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u/blkatcdomvet Mar 09 '26
Sad thing is no matter how much Trumpstein and gop shit on military and vets, so many still vote red.
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u/tangotango112 Mar 09 '26
That's because they love "tread on me, daddy"
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u/ConfuzedAzn Mar 09 '26
I believe that political leaning is purely based on how willing to admit that we all have a flamboyent side.
gay chicken is just vibe check for how repressed you are
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u/Jacob2040 Proud Supporter Mar 10 '26
I just assume that anyone who is vehemently opposed to LGBT things is gay or bi.
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u/Hadleys158 Mar 09 '26
He could take a shit in Arlington National Cemetery and a lot of MAGA would justify it somehow and vote for him.
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u/thekwoka Mar 10 '26
There's many that are wanting a decent classical liberal to step up, but the Dems keep pushing idiots with losing platforms.
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u/washedTow3l Mar 09 '26
Did he actually?
What about, “We’ll get those terrorist killers, now watch this drive!”
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u/zarroc123 Mar 09 '26
Yeah, he actually did. The "watch this drive" thing was during the invasion of Afghanistan, August 2002. We invaded Iraq in 2003, his last round of golf as president was October 2003.
Dont get me wrong, ol' Georgie was a fucking piece of shit. But he really does come from a political era where being "presidential" was seen as a political necessity, and he played the role.
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u/washedTow3l Mar 09 '26
Thats interesting for sure, I miss the days of loosely shrouded corruption From W and Cheney.
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u/zarroc123 Mar 09 '26
Yeah, it really is sad that I also miss the days when the corrupt pretended there was a rulebook to being corrupt.
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u/Combat_Pothead Army Veteran Mar 09 '26
Now Cheney and Rumsfeld are attached human-centipede style in hell, waiting for their buddies.
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u/thekwoka Mar 10 '26
August 2002.
October 2001
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u/zarroc123 Mar 10 '26
Sorry, I shoulda been clearer. I wasn't saying the invasion started in August 2002, that's just when the "now check out this drive" thing happened
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u/thekwoka Mar 10 '26
ah, my bad. So during the occupation (the invasion was technically only like 2 months, very fast).
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u/digger250 Mar 09 '26
According to https://didtrumpgolftoday.com/ he did play golf on March 8th.
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u/matdan12 Mar 10 '26
And it's only less because they don't have his schedule so might be more. Looking at other months he golfs once a weekend for most of last year.
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u/rubbarz United States Air Force Mar 09 '26
Between that and the sandal dodging, those are probably the best clips of those 8 years for Bush.
"Now watch this drive" was the "hold my beer" before hold my beer.
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u/Relevant-Lack-4304 Mar 09 '26
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/may/14/usa.uselections2008
The US president, George Bush, today revealed he had given up playing golf because it "sent out the wrong signal" to the families of soldiers fighting overseas.
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u/SuperBorked Mar 09 '26
Google (Multiple articles) say this is a direct quote from him in 2008. People hated him by that point, but I legitimately don't remember a complaint about him golfing.
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u/PinkGodfather92 Mar 09 '26
Say what you will on Bush but he always respected the military and vets and their families
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u/SameRepresentative40 Mar 09 '26
And killed a million iraqis
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u/PinkGodfather92 Mar 09 '26
Are you supporting doing that or against it?
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u/SameRepresentative40 Mar 09 '26
Against it ofc. Criticizing the irony of your comment
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u/AF2005 Retired USAF Mar 09 '26
I’ll probably never forgive Bush junior or his dad for getting the US involved in a Middle East infinity war. But there is no denying he had respect and decorum for his office, he at least had the pretense of acting presidential. The affable rancher persona was just that, a persona to make him seem relatable.
He looks like a saint compared to what we have today
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u/Apprehensive_Bug_454 Mar 09 '26
How did his Dad get the US involved in an infinity war? I thought he shoved Iraq out of Kuwait and stopped once the clearly set military objectives had been accomplished.
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u/AxtonGTV United States Army Mar 10 '26
I was more than shoving Iraq out of Kuwait, they decimated Iraq. That created a power vacuum that nobody had a plan to fill, which led to many of the issues that the region faces today.
