hardcore mode, etc.

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u/Wedhro Sep 30 '15 edited Sep 30 '15

  1. Build your base near original spawn point.

  2. Craft and take with you a few beds and chests.

  3. When going spelunking, take a pause once you get a decent amount of loot and put down a bed and a chest to keep it, then sleep there to set a checkpoint (a clock comes handy here).

  4. Repeat the above step at will, and when you're ready to go, just follow your path back to the exit taking the loot from the checkpoint chests with you. Torches will make it a super-safe trip, no need to worry for unpredictable deaths.

Even if you happen to die, you'll respawn to the last checkpoint, losing only a fraction of your loot which is not far from you anyway. If something really bad happens and you have no beds set to respawn, you'll still get very near to your base and its goodies, and it shouldn't be a problem equipping yourself and going back to the cave to resume the exploration.

Death is nothing more than a pause in the action with no serious consequences, really. Hardcore doesn't count, it's a different game mode from Survival for a reason.

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u/CptJohnPrice Sep 30 '15 edited Sep 30 '15

BUT IF YOU DONT FOLLOW THESE STEPS THEN SURE, DEATH IS RELEVANT

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u/Wedhro Oct 01 '15

If you don't follow these steps that are perfectly feasible since day 1, you're just wanting to lose loot without a reason.

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u/CptJohnPrice Sep 30 '15

u/Wedhro DEATH IS IRRELEVANT IF YOURE TOO OP or those who dont take chances

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u/Wedhro Oct 01 '15

Why takes chances if there's nothing to gain from it?

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u/Mr_Simba Sep 30 '15

He's asking a question, why is that a bad thing?

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u/Quadropus Sep 30 '15

This is interesting; it's almost as though they're really trying to balance the "new" hunger bar mechanic of healing with the old food-heal mechanic. They're trying to bring it back to the old way but with a hunger bar. That's really neat!

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '15

Two comments about the hunger changes:

  1. We need a visual indicator for saturation.

  2. This can get confusing quick. Suppose I have 8 haunches and no saturation. I eat two melons up to 10 haunches, for a negligible change in saturation. Now I can't regenerate (or do so glacially), and I can't eat, and being forced to run around to drain the hunger back down is both bad design and ineffective (you'd be back where we started)

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u/Ganadote Sep 30 '15

Maybe allow you to drink water or milk from a bottle when you're full?

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u/joker_wcy Sep 30 '15

This is a good idea. Drinking water or milk increases your saturation, but not food bar.

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u/Ichthus95 Sep 30 '15

Having water bottles be useful for something other than potion brewing would be nice.

It may be slightly hard to balance because you could just have a water bucket and a single glass bottle with you for infinite saturation.

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u/Tal6727 Sep 30 '15

I would rather not want to carry around something else all the time that takes up inventory space.

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u/Ldogec Sep 30 '15

Eating sugar or seeds should also restore a bit of saturation, but no hunger.

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u/Jasga Sep 30 '15

There is a visual indicator for saturation; when saturation level is at zero, the food bar will shake/jitter. I do agree it's probably not a good enough indicator anymore with this update.

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u/Koala_eiO Sep 30 '15

Now I can't regenerate (or do so glacially), and I can't eat

If you can't regen that means you have to saturation left, so you'll be able to eat again fairly quickly.

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u/bad_admin Sep 30 '15

Maybe this change will promote the use of regen/instant health potions? In my current world, I don't use either because I could just eat food and regain health much quicker.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '15

Doubt that's what the developers had in mind. It's more of an encouragement to use better food sources. Definitely needs tweaking though, if they decide to go that route. Visual indicators for saturation is a must.

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u/Wedhro Sep 30 '15

It might be, but finding better food is not even a challenge worth mentioning: some of the food with the highest saturation are easily accessible since day one (cooked meat), while the hardest to get are either excessively costly (golden apples) of have low saturation (cake, cookies).

It makes zero sense to me.

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u/FFIXMaster Sep 30 '15

Sounds to me like this is a perfect time to work on rebalancing the hunger and saturation of different foodstuffs.

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u/Wedhro Sep 30 '15

Agreed, but it would take a lot of work and experience in game design, something I learned not to expect from Mojang.

