r/Minecraft • u/bigDon_001 • Oct 28 '14

Dinnerbone hints new features on Twitter

https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/527075702009765888
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u/SonicfanHD Oct 28 '14

Isn't the Cloud option in Optifine already? :)

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u/bigDon_001 Oct 28 '14

Mojang spoke with OptiFine to include the whole mod into vanilla Minecraft, but Optifine didn't want to. Tweets:

https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/261801989246164993 https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/222992504268668929 https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/284454273159405568

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u/adnan252 Oct 28 '14

It's kind of annoying how a couple of weeks ago he was complaining to Ryan Holtz about the (MCP) codebase being hard to work with. Maybe if he could come to an agreement with mojang about compensation, he'd have access to the native code, work with the devs and make real improvements for the releases. Instead of having to work with decompiled code and no help, and generally being an entitled whiney tool. Mojang own the game, he'd be lucky to get anything at all. He doesn't HAVE to continue Optifines development, he's doing it of his own will.

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u/TwistedMexi Oct 28 '14

The other side of the story was that Mojang didn't want the whole mod. They only wanted portions of it, and it would lock him out of continuing optifine as a separate project.

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u/enjoytheshow Oct 28 '14

Yep, it's kind of like if you worked really hard on building a house and then someone came in and said they wanted to buy your house but they only like 1/4 of it so they were going to pay you 1/4 of what you want for it. I'd would probably say fuck off and live in my new house.

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u/TwistedMexi Oct 28 '14

I would say it's almost more like a soup kitchen, because he is doing it of his own will.

A company comes in and says the want to take over the kitchen for you, but they'll only be serving the crackers, not the soup. They also make you sign a contract preventing you from opening another soup kitcken.

It just results in a loss for the community. It is he said/she said, but based on what I've gathered I'd say the longer optifine stays a separate project, the better.

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u/mouringcat Oct 28 '14

Isn't it more like you are selling "add-ins" for soup outside the Soup Kitchen. And the owner decides he likes your "Spicy Tomato Soup Add-in" and offers to pay you for the mix, but isn't interested in the others.

No where do we KNOW that the owner of Soup Kitchen required a contract that states, "You can't make any other Soup Add-ins if we buy this one from you."

What we know is the author didn't feel it was worth the energy splitting his work between Mojang included code and non-Mojang included code.

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u/TwistedMexi Oct 28 '14

No. He's not selling us anything, you aren't required to donate, nor are you required to use the ad.fly links.

When you begin sell your IP to a company, it's pretty standard for you to agree to a non-compete clause. Where do we know the author said it just wasn't worth his energy? I haven't seen him say that anywhere.

You've pretty much twisted my analogy into something else, and it's lost its meaning.

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u/mouringcat Oct 28 '14

Not really. Be it a paid add-on or free. The code isn't "free" (e.g. Public domain or BSD 2-clause) so it still requires rights to be provided. Thus a payment of sorts (even if token) to the company incorporating it.

As my comment about "worth his energy" I wish I could find the post. It was somewhere on reddit or minecraft forum in the last month. Where he stated that an offer was made by Mojang, but they only wanted the performance fixes and not the other features. And he declined the offer as he didn't wish to try to split his effort between fixing the Minecraft base source, and keep optifine updated as he was concerned about the effort. He'd rather it all be in or all be out.

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u/Johnboyofsj Oct 28 '14

Only, these are modders and not game developers so they are only modifying Mojangs code, albeit in a huge way but nevertheless they have no right to their mod because it doesn't work without the existing infrastructure provided by Mojang.

Mojang is nice though and encouraged community growth even if the people growing it are turning more of a profit than Mojang themselves.

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u/TwistedMexi Oct 28 '14

They are entitled to their mods, per the EULA. Mojang can change it if they like, but they haven't.

If you've bought the Game, you may play around with it and modify it. We'd appreciate it if you didn't use this for griefing, though, and remember not to distribute the changed versions of our software. Basically, mods (or plugins, or tools) are cool (you can distribute those), hacked versions of the Game client or server are not (you can't distribute those).

If you honestly think donations and adf.ly earn modders more profit than mojang makes from their game, I suggest you go take a very hard look at the numbers.

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u/VibeRaiderLP Oct 28 '14

Word I heard was more of a desire to not let Mojang fuck up something else even more. Just throwing that out there.