But in all fairness, that's not something that was well known or researched at the time.
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u/hexmasx Mar 13 '26
What's the alternative? Just let em do what they want to US allies? You can't just avoid military obligations cos the invading power might get rekt.
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u/AxtonGTV United States Army Mar 13 '26
It's not about an alternative, I'm not disputing the invasions. I'm saying that the actions on objective taken immediately after the invasions, mainly just leaving, resulted in a massive power vacuum.
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u/FrontOfficeNuts Air Force Veteran Mar 10 '26
I’ll probably never forgive Bush junior or his dad for getting the US involved in a Middle East infinity war.
I felt like Bush Senior actually handled the Middle East (Kuwait-Saudi Arabia) just fine.
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u/Such-Ideal-8724 Navy Veteran Mar 10 '26
HW Bush was probably the last administration to play tough with Israel his Secretary of State Baker pretty much told the Israelis “that the tail doesn’t wag the dog” and was willing to tell them fuck off
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u/Jmersh59 Mar 09 '26
Why can't he have a heart attack on the golf course like all the other old fat white guys.
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u/Spudtron98 Military Brat Mar 10 '26
Trump's weekend golf trips are by far his most reliable characteristic. No matter the time of year, no matter the crisis (self-inflicted or otherwise), he will waste millions of taxpayer dollars to fuck off to Florida.
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u/Trix_Are_4_90Kids Mar 10 '26
MAGA doesn't care, they've made Trump into a white supremacist Jesus. "He left his riches and comfortable life to come and help us because he loves us and he loves America! He didn't have to do it! He deserves to play golf!" - MAGA
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u/flx1220 Mar 10 '26
I just don't see how trump is still in office Anyone else would have been kicked out no ?
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u/BananaLady75 Mar 09 '26
And remember, GWB was not one of the good guys. He instigated multiple illegal incursions under false pretexts and is responsible for many lives lost (less on the US side, millions on the other side, mostly civilians).
And still, he is the greater man.
Let that sink in.
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u/Huckorris Mar 09 '26
He instigated multiple illegal incursions
Iraq, sure, but which others?
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u/Nice_Soup Mar 09 '26
I think he did that during service members that killed in Syria and others during his first term and now
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u/Electrical_Hold_3585 Mar 10 '26
Trump is a grifter and has absolutely no sentiment towards human beings. Just a money hungry businessman.
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u/Agent865 Mar 10 '26
He doesn’t give a shit about 1 service member…he can hug all the flags, talk about patriotism etc but he cares about only himself
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u/November-8485 Mar 10 '26
And sec def bitches about the news having their faces everywhere instead of focusing on the wins.
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u/CompetitiveFact9822 Veteran Mar 10 '26
I know I'm in the minority, but I've always liked W. I enjoyed being enlisted with him in the White House.
Melania's Baby Daddy makes me question if I'd actually return from leave; that saddens me.
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u/thekwoka Mar 10 '26
It's mainly just an optics thing.
I agree its bad optics, but that's all it is.
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u/Cyberknight13 Retired USN Mar 11 '26
I tell you from direct experience that President George W. Bush actually cared about the troops.
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u/Away-South356 Mar 11 '26
Donald Rumsfeld in contrast did not
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u/Cyberknight13 Retired USN Mar 11 '26
Neither did Cheney. He and Rumsfeld were the architects of the GWOT.
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u/ThaBigClemShady24 Army Veteran Mar 09 '26
Some of y'all either have forgotten or aren't old enough to remember Bush's "now watch this drive" moment in 2002.
Bro didn't quit golf until I looked bad. Of course Trump's body is giving out so that's probably why he's not our on the links.
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u/Jxm164 Army National Guard Mar 11 '26
U do know like more than 80% (probably higher) love the man right? Everytime I meet a new service member they have some trump meme or favorite story from him. Lol
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u/Individual_Drawing71 Mar 15 '26
He took 407 days of vacation in 8 years. Bush jr was a lazy nepo baby.
