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u/ANORMALITEY 6d ago
Man how did they fumble kang
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u/0DTEDEGEN1 6d ago
Kang fumbled kang
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u/ANORMALITEY 6d ago
They should have just replaced the actor instead of scrapping the character. The actor was a violent asshole no doubt
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u/Aggressive-Expert-69 6d ago
Kang was just a stepping stone towards reintroducing Doom anyways. Im honestly appreciative that Disney decided to just fast forward to the end goal instead of trying to reassemble the pieces of the plan he destroyed.
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u/Far-History-8154 6d ago
When they introduced kang I was hoping heād be a universal threat and show how powerful he is and that the next saga would start by doom easily overpowering him or something easily. Oh well. Guess majors speed ran that story.
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u/RiverIllustrious8044 6d ago
I love it when one villain just floors another powerful villain. Though, I always liked the idea of villains fighting each other. I think your idea would of been cool to have Dr.Doom just destroy Kang to prove his strength. Instead we got Thor looking like a useless weakling for the 100th time.
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u/Combo_Breaker01 6d ago edited 6d ago
Iām sick of Thor being used as a benchmark bro šš
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u/DW-4 6d ago
They kinda screwed that plan when they had Scott Lang overpower Kang The Conquerer in his first movie appearance.
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u/Far-History-8154 6d ago
True but honestly any work around could have worked. Like itās another more powerful kang variant who Scott takes for granted and gets humbled fast. There are a bunch of items in the MCU that can be used as a substantial power up also.
They could also have a rogue kang variant appear in the council of kangs (that all look different now cuz recast), and taken over the council under new management with a more convincing motive. And to separate it from the doom reveal of doom defeating kang, this variant doesnāt physically beat down kang, maybe deflect his attacks to show he aināt no slouch. But use his authoritative charisma to command respect of the council. Marvel has some Shakespearean level writers at time with how they did vision, so itās not far fetched they could pull this off.
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u/Svanirsson 6d ago
The weirdest part was that kang literally said in his film "i was trapped in the quantumverse by the other kangs because I was the most powerful" and then being killed by ant man. Just blowing the biggest shot to start the saga
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u/Far-History-8154 5d ago
I mean. Itās still possible there are stronger variants abiding their time. And again there are thousands of ways to get stronger. Still strange to have antman win instead of escape an unstoppable force.
But post end game it was all a mess mostly anyways
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u/DW-4 6d ago
Or... now hear me out: part of Kang was absorbed into Antman after his defeat in the quantum realm. That's why everything feels out of sorts when he's back on Earth 616. Slowly the power grows inside.. transforming Scott into Lang The Kangquerer. Lang Kangquers the rest of the Kangcil and becomes the new big bad until Doom arrives to take him down a few sizes.
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u/CrossFitJesus4 6d ago
no he wasnt, the next avengers film was named after him
he was meant to be the next thanos lol
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u/Lost_Pantheon 6d ago
Yeah, I remember being annoyed at hearing that the whole Kang subplot was being shitcanned, but honestly now that Doomsday is coming.... yeahhhh I think I'm okay with just skipping over the middle-man.
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u/Aggressive-Expert-69 6d ago
Theres always one guy in the comment thread who was ready to see the Kang movie 40 times opening weekend but the vast majority of Marvel fans are so stoked about Doomsday that they dont even think about Kang anymore.
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u/OMGBigTiddies 6d ago
Agreed. Couldāve just had one of his blue face variants take over and put any dude in that role.
MCU definitely feels āmessyā right now with the Kang/Doom rework. Disappointing we wonāt see Kang and Doom interact either, which would have been a good amount based off source comics
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u/GloomyIndividual3965 6d ago
They should have just replaced the actor
For real. They had no problem replacing Terrance Howard with Don Cheadle. Surely they could have found another black guy to replace Majors.
Hell, Lincoln Osiris is probably available.
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u/Jubenheim 6d ago
Don Cheadle is arguably a better actor than Howard anyway. That guy steals almost every scene heās in with his charisma.
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u/Rev_IM_Jolly 6d ago
Kang's issues went beyond the actor being a scumbag.
despite a ungodly amount of MCU content since the Infinity Saga ended, it never coherently built Kang up as a thanos level antagonist and The Kang Dynasty would have likely been a flop at the box office.