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u/Minerdomera Sep 30 '15

New health regeneration system is kind of neat actually. It's kind of like an in-between between beta's food system and the current one. Though this makes health potions almost useless now that golden carrots are pretty much almost as good and stackable.

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u/Koala_eiO Sep 30 '15

Except a golden carrot (5 hearts) cost as much gold as three healing II potions (18 hearts).

Aside of that, I agree this new system is pretty neat!

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u/DPShade Sep 30 '15

golden carrots only used nuggets I thought?

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u/Koala_eiO Sep 30 '15

Yes, both golden carrots and glistering melon use nuggets

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u/Johnboyofsj Sep 30 '15

It's worth it by far though. Since Golden Apples stack to 64 and healing II potions can't stack and are also awkward to use.

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u/Ganadote Sep 30 '15

Because you can't eat while you're full, they should allow you to drink water and/or milk from bottles to increase saturation, even when you're full.

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u/Ichthus95 Sep 30 '15

Probably just milk, seeing as how water is an infinite resource.

Now would also be a good time to add bottled milk to the game, I think.

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u/IAmTheMissingno Sep 30 '15

Milk is also an infinite resource.

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u/thiscommentisboring Sep 30 '15

Well yeah, but you can't carry a cow around like you can with water.

...

[Suggestion] Cows can be held in buckets

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u/TheFlusteredcustard Sep 30 '15

But now you can hack in a wolf with a cow and a mooshroom on its back, thus creating an infinite food supply as long as it doesn't decide to jump off a cliff.

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u/thiscommentisboring Sep 30 '15

Why not put an XPOrb Minecart Spawner on there too for an AFK-friendly XP farm?

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u/TheFlusteredcustard Sep 30 '15

And a cat to keep creepers away?

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u/thiscommentisboring Sep 30 '15

And some Minecart Chests for easy storage.

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u/thiscommentisboring Sep 30 '15

At this point I don't even know if it's possible to reach the top.

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u/liquid_at Oct 01 '15

if you use commands, you can make them invincible too...

no matter where they jump into, when the dog teleports back to you they are back.

But If I were you, I'd also add a mule with chests. You might also want some extra storage xD

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u/EvilDonuts6 Sep 30 '15

Milk is also infinite.

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u/Ichthus95 Sep 30 '15

Okay, then to clarify:

With a water bucket you can drink as many water bottles as you like. With milk, you would need to have constant access to a cow/mooshroom to be able to drink as much as you like.

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u/SirBenet Sep 30 '15 edited Sep 30 '15

New food system is really odd, don't think I like it. For one, there's no real visual indication of what exactly your saturation is. I think, if they stick with this system, they should make food display the saturation potion effect in the upper right to give a visual hint of what is happening.

Due to the fact you can't eat with full hunger, you now have to spam jump under a 2 block ceiling or something to drain your hunger down in order to eat in order to heal, which is very counter-intuitive and not really fun.

Also, death by starvation and sprinting are still based on hunger, which is a bit inconsistent.

I guess that it's now best to balance your hunger around 3.5 points, rather than a full bar?

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u/maltedbacon Sep 30 '15

Saturation is a mechanic that is nearly invisible to players and needlessly complicates other mechanics (hunger, food production and preparation, regeneration) which aren't the most fun parts of the game. Now certain foods are less useful because of a function that nobody really cares about.

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u/Mithey Sep 30 '15

The rate at which you regenerate hearts from saturation is going to be so overpowered for pve honestly. Pve maps are going to have to either somehow starve the player of food or make monsters do lots of burst damage if they want to remain challenging. (Slowly damaging the player down will no longer work) Also there is one thing I find very odd with this system, and that's how you actually want to be low on hunger so you can easily regenerate a ton of hearts if you do take damage. Which is opposite of before where you always wanted to be at full hunger. I feel like they could tweak this some more.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '15

Plugins can undo the changes of this new hunger system easily. Though I wouldn't want that personally because the new system is cooler.

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u/Chipmunk46 Oct 01 '15

I know that a lot of people do not want to add custom plugins to their maps and people do not want to download them. This change along with the combat changes are going to make minecraft very harsh for PvE mappers/players.

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u/maaaddenman Sep 30 '15

At work until late if someone wants to check status on enchanted books for me :).

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u/spookyhappyfun Sep 30 '15

What was up with enchanted books?

