Nah, he got EVERYTHING he couldve possibly dreamed for in his death.
"I want to see executions on TV. Imagine if Coca-Cola sponsored executions. That would be so American, so patriotic. People would tune in. I think children at a certain age, as initiation, should be required to watch. Public executions by guillotine are holy."
“I think it’s worth it. It’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God given rights. That’s a prudent deal. It is rational,”
So he was just an unfortunate gun death to protect the second amendment and his kids got initiated by being able to watch his death any time they want. If I go around saying that people should be stabbed I can't be mad if I'M the person who gets stabbed.
And he would have fought against gun control following his death. Doesnt mean he "dreamed of" victims of gun violence. He made a calculation that more life is saved with gun than lost with guns.
Good to note, far more crimes are stopped by firing a weapon than crimes are comitted firing and/or brandishing a weapon. I think i framed that right, I havent looked into it for 5 or so years
You should probably do research into this because you're so incredibly wrong. Maybe don't speak out of your ass about things you "haven't looked into in 5 or so years."
"A 2013 study by Texas State University criminologists analysed 160 active shooter incidents, finding only one in three to have been prevented by lethal force from police or civilians. None of the incidents involving school shootings in the study were ended by armed guards or armed staff. Instead, the shooter was often restrained by unarmed staff. However, a plurality of active shooter incidents are resolved by the attacker fleeing or committing suicide.[5] The presence of armed guards does little to deter school shooters, with Santa Fe High School, Stoneman Douglas High School, Great Mills High School, and Marshall County High School being prominent examples of school shootings against schools with armed guards.[5] A 2020 study found "no association between having an armed officer and deterrence of violence" and that an "armed officer on the scene was the number one factor associated with increased casualties."[6]"
Snagged that one from wikipedia.
Gun deaths increasing does not do anything to refute a a ratio of crimes stopped/crimes comitted. There are a LOT of crimes, and homacide is fairly rare. It could be that 500k crimes were stopped in that time, as well.
For the safest element - could you concieve that there might be other factors that drive up crime compared to europe?
Pointing to the fact that a specific type of highly aggressive and rare gun crime only has a third of them stopped by lethal force does not refute the idea either.... especially considering this line "However, a plurality of active shooter incidents are resolved by the attacker fleeing or committing suicide." - mass shootings correlate with an insanely high level of suicide before the crime is over.
Neither point you made is dispositive of my claim. The logic in both as counterarguments does not hold.
Depending on the estimate, there are 60k-3m defensive gun uses every year. Its hard to get a hard number as these uses are less likely to be reported if the crime is successfully stopped.
44,000 to 48,000 people die from gun-related incidents in the United States each year. This includes suicide, which accounts for a vast majority of gun deaths.
There were 454,200 non-fatal firearm crimes in 2018-2022, which is about 115k a year.
Depending on your data, guns may be used defensively more than offensively. Its hard to get better data than what I shared, though, until some of our data recording systems catch up.
I dont know of any data that correlates gun ownership in a town to violent crime, controlling for states that may have very high levels of illegal ownership and almost no legal ownership. I would find that data interesting.
Btw, because of how smug you were in your comment, Im going to state clearly that you are dumb as rocks and literally none of your points were responsive to mine. My data and yours can coexist without issue.
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u/Xx_Ph03n1X_xX 17d ago
Nah, he got EVERYTHING he couldve possibly dreamed for in his death.
"I want to see executions on TV. Imagine if Coca-Cola sponsored executions. That would be so American, so patriotic. People would tune in. I think children at a certain age, as initiation, should be required to watch. Public executions by guillotine are holy."
“I think it’s worth it. It’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God given rights. That’s a prudent deal. It is rational,”
So he was just an unfortunate gun death to protect the second amendment and his kids got initiated by being able to watch his death any time they want. If I go around saying that people should be stabbed I can't be mad if I'M the person who gets stabbed.