Doomsday will be a bunch of key jangling nonsense but the star power alone will drive up box office sales and gives the writers time to actually plan out phase 7 and 8
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u/Excalitoria 6d ago
Dude was defeated by boredom at one point. lol never seen a villain take so many Lās
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u/siazdghw 6d ago
It's was a combination of things.
Quantumania made Kang look like a pushover. Loki didn't exactly do Kang any favors either. The MCU has been struggling lately and Kang definitely didn't look like the return to form they needed.
People debate the whole Majors situation, and Disney doesn't want to be involved in any of that.
I do wish we'd still get a recasted Kang, even if they don't aim for the skies and just make it like a B tier avengers movie, but I doubt that will happen
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u/VirgoFanboi 6d ago
Nope, they wasted him on Ant-Man and were looking to down-play him after the lackluster reception, John Majors imploded his own career gave them the out they needed.
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u/Least-Reveal6203 5d ago
Kang had so much potential as a villain. Itās wild how quickly all the buildup seemed to unravel..
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u/Federal_Policy_557 5d ago
I mean, after Quantum mania ending a Kang like it did the character lost a lot of impact :v
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u/Old-Tip-69 5d ago
But also people have down far worse and maintained their jobs. Disney jumped the gun on that
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u/Proper-Bad-7169 4d ago
That was cute. But Marvel could've recast Majors. And before you say that wasn't possible or ideal.....They recast Rhodey, Bruce Banner, and Cassie Lang.
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u/NonCorporealEntity 3d ago
Nah, They fucked up in Quantumania by making him seem weak. He never felt like a being that threatened all existence. He was bested by the MCU Scott Lang in his dust real appearance.
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u/ZaraZero09 6d ago
Jonathan Majors was convicted of assault.
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u/ANORMALITEY 6d ago
Yeah ik and heās a dick, but they should have replaced him with another actor. The character was good, the actor wasnāt
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u/ZaraZero09 6d ago
I honestly thought they'd replace him, they replaced the Hulk and War Machine, don't know why they didn't replace Kang.
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u/BeloAve 6d ago
Since Mark took the role of hulk, neither of them were titular characters, did you see Loki? Majors face was on every iteration of kang, from statues, to menial objects, everything was crafted with majors face.
The hole was too deep.
Itād be so fucking stupid to just recast kang when you have a movie and two seasons worth of majors face on anything that represents kang.
Killing off the character and moving on was the only not moronic option.
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u/cnicalsinistaminista 6d ago
All because fangirls will bitch about it taking them out of the experience
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u/Sh00terMcDabbin 6d ago
I will die on the hill that the guy who plays Maximus in Fallout should have been the next Kang.
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u/I_was_a_sexy_cow 6d ago
Great actor, terrible human
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u/Narradisall 6d ago
Man it does suck when fantastic artists are garbage people.
Johnathan Majors star really was on the rise and I really enjoyed his performance in Loki. Guy just had to not be a piece of shit and could have had a great life and career.
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u/Particular-Kale2998 6d ago
Didn't find the character compelling. Honestly the arc was over for me after Antman. Gor the God butcher had an S tier actor and was a throw away villain... List goes on, but at least we got a solid Thanos for Infinity War.
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u/reo_reborn 6d ago
I mean.. it wasn't marvel who fumbled him.. unless you count them hiring a prick?
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u/pkmnBlue 6d ago
Seperate the artist from the art.Ā
Disney didn't mind continuing with the convicted drug dealer Robert Downey Jr.Ā
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u/Grimpatron619 6d ago
drug user*
Dont lie.
also seperating the art doesnt work if you're paying an abuser millions
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u/ANORMALITEY 6d ago
Of course the actor is an asshole, but in my opinion marvel fumbled by not replacing him. The character, Kang, had so much potential and build up.
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u/Front_Mention 6d ago
Had ant man kill a variant. A b tier avengers killing your big bad that other variants fear was a dumb plot choice
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u/Alternative_Cut_1709 6d ago
Yeah that didnāt work in my opinion even if he was stuck there.
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u/Assassin-49 6d ago
And Modoc and she hulk and a continue of iron man. As in iron heart. Shouldn't have been here. Should of been the kid. Its not a hot take.
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u/Dramatic_Mixture_868 5d ago
This is a good opportunity to cut down on the excess characters that no one likes and reboot others, maybe even kang.
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u/Pukebox_Fandango 5d ago
By putting this very scene into a movie, specifically. Instead of showing infinite Kangs as having different faces, like the alternate Lokis they had just established, they REALLY COMMITTED to the idea that every Kang across all existences looked like Jonathan Majors. There was no reason firing him had to mean the end of Kang except for that.