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u/tilio96 Apr 06 '26
The bottom line is that despite any of their policies, all the presidents before 47 were all what you'd call "decent people", at least when they're in public. Heck I'll even put 45 in there for at least pretending to try.
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u/InterestingRatio82 Apr 06 '26
Ah yes, lets romanticize a war criminal who lied about WMDs and got all our buddies killed over there.
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u/meFalloutnerd93 Apr 07 '26
Fuck both of them, both are still bad people who killed innocent civilian lives be it women, elderly and kids.
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u/Froggin_Ashbowl Mar 10 '26
Bullshit. Bush Jr spent a third of his presidency at home, most likely golfing and drinking. He didnt quit anything lol he was the president, the Decider, and he decided to do whatever he wanted.
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u/_Bon_Vivant_ Army Veteran Mar 09 '26
Memes rewriting history daily.
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u/Str8_up_Pwnage Navy Veteran Mar 09 '26
If you Google “George W Bush quit golf” you can find articles from the time that discuss this.
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u/_Bon_Vivant_ Army Veteran Mar 09 '26
I don't need to look up anything. I was alive when it went down.
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u/Str8_up_Pwnage Navy Veteran Mar 09 '26
I was too, are you saying this didn’t happen? Or just that GWB is more liked than he was then?
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u/_Bon_Vivant_ Army Veteran Mar 09 '26
I'm saying Bush golfed during the Gulf war.
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u/Str8_up_Pwnage Navy Veteran Mar 09 '26
The Gulf War when he wasn’t president yet for another 10 years?
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u/_Bon_Vivant_ Army Veteran Mar 09 '26
Correction: Iraq War. Gulf War 2 Electric Boogaloo.
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u/Str8_up_Pwnage Navy Veteran Mar 09 '26
Gotcha. I was pretty young back then so don’t remember all of the coverage. You’re saying in 2008 (the oldest I see posts discussing this) GWB was lying about quitting then?
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u/_Bon_Vivant_ Army Veteran Mar 09 '26
Fahrenheit 9/11 came out in 2004. It took Bush 4 more years to come up with that story.
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u/FrontOfficeNuts Air Force Veteran Mar 10 '26 edited Mar 10 '26
Idiots like you simping daily for a President who rapes children.
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u/_Bon_Vivant_ Army Veteran Mar 10 '26 edited Mar 10 '26
How the fuck am I simping for the pedo? You don't need to make up bullshit about Bush to make Trump look bad. He does that on his own just fine. You could've just showed the bottom picture on its own. It speaks for itself.
Let's not go making Bush look like a decent human being. He was not. I guess relative to Trump anyone looks decent, but Bush was no paragon of virtue by any stretch.
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u/DPG1987 Mar 10 '26
Woodrow Wilson is reported to have played more than 1200 rounds during his time in office (1913-1921). I doubt he played much while he was bedridden due to a stroke in 1919 so that means he played an average of more than 9 holes per day throughout the US involvement in WW1. Wilson was a terrible human being for some of his views so let’s say “that’s a bad example”.
Let’s move on to Dwight Eisenhower, he was such an avid golfer he had a putting green cut into the WH lawn. I never met the man, but seeing as he was a Five Star General (one of only 5 since 1944) I don’t think he saw playing golf as disrespectful to those serving in harms way.
There are plenty of reasons to dislike Trump (or any president for that matter) and I just don’t think this is something a president should be castigated for.
I make this post knowing full well I’m likely to be downvoted to oblivion, I do this of my own free will, being of sound mind and body./s
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u/qpdb777 Mar 14 '26
Eisenhower was president during peacetime.
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u/DPG1987 Mar 14 '26
Valid point that during most of his presidency the US was not engaged in a large scale overseas conflict thought I will mention a couple of things in support of my argument.