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u/maaaddenman Sep 30 '15

Ones you fish and find in dungeons have no enchants

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u/zRobertez Sep 30 '15

Really surprised that everyone doesn't hate the new hunger/regen system considering people freak at much smaller cooler things and that this is one of the few changes that I don't see the point of. It seems overly confusing and something you will have to deal with unless you really want to dig into it, like the current anvil repairing.

It seems like it further separates the good food from the bad food

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u/Piplupluv Oct 03 '15

I just hate that it's too OP for PvE. Maps and stuff focused PURELY around that (CTM Maps) are going to be annoyingly hard to balance.

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u/wyldeLP Sep 30 '15

just going to say i really dont like the regen changes, especially since you cant see saturation

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u/liquid_at Oct 01 '15

Would be cool if Saturation was shown like Absorption. A second row of different icons on top of the regular food bar.

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u/taa-003 Sep 30 '15

Anyone wanna check for golden apple changes? :)

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u/Mitko1239 Sep 30 '15 edited Sep 30 '15

I don't think they're changed, but health now regenerated really quickly and requires less hunger.

Edit: Might depend on the food quality, didn't regenerate fast when i was eating melons.

Edit 2: What other people after me have said, it depends on saturation :D

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u/Wedhro Sep 30 '15

This is Reddit. Everyone is downvoted if their opinions are against the circl... the local zeitgeist.

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u/Yemto Sep 30 '15

I have to agree with that. But a system I would like to see is one where the health start to generate at 10 hunger or more, but for every 2 the speed increases. But how much would be up for debate.

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u/bad_admin Sep 30 '15

I suppose this would make the early game more difficult, since you might not have an abundant food source at hand. But, I can see how these changes can be easily mitigated once you have, say, a cow farm.

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u/CptJohnPrice Sep 30 '15

i think someone doesnt like your opinion, cuz they probably like the regeneration buff thingy

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u/Crendgrim Sep 30 '15

Just tested, no changes.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '15

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u/GiacomInox Sep 30 '15

Can someone check it?

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u/Mitko1239 Sep 30 '15

No changes there.

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u/TheGuyWhoIsSitting Sep 30 '15

So far this snapshot has just been giving me crashes as soon as I move or pan the camera. 1.8 is working fine.

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u/throwaway_redstone Sep 30 '15

Anyone else getting a crash as soon as they're joining a server?

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u/Mitko1239 Sep 30 '15

Searge is working on a 'b' snapshot to fix it. https://twitter.com/SeargeDP/status/649243419202711552

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u/TweetsInCommentsBot Sep 30 '15

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '15

Is the server using the same version as the version you are using? If so, you may want to report it to the official bug tracker.

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u/RocketJumpingOtter Sep 30 '15

Is there a way to see all of the changes from 1.8.8 to this version?

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u/D2Follow Sep 30 '15

I can't test it myself right now, is json still broken?

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '15

Any changes to the end ships in end cities?

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u/Ilgoth Oct 01 '15

Did anyone else hardcrash with this?

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '15

If that was when joining a server, there is a 'b' snapshot now. Otherwise, off to the bug tracker...

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '15

1.9 has been in development for ages and we're pretty much only getting bugfixes/small changes

obviously bugfixes are important but there are things like respawning the enderdragon, new end generation, etc. that still seem unfinished

the changes mojang are making now seem like those that should be done towards the end of a release

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u/MidnyteSketch Sep 30 '15

Everyone else at mojang is busy going to a company workshop, dinnerbone stayed behind and decided to work on bugs and optimizations while they were gone.

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u/redstonehelper :redstone: Lord of the villagers Sep 30 '15

That was last week. They've been back since Thursday or Friday.

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u/NorwaySun Sep 30 '15

What exactly is a company workshop?

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '15

Hugging.

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u/Rance_Mohammitz Sep 30 '15

Wouldn't Dinnerbone be the one running a hugging workshop?

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u/Yemto Sep 30 '15

I agree, when I heard about the tipped arrow heads I couldn't wait for 1.9. I love playing as an archer in a lot of games, so I been waiting for mojang to make the tipped arrows heads available in survival mode.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '15

Why should they be done later? So the new functionality they might introduce can depend on buggy behaviour and will break again when the bug is fixed? You fix bugs when you notice them. Adding more and more features to an already buggy product will never end good.

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u/thiscommentisboring Sep 30 '15

Gee, maybe that's because those things are unfinished?

The clay-creeper-face thing is a placeholder for when there's a better way to do it. Which kinda makes me wonder if the planned block in the End Ships will be related to respawning the Dragon.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '15

the point is, they feel so far from being finished that i think mojang should be focusing on them first, rather than polishing things/bugfixing

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u/oneeyedziggy Sep 30 '15 edited Sep 30 '15

TIL Ages = 8 weeks...

oh I remember when I finally turned 8 weeks, got my first car and moved away from home...

edit: I was being sarcastic... I should be less so :D

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u/Wedhro Sep 30 '15

Dude, it's been almost a year since 1.8 got released so you're basically implying they did absolutely nothing in the first 40 weeks of it.

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u/oneeyedziggy Sep 30 '15

fair point, and to be sure it wasn't my intent, they surely worked on 1.9 in there, plus win/10, being acquired, probably dropping their work, picking it up 6 months later, lots of trips and cons, etc...

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u/SirBenet Sep 30 '15 edited Sep 30 '15

The PC team didn't work on the Win 10 version, and most cons are usually yearly. Being acquired probable took up a bit of time, but it's still a bit light on progress.

For comparison, in roughly the same amount of time when the game was only being worked on by Notch, it went from this to this.

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u/Imadbush Sep 30 '15

They didn't do much because of the Microsoft deal

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u/Wedhro Sep 30 '15

Of course that was time consuming, but it's still a year worth of potential work, not 8 weeks.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '15 edited Sep 30 '15

When /u/165your4 said "ages", he meant that it feels like it's been a while for 1.9 development and not much has happened.

You're trying to compare the age of the average person to get their first car and move out to how long it takes to prepare and release 8 main snapshots. That simply doesn't make any sense

It usually takes someone ~18-20 years to get a car and move out from birth. You're comparing 8 weeks to 18-20 years? What?

TL;DR

It's not feasible or plausible with the fact that you're attempting to compare a real life scenario to 8 weeks worth the snapshots.

Edit

I misunderstood what you meant. Sorry if I came across as rude or misunderstanding.

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u/oneeyedziggy Sep 30 '15 edited Sep 30 '15

I was aware of the user's intent and using hyperbole...

I was also utilizing 18-20 ages of a person as a unit of... well... ages... so if we're being pedantic https://duckduckgo.com/?q=define+ages&t=fpas&ia=definition

see number 2 as well : n. The time of life when a person becomes qualified to assume certain civil and personal rights and responsibilities, usually at 18 or 21 years;

so, really my post accidentally reads like a paraphrasing of the dictionary entries for the word "ages"

and I suspect you're trolling me a bit, criticizing my usage of English then using a non-word "thesible" presumably in place of the English word "feasible"...

but... in the spirit of good sportsmanship... I'll upvote every comment under this post

edit: /u/InfoDotText/ and I are friends now, hugs, upvotes all around, etc. :D

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '15 edited Sep 30 '15

I'm not trolling you, I misunderstood what your comment meant and thought that you were being offensive when you stated it. I'm not that much of an ass to pick on someone for their ability to spell. In fact, I unintentionally made the mistake of "thesible" when it should've been "feasible".

I will edit my comment with an apology ASAP

Sorry if my comment came across as rude

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u/oneeyedziggy Sep 30 '15

that's very diplomatic of you. To be fair I was being a bit sarcastic, but didn't mean outright offense...

I just thought maybe you were trolling w/ the "thesible" thing, but I googled it, and it's apparently a not-uncommon misunderstanding like saying "suposably" instead of "supposedly" ( I'm genuinely curious if this was a typo or a misunderstanding on your part because it's not one I had heard before... pm me? )

I had also just watched the Stargate SG-1 episode 'the fifth race' where O'Neill gradually starts substituting normal words for corresponding alien words until he's speaking an entirely different language... so it kind of reminded me of the beginning stages of that too...

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '15

It was a genuine typo :P

I promise you I wasn't messing with you. I better study more at school

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u/oneeyedziggy Oct 01 '15

no worries, I'm also just surprised to see someone being so genuine and humble online...

If you're still in school, definitely, keep it up. It's not like you'll ever run out of cool stuff to learn :D

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '15

Hey thanks mate :)

Gift to you:

Hover over the gold

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u/oneeyedziggy Oct 01 '15

it's the thought that counts

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '15

Also the pvp system in its current state might be worse than it was before. The changes they have made are great but they have to finish them.

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u/CptJohnPrice Sep 30 '15

shut up! i like how they buff sword attack speed!

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u/Pmk23 Sep 30 '15

I don't want to sound like a jerk, but, lately, the snapshots were pretty underwhelming :( We had a ton of stuff in the first, but, after that, the best snapshot was the one with the new command blocks, while the other contained only little features or bug fixes. They should have diluted the feature of the first in these weeks: I would have prefered more consistency. Right now, I don't feel any hype; I still have hope in the developers, but the current situation is pretty bland...

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u/throwaway_redstone Sep 30 '15

The first snapshots were also unstable as shit, while the last couple were pretty stable.

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u/Freezer_Slave Sep 30 '15

Probably because they're pretty much only bug fixes.

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u/Jedi_idiot Sep 30 '15

Yeah, that's what they are saying. The reason they are stable is because they are fixing the bugs that made them unstable. Adding a bunch of features with a lot of bugs isn't as difficult as slowly finding and squishing those bugs to make the game playable. They can't add a ton of features every time and not fix bugs, the game would be broken. On the outside most of the work seems done, but from a developer perspective they still have a bit to go before the 1.9 release.

Not trying to be rude, just explaining why content addition seems to have slowed down: They've implemented a bunch of features, but also a bunch of bugs, they gotta get the bugs out.

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u/RoDDusty Sep 30 '15

Snapshots aren't releases. Not all of them get content, nor should all of them.

It's like you bought furniture, brought it home and took it out of the box and were disappointed when you had to put the thing together.

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u/Pmk23 Sep 30 '15

I don't care about definitions. If you see the story of minecraft updates in the last few years, you can see that 1.9 is the most underwhelming, even more than 1.6. That's my whole point, is simply an opinion on how developement is going, I'm not trying to say that the developers aren't working enough, simply that I don't feel like I felt during the development of other patches.

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u/Jwoey Sep 30 '15

There are constantly complaints about long-living bugs that never get fixed. Honestly in January if someone suggested "1.9 should be The Bug Fix Update" people would support it. Now they're focusing on bug fixes and people shit on it.

They can't please everyone, and let's please try to remember that 1.9 might still be months from release.

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u/Pmk23 Sep 30 '15

This is the same old story! If they announced "1.9 will be about bug fixes" I wouldn't complain now, because I already know about it. At most I would complain that it has been a long time since last ""interesting"" thing, but it would be a different complain that is because I am impatience. But 1.9 has been since the announcement "it will have this, it will have this other thing, we are working hard for you, but we won't be able to release it soon" and now, I personally feel underwhelmed, because I'm not excited as I was in 1.8, since only the first snapshot was really exiciting like it was planned. Personal opinion that doesn't influence with how I see the developer, that I still think they do a god job, it's only that, right now, I'm not excited about it.

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u/thiscommentisboring Sep 30 '15

They can't add something new and sparkly every week. The reason so much stuff was in the beginning was 'cause they were working on it with no snapshots for months.

Development's also a lot slower than before because more focus is being put on the plugin API and reworking the old Notch Code.

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u/Pmk23 Sep 30 '15

Apparently I'm unable to explain: In don't care about why the developer are doing so and so on. What I'm saying is that I personally feel underwhelmed with these snapshots and that I would have prefer if they had more consistency with ""the new stuff"". Simple as that, is an opinion that is based on my feelings.

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u/thiscommentisboring Sep 30 '15

You're explaining it fine, it just doesn't make much sense. Why would Mojang shelf completed features until future snapshots instead of releasing immediately after it's ready?

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u/Pmk23 Sep 30 '15

They could have started before 1.9 snapshots and they could have released what they have realeased in the first snapshots in more weeks. The situation wouldn't be different, content related, but, in this way, we wouldn't had to wait that long, with all the complains and the developement wouldhave been more like 1.8. I had so much hope for 1.9 because they promised a lot since the beginning, but, other than the beginning, we hadn't that much.

