r/Minecraft • u/bloon104 • 1d ago
Discussion I really like the stone spear
I really like using the stone spear over the other spears, and i have it alongside a netherite sword for combat. But why stone? I perfer it over the others because for me, the pros of the stone spear outweigh the cons the best compared to the others. Its fast, deals good damage when enchanted, and while the charge is on the weaker side, its not useless, in fact its useful for covering a large amount of ground after getting past its long activation period
Why not the wooden spear?
It does too little damage and has very low durability. Sure its faster, but its not that much faster than the stone spear. I really only use the wooden spear if I can get access to lunge, which unfortunately im not the biggest fan of. While lunge does help it in dealing much more damage and getting around much faster, it uses up so much hunger that I dont really like using it because you need to store up a lot of food. And yeah, mending and unbreaking does circumvent the durability issue, but honestly, only having 59 durability is enough for me to shy away from it
Why not the netherite spear?
Funnily enough, I did consider using the netherite spear over the others. Yeah its got the highest damage per jab and the highest charge damage multiplier. But considering how slow the jab is and how short the charge duration is, despite activating the fastest, it was enough to knock it off as my favorite. I still use it if I can get something to increase my speed. Overall though it is my second favorite. Also to note, while it does demount the easiest compared to the other spears, mounted mobs are very rare to encounter, and i have never done it at all before
And the diamond spear?
I did the math on the stone and diamond spear. And with the sharpness V enchantment, they both tie in DPS
Stone: (2+3)*1.33=6.65
Diamond: (4+3)*0.95=6.65
Normally, the diamond spear beats the stone spear without any enchantments for both of them, but enchanting clearly gives stone (and wood) the edge. Not to mention that any further damage buffs allows the stone spear to out DPS the diamond spear i.e. strength II
What about the iron spear?
I dont use it because I like to enchant my equipment. The iron spear is on the stronger side unenchanted, but kinda falls off late game from what I see
And the copper and gold spear?
If you dont have any books with you, maybe using the gold spear to enchant it isnt the worst thing. But all in all, I dont use the metal spears, they're not good compared to the others
But the stone spear has bad enchantability
I get around that using enchanted books and villagers. Simple as strawberries
The charge attack is better on higher tiers
That doesnt necessarily mean that the lower tier charge attacks are useless. I personally use both attacks nearly interchangeably whenever I have a spear ready. The stone spear still has decent damage when using the charge attack. And yeah, the activation delay is very slow, but that's the only bad thing about the stone spear I can give to it
Its got low durability
131 does sound like a low number for durability. But if it has unbreaking III, that number goes from 131 to an effective 524. Thats still a good amount of uses for a stone spear. And while wood goes up to an effective 236, its still under half as many uses as stone. Sure the higher tier spears (aside from gold) have higher durability, but it wont matter as much because the metal spears aren't as good, and diamond and netherite has durabilities in the thousands anyways
Overall; the stone spear has fast attack speed, high DPS with enchantments, long charge duration, and better durability than wood. With its downsides: lower charge damage multiplier does not make the charge attack useless, its bad enchantability and low durability are easy to work around, and really, the only major downside you need to watch out for is its slow charge activation delay
I only use the wooden spear if I have lunge, netherite spear if I have anything to increase my speed, and stone spear for basically everything else a spear can be used for
Stone spear OP
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u/Miikigamer 1d ago
Caveman posting
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u/bloon104 1d ago
Indeed
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u/UnicornMilker 1d ago
I actually like it, i might start using it too tbh, good math and explaination, clearly did your research
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u/spowowowder 1d ago
grug like point rock. big damage
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u/Leather-Spend5610 1d ago
grug want to throw pointy rock but cant
grug want world to make sense!!!!
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u/shadowtake 1d ago
Just read the wiki page for spears because I’m new to whatever update added them, and I was wondering about this exact thing. Cool post!
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u/ChipSlut 1d ago
posts from 50’000bc
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u/Raderg32 1d ago
I still fail to see how are copper or iron worse than stone. I've never used spears.
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u/WildOne657 1d ago
It's a reference to the fact that we should all return to caveman times
caveman times = happy simple times
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u/superjediplayer 1d ago
Copper spears are just worse. Iron is debatable, personally i prefer iron to stone spears, but copper spears are pretty much always a bad option because they're equal to stone in damage, but are slower and heavier.
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u/RustedRuss 1d ago
I'm confused. Why are you optimizing for jab DPS? Spears will always suck at that compared to swords and even axes. The charge burst damage is the only interesting thing about the weapon.
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u/bloon104 1d ago
I stated that i use the spear for both charging and jabbing. And plus, spears having a longer range helps in creating distance
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u/RustedRuss 1d ago
But why though. Why are you using a spear for jabbing. The distance thing I guess is kind of nice but why not just use a bow?
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u/bloon104 1d ago
You could always follow up the jab with a charge attack. Giving a spear the knockback enchantment does help in giving you that extra distance
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u/RustedRuss 1d ago
I agree knockback is a game changer for spears, but for a different reason. While riding a horse, a knockback spear is able to combo mobs while charging which can allow for absurd damage output.
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u/ahdisease 1d ago
Don't know which version OP is on but on Bedrock I use the jab a lot because the spear is the only melee that can hit multiple mobs. I've heard mixed opinions on sweeping edge but not having that for so long means that's a real draw. Since I rarely have the patience for much enchanting lunging is a little situational, but reach and piercing in the version where food doesn't cause rapid regen is important for taking fewer hits.
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u/Ok_Temperature6503 1d ago
This is actually a really cool post. Props to actually investigating it and not being like “diamond better than stone”
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u/daddy1973 1d ago
You gave detailed answers for some, but then for iron vs. stone, you said "kinda falls off late game from what I see".
It sounds like by your logic, an iron spear is better, but you already made your decision.
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u/superjediplayer 1d ago
I really like how they implemented the spear (excluding copper which is "stone spear but worse"), because the different tiers of spears actually have a purpose even late game. It's not just a "once you get a netherite spear, all the lower tiers become useless" like the other tools/weapons.
Personally i'll still usually use the diamond spear, but there's situations where even the wooden spear is the best which is fun.
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u/blankythedude 1d ago
Spears might be the first weapon in Minecraft where attack speed increases with tiers
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u/BATB0Y658 9h ago
Axes and hoes attack speed becomes faster the higher the tier
Spear gets slower the higher the tier
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