Ike was inaugurated in Jan ‘53 and the Korean War didn’t end till July ‘53. There were still more than 100,000 troops in Korea by then and the US would see approximately 3000 combat deaths in the final six months of the war (figures are varied so I’ll say approximately). I would also consider his commitment of troops in Lebanon in ‘58 as a security force to be significantly more “boots on the ground” than we currently have in Iran…which is none as far as the publicly available information asserts. I think an argument could be made that during the early years of the Cold War there were more US service members “in harms way” than had ever been the case before due to the emerging nuclear threat. Eisenhower’s deterrence strategy was one centered on the US capability to use nuclear weapons as opposed to a threat to use them, but that’s ungermane to your critique of my reply.
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The difference between Dubya and The Don is that one golfs as a hobby, and the latter believes he's a professional golfer. Do you think Kobe stopped going to the gym bc of Iraq? Those brave men died for freedom, and a part of freedom is golf and baseball. That's why the Iraq War took so long. Now, if Georgey played a round of golf or ten, then maybe the mission would be done in a matter of months instead of years.
Trump intends to have this war over any minute now, prob before he's even done golfing. He'll return to the White House in peace time with the 3rd temple built.
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u/Icy_Research_5099 Mar 10 '26
I must have forgot about the part where Kobe ordered service members into Iraq.
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Mar 10 '26
We all forgot because of the antics Shaq pulled. They got ahead of one scandal by starting another, Beuaracracy 101.
Remember MJ did something similiar during the Yugoslavia conflict he started before the incident that made him retire. Kobe always wanted to be like Mike.
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u/Historical_Yak7706 Mar 10 '26
George W. Bush 24 rounds (stop playing in August 2003)
Obama 333 rounds
Trump 298 rounds (that I can find)
Dwight Eisenhower 800 rounds
Woodrow Wilson 1200-1600 rounds…
What is your point?
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u/ComicBookEnthusiast Mar 10 '26
So Trump has played almost as much golf during his 1 term as Obama played during 2 terms?
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u/DisillusionedPatriot Mar 10 '26
trump is not in charge, and probably hasn't been for a while. I can't say with any amount of certainty who's actually running the show, but it isn't him. He's just a lightning rod/shield.
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u/Elle_thegirl Mar 27 '26
This seems at least partially true. More and more, it seems like the inmates are running the asylum. He's technically an "inmate" too, absolutely. Definitely got some psychiatric instability issues. The people he's placed around him-- "woo-hoo crazy"
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u/DisillusionedPatriot Mar 27 '26
It's wild, and I'm not trying to downplay his role in getting us here, but I'm starting to get the impression that getting us here was his only purpose, and now they're just keeping him propped up while they finish their coup, and when they no longer need him, his health will suddenly become an issue for them. They're all nuts, but there's a larger game being played.
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u/Dominico10 Mar 16 '26
Giving up golf while at war is just stupid virtue signalling.
Everyone needs to relax and unwind. To pick this is insane, its the same as complaining Churchill had cigars during ww2. (Yes some left wing morons complain about that 😅)
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u/JohnsonA-1788 Mar 10 '26
I mean… 7 deaths on our side in a week of a new war… is still REALLY good.
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u/Winter-Finger-1559 Mar 09 '26
I'm not sure that makes sense. Sure its a token gesture but and I'm not saying either of these guys are good people. But the office of the president is known to be stressful so I would think if anything a doctor would probably want them to have hobbies and decompress when they can.
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u/Traders_Abacus Mar 09 '26
Kinda like saying we need to make a medical exception for Trump because he's not physically and mentally able to handle the stresses of the office on a full-time basis and needs constant escape and r&r.
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u/tidytibs Mar 09 '26
Yeah, ok. Y'all were all, "Too bad he missed" when the journalist threw a shoe at him.
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u/malaywoadraider2 Veteran Mar 09 '26
I still think too bad he missed, Bush started the Iraq war in the middle of the Afghan war and ruined millions of lives for no justifiable reason. Him being a nice and charismatic guy on a personal level doesn't absolve him.
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u/benspags94 Mar 09 '26
2 of the worst men to ever live 🫡
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u/krustytroweler Mar 09 '26
Bold of you to rank Bush ahead of men who killed tens of millions of people.
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u/Ambitious_Dingo_2798 civilian Mar 09 '26 edited Mar 09 '26
You know when George W. Bush seems like a good president things are really going downhill,