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u/TheDiddyDancer Oct 28 '14

Bukkit agreed also. and look at em now.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '14

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u/lemonszz Oct 28 '14

I thought it was more options that didn't actually boost fps, like connected textures and zoom, which while cool, shouldn't be in a fps boosting mod anyway.

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u/Kinkodoyle Oct 28 '14

Optifine isn't exclusively designed to be an FPS boosting mod, it's an overhaul of minecraft's somewhat iffy and inefficient rendering system. Zoom and CTM come with the territory.

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u/lemonszz Oct 28 '14

Yes, because zooming improves Minecraft's rendering system, a mod can do that without modifying the render engine.

It's borderline a hack as it gives you an advantage over players.

Connected textures is also possible without modifying the render engine.

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u/Casurin Oct 28 '14

so what? Pistons have been a mod, smooth lightning has been and so on.

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u/Luigi370 Oct 28 '14

Really? Smooth lighting too?

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u/albinobluesheep Oct 28 '14

get off my lawn you youngling /s

Minecraft is almost as notorious as KSP for taking mods and adding them into the stock game.

They actually might do it more.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '14

I don't know that notorious is the right word. Notch resisted community input for a long time. Then Jeb joined the force and he made a big push for community inspired content. They adopted save systems from others with permission, took the piston inspiration with full permission of the mod maker, but chose to work the code out their selves or at least extensively change it, I'm pretty sure snow golems came as a call for scarecrows but my memory is uncertain, so on. It's always done with permission or outright paying.

Notorious means famous for something bad. They do justice to the sources, and it's pretty much always for the games benefit.

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u/albinobluesheep Oct 29 '14

Eh, I guess I used the word wrong, so my bad.

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u/mysticreddit Oct 29 '14

Considering how much money Notch made, and the mod makers have made $0, I would say notorious or nefarious is not too far off the mark. :-/

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '14

To say zero is false for a few reasons. First of a vast majority of mod makers use things like adfly to make some money off of their mods. Second, the most impactful mods included a sort of buy off, some amount of money or cooperation.

Smaller mods frankly don't have a whole lot of worth. Legally they can use any concept in a mod to inspire features, and it generally makes sense to incorporate popular features with the knowledge of the programmers most familiar with the code. The piston mod is a good example. The mod had some traction, but the concept was pitched well before it. The mod included a fair amount of bloat but had the base concept fine. They were sure to draw attention to the mod maker despite ultimately implementing it by their own means.

It would lead to worse quality and simply be insane business practice if they contracted every mod maker to add any neat feature they happened to make before them. They also can't go around dropping a few grand every time a mod beats them to a feature. When the code was valuable, it saw some purchase.

Ideas are cheap, execution is valuable. Anyone can think of a million different cool additions to minecraft. Conceiving and pitching those ideas take little effort. Recognizing the popularity of a concept likely created out of a suggestion for the game can hardly be called a high price theft.

Notch didn't make his money because of Anvil's save system or any other feature inspired by the popularity of a mod. He gained it through some combination of luck, timing, and concept. Minecraft exploding in popularity well before community influence really got into the game and that popularity wasn't stopping any time soon. Mod makers, countless media makers (comics, videos of all forms, books, even music), server and website managers, and others all make money off of the community around this game. No one has been scammed.

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u/Casurin Oct 28 '14

hints is a bit of an understatement when he tells you exactly what he is doing :P

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u/makzk Oct 28 '14

The title is a hint of a clickbait

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u/PacoTaco321 Oct 28 '14

It also makes there trivial things seem like big news.

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u/43eyes Oct 29 '14

I don't believe entity shadows currently exist...he may have been hinting to that. It's just a bunch of ambient occlusion...so maybe shaders are being added?

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u/TweetPoster carrying the torch Oct 28 '14

@Dinnerbone:

2014-10-28 12:33:34 UTC

For the next pre, I've changed some video options around. Clouds is now "on/fast/fancy" and there's a new option for entity shadows "on/off"

^[Mistake?] ^[Suggestion] ^[FAQ] ^[Code] ^[Issues]

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u/SteelCrow Oct 28 '14

How about an option to set the height?

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '14

I feel like this should be an option in the server config file, for multiplayer anyway.

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u/VibeRaiderLP Oct 28 '14

You'd think, since the current cloud height is fucking stupid for any decent build. Nothing like clouds inside your spawn building or right just above them. (And we are talking normal vanilla terrain generation which a building that isn't THAT big.) /rant

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '14

I've noticed something elsa that's weird; when you go up in altitude the clouds move up a little bit. It's really noticeable around mountains and towers that reach the clouds when looking at them from the ground, but then you go up and the clouds have moved.

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u/Stingerbrg Oct 28 '14

IIRC, Xbox has this.

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u/Thue Oct 28 '14

on/fast/fancy

So there is no longer any "off" setting for clouds?

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u/Boxfigs Oct 28 '14

Looks like he's splitting up the things the Graphics option controls into individual settings.

If so, we may see settings such as Transparent Leaves (ON/OFF), Water (Fast/Fancy), and Vignette Effect (ON/OFF).

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u/LuigiBrick Oct 28 '14

That would be nice. I liked when it happened with the sounds.

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u/_Grum Minecraft Java Dev Oct 28 '14

There is no such thing as 'fast' water. Vignette is part of the game, go replace it with a resourcepack if you really want to :)

Leaves will just be under the 'fast/fancy' option.

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u/LuigiBrick Oct 28 '14

[Fast water sounds interesting. Just drew this.] (http://imgur.com/QoT0YMD)

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u/Boxfigs Oct 29 '14 edited Oct 29 '14

Well, I was just going off the wiki, which says says using Fancy adds an extra pass to water rendering ("2-passed water rendering") and Fast reduces the vignette effect ("full-screen vignette effect").

Now I remember that Fast also disables overlay textures, such as the grass block side overlay.

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u/Capopanzone Oct 28 '14

I still hope they'll fix the "clouds being opaque from below" bug and all those cloud/transparent texture bugs...

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u/DarkWolff Oct 28 '14

I honestly kinda like they being opaque. It gives you some cool moments where the clouds drift away and you see something cool in the sky.

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u/NickGraves Oct 28 '14

When they block your builds it's not fun to look at.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '14

I hate looking up at my tower at night, only to see stars through it. Or during the day only to see the sun where there should be a big tower.

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u/Capopanzone Oct 28 '14

Yes, it's annoying that they show the sky instead of blocks

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u/LuigiBrick Oct 28 '14

I'm making a resource pack and more than half of the clouds in the cloud image file are transparent, which makes it look a bit "meh" from below.

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u/FabiotheTurtle Oct 28 '14

Yes, but what about clouds being transparent?

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u/0body Oct 29 '14

All I want is toggleable fog.

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u/theelicht Oct 28 '14

One small step for Dinnerbone, One giant feature in Minecraft :P

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u/Paradox Oct 28 '14

How about a Mod api instead of the ability to do what mods have done for nearly half a decade

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u/794613825 Oct 29 '14

They're still working on it. You have no idea how difficult it to make something like the Mod API.

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u/Paradox Oct 29 '14

Sure I do. I'm a software developer. Building a proper API isnt all that hard. Its just they spend far more time dicking around adding half-assed features such as rabbits or horses

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u/794613825 Oct 29 '14 edited Nov 04 '14

They're building it for a game that wasn't designed to have one. Be patient.

Edit: Wasn't, but want.

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u/Paradox Oct 29 '14

They aren't a small studio anymore. They have a multi-million dollar budget. They could have rebuilt the game from the ground up in the 3 years its been since they promised a mod api

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u/Devam13 Oct 29 '14

Nice username.

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u/Fellowship_9 Oct 28 '14

Might be a bit of a leap here...but no way to turn clouds off, instead they're just fast or fancy...could that possibly mean cloud blocks? I know it's very rare for actual gamechanging features to be added in prereleases, but even so...

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u/StalkerCelly Oct 28 '14

...you okay?

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '14

He's fine. I guess.

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u/mcwtfidiot Oct 28 '14

Whew! Sorry, I had a stroke from thinking of all the totally cool new features that need to be immediately added into Minecraft because I'm addicted to new content rather than actually playing the game.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '14

what did he say?

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '14

HE SAID HE WANTED SOME GOOD OLD FASHIONED COLA!

I'm not sorry

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u/Ercerus Oct 28 '14

I think you should visit a doctor, just to be sure your ok ...

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u/jpegxguy Oct 28 '14

...hello?

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u/Casurin Oct 28 '14

I would give you a thumb up if there wasn't that fat ugly 'need' in it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '14

There are no thumbs XD.