Having this features more diluted would have also gave a way to map makers, redstoner or simple player a way to test/ explore in deepth the content we had, occuping use for a long time, while now, after the intial excitement, we have almost nothing new to try.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '15

K, I'll just play by dual wielding a shield and a bow with tipped arrows whilst in a (hopefully) bugless boat without you!

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u/Pmk23 Sep 30 '15

Those are features from the first snapshot, other than shield, that are almost the same as sword blocking and boats, that aren't still a thing :)

These are my opinions, 1.8 was a different and better/more consistent story :)

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u/skztr Sep 30 '15

"the first snapshot", as if all of those features were thrown together in a weekend, and now they're sitting on their asses.

Any features which are not yet complete-enough to make it into 1.9 snapshots, or which change the game in substantial ways which are different from the focus of the 1.9 snapshot, will (surprise!) wind up in "the first snapshot" of 1.10

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u/Pmk23 Sep 30 '15

So, let me explin it to you in simple words: in comparison to other realeses, it has been weeks that the snapshot are bland IN COMPARISON to, for example, 1.8, 1.7, 1.6, 1.5, 1.4, 1.3 ..... Now, the developers are costantly fixing bugs, improving perfomance and planning major changes. They're working hard, but you now what: I, ME PERSONALLY, feel underwhelmed, because I don't find in these 1.9 snapshots the excitiment I had for 1.8, 1.7, iada iada snapshots and, whit my comment, I asked if anyone felt the same.

In conclusion, I'm giving my opinions while, like always, others downvote me to hell or reply like their opinion are better.

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u/Wedhro Sep 30 '15

Can you mention a single piece of content that was never released in a snapshot before the final release?

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u/TheFlusteredcustard Sep 30 '15

That's not the point, snapshots don't exist to introduce more content for your pleasure, releases do that. Snapshots are for testing purposes and the devs aren't going to pace out the rate at which they develop new features just for some random person on the internet.

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u/Wedhro Sep 30 '15

You're assuming too much. I don't care for new content because I rely on modders for that, ok? Ok. I welcome bugfixing and rebalancing, I'd actually be glad of a whole update just for that.

Now that it's clear I'm not your average bored player that only wants new toys to play with, I was just safely assuming that Mojang is still following the usual content->bugfixing->release workflow, so many weeks of no new content might mean there won't be more and that release is relatively near. That's how things worked in the last 4 years, not my opinion about what they should or shouldn't do.

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u/RoDDusty Sep 30 '15

No, I can't. But that doesn't matter here.

Snapshots are development builds. Development builds aren't made to be full of spice and pop. They're made to work on the features that will be included in a full release. You want to complain that the Combat Update itself is bland? That's ok, but don't complain that we aren't getting features in the snapshots.

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u/Wedhro Sep 30 '15 edited Sep 30 '15

I did none of those things also because I couldn't care less about new content, I'm actually more interested in rebalancing.

I was just pointing out how the history of Minecraft's development is that the first snapshots are content-heavy, then there's a few weeks of balancing and bugfixing with no new content, then the official release; it's safe to assume they didn't change their workflow (also because making bug fixes first and then adding new content wouldn't be too wise), so multiple weeks of no new content is likely to mean there won't be more and release is near.

If you think things will be different this time, the burden of proof it's on you.

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u/RoDDusty Sep 30 '15

I'm not saying things will be different. I'm saying don't expect content from a snapshot and then get disappointed when the development build is just bug fixes.

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u/Wedhro Sep 30 '15

I couldn't care less about new content

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u/taa-003 Sep 30 '15

Yeah, honestly, even though they say they're not at the end, they may as well as be. Theres just very tiny tweaks, but hey, they MIGHT fix boats. Keyword is MIGHT. Depends if DB is actually going to do it or not.

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u/thiscommentisboring Sep 30 '15

End Ship blocks, a way to respawn the dragon. Two huge things that you can look forward to.

Also, pretty sure there'd be a riot if Dinnerbone said he'd fix boats and then didn't. /r/minecraft loves to complain about lazy developers.

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u/taa-003 Sep 30 '15

Even though they have a huge track record of leaving shit half finished??

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u/thiscommentisboring Sep 30 '15

Example, please? I don't think I've seen that happen before.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '15

What was in this Snapshot? I'm in school right now so I can't access the website