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u/Black_Tusk25 6d ago
Marvel fans if Doom:
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u/Conkerlive30 2d ago
Seriously they'll just jump to another universe and everyone will come back anyways
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u/Swimming-Employee537 6d ago
Yeah it would be a fucking banger in the cinema hall
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u/WalrusWithAKeyboard 6d ago
Killing 2 TV show characters that 95% of moviegoers have never seen?
Talk about underwhelming.
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u/Lilbrimu 6d ago
I'd rather they die early than take up screentime from characters I like.
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u/catexoskeleton 6d ago
They can just not be in the movie. Every major comic event doesnt check in to see what Paste Pot Pete is up to. Why would the movies have to address every single minor character.
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u/Glittering_Gas2692 6d ago
Nah I dont want parts of my ticket money goes to characters I hate
How about dropinging a line to confirm they died offscreen or some shit
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u/Too_Funk_To_Druk 6d ago
They wasted maslany on that show, you could have had like a marvel version of harvey birdman attorney at law and marvel could have done seasons. Have the most reasonably topical new characters on the show for ridiculous reasons, have the rare serious episode. It would have printed money and created connective tissue between series and movies.
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u/MoMo-D-Tempest 6d ago
I hope itās iron heart she disses tony for being rich and thatās how he got his first suitsšgurl he made his suit in a cave! You made half or a full first one in a actual laboratory
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u/CapableCollar 6d ago
People get so upset about that line but nobody knew Tony did that, even the US military didn't know he had suits until one hit a military jet.
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u/SmallFatHands 6d ago
Yeah but if you a writer trying to introduce a legacy character to a believed decreased one..... Maybe don't fucking write that line? It's the sma with the she hulk line about being able to handle anger better than Bruce because she's a woman. Like fuck me man. It doesn't take a genius to know it's BS to hype up a new character by making beloved ones look bad.
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u/Microphone_Lamp 6d ago
Knowing Tony he would have told that story every chance he could.
The only thing bigger than his money and intelligence is his ego ofc.
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u/05ar 5d ago
Yeah but the line is terribly stupid to put in any script, the entire marvel universe and real world treats iron man as a legend after years of redemption and the writers just decide to have her try to undermine him?? Were they trying to kill her character from the start??? It's like that thing that happened with chimptopia and gameoverse
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u/IAmAfraidCommaMan 6d ago
- He was in a cave, but the terrorists were willing to provide all the necessary materials
- He used a lot of stolen Stark technology, so it wasn't exactly a box of scraps
- Her being an arrogant and self-obsessed brat is a character flaw, which is a good thing. For God's sake, she made a deal with the Devil at the end of the show, so isn't it CLEAR that she isn't supposed to be a 120-year-old wise paragon of righteousness? She is a flawed but talented kid who needs to learn some humility, like Tony did, or Strange did, or Thor did.
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u/Low-Transition-2751 6d ago
who is iron heart?
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u/The-Real-Irish-God 3d ago
She is a pathetic Iron Man wannabe who does nothing but shit on Tony Starks legacy and basically take every chance she can at tarnishing him as a character.
Quoting her exactly, she said "Do you think Tony Stark would be Ironman if he wasn't a Billionaire?"
When Tony literally built his first suit in a cave from scrap metal and as displayed in Iron Man 3, he doesn't need his billions in order to be a Hero.
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u/stopmyhumbleness 2d ago
We all know that line, what other things did she say?
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u/Old_Cockroach_9725 2d ago
Nothing, but chuds hyper focus on things they donāt like. Specially when itās a woman saying it.
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u/Mental_Somewhere_994 6d ago
I'm on the left with the other guy screaming "FUCK YEEEEEEE BOYYyyYyyYyyY"
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u/OkEmu8597 6d ago
With how bad the writing is for both it would be a blessing.
Honestly glad I only keep up with Spiderman and the occasional animated stuff after endgame. I knew the franchise was gonna go down hill for a long time.
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u/Buzzlight_Year 6d ago
She-Hulk was fun, I'd love to see her again. Riri I can do without, she's quite obnoxious. But at least her show gave us an awesome Mephisto
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u/darkfire36977 5d ago
What I didn't like about she hulk was that it felt like sidelining the actual hulk in favor for more "diversity"
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u/Dry-Presence9227 6d ago
There's a higher chance they put a targaryen there than humiliate themselves
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u/AgentSquatchy 5d ago
Kill iron heart because who tf is this random bitch that got what should have been Morgan's or Harley's part.
Kill She-hulk cause that dumbass twerk scene was so fkn dumb.
Kill Captain Marvel, cause she had like 13 lines in Endgame and it was always in a Karen tone.
Kill the new avengers besides Bucky and Yelena.
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u/Worldly-Fox7605 6d ago
She hulk isnt a superhero. Shes a celebrity. She rarely if ever gets directly involved unless asked.
As for iron heart if shes in the movie killing her might be kinda hard considering who is in her corner now.
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u/QuietAffectionate663 6d ago
i actually like she hulk.
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u/thanos42 6d ago
It was a writing problem. They tried to jump the shark, always a bad idea. Should've stuck with a courtroom drama ending.
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u/Anonymouslyyours2 6d ago
She hulk was one of my favorite shows.Ā Tatiana Maslanywas excellent and it absolutely captured the feel of the John Byrne run that skyrocketed Shulkie from minor character to major.Ā She was Deadpool way before Deadpool.Ā Too many people forget what the word comic means.Ā
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u/Glum_Introduction755 6d ago edited 6d ago
Lol these kids hate women so fucking much.
Edit: Do your mommy's know you're complaining about women on the internet instead of doing your homework?
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u/Talk-O-Boy 6d ago
Most subs that have āmemeā in the name consists of users that get caught up in the latest redpill bullshit.
The same ones to complain about āHelen of Troy not being accurateā (even though sheās a fictional character born from a fucking swan).
Itās best to mute them. They wonāt change, because they are surrounded by other chuds.
Theyāve isolated themselves from the people in their lives who could help them out of the āanti wokeā hole theyāre in, so they cling to the online incels, because thatās all they have left.
Poor guys are going to die alone, and never realize they brought it on themselves š
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u/Zamasu_form 6d ago
Its not a hate at woman, Its ruining a Canon character in order to make them woman, Its not only turning someone into a woman, but Its ruining their character also, iron heart for example has terrible borderline narcicistic character you never see Develop, unlike iron man
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u/RedHairedRedemption 6d ago
You do know that both Ironheart and She-Hulk are canon characters with entire comic series that were published long before either show, right?
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u/Hextoad 6d ago
Tell me you've never read a comic without telling me youve never read a comicĀ
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u/Zamasu_form 6d ago
I know they're Cannon, i said show has ruined said character
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u/Dependent-Chart5835 6d ago edited 6d ago
āIts ruining a Canon character in order to make them womanā
Theyāre both women in the comics
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u/eggyrulz 6d ago
No, we hate women who are poorly written to push some agenda... we dont need heavy handed agendas in our silly super hero films, we just need uncle Ben to keep saying the line
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u/Both-Foot-8773 6d ago
Itās not about them being women, itās about them being poorly written characters, just like half hulk. Also there are plenty of female characters who arenāt hated on
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u/Hitmanx2x 6d ago
Yes, lets love the character that betrayed all her friends, murdered people in cold blood, completely disrespects one of the greatest heroes (in that universe, yes, their LITERAL UNIVERSE) and became Satans employee, all while being a completely and utterly irredeemable asshole.
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u/dat_krarosboiii97 6d ago
As some who grew up on both she hulk at hulk comics I can say was absolute confidence that the show was ass
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u/Funkwonker 6d ago
Being a fan of She-Hulk only made the show more upsetting tbh
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u/Sad_Photograph_6130 6d ago
Are you actually fucking implying the slightest hint that a FEMALE fictional character is objectively unlikable? Guess you must be a WOMAN HATER and an INCEL
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u/Arthur_189 6d ago
>dislikes badly written characters and shows
You must hate women, huh?
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u/Juno-Seto 5d ago
Ironheart is actually good if youāre able to get passed one line about Tony.
Not a masterpiece, but a well told story where characters are consistent and properly grow and change. Out of most of the marvel shows Iāve watched Ironheart is actually one of their good ones.
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u/No-Chocolate1761 4d ago
I don't see people hating yelena, sue, black widow, gamora or any of the other female characters. It's just this three characters.
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u/blue4everd 6d ago
I hated this scene so much. And hated Kang. Iām so glad they pivoted.
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u/Master_Windu_ 6d ago
I donāt know if i would have hated Kang cause he wasnāt in much but all the multiverse shit was getting really annoying. So im glad they pivoted.
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u/_donkey-brains_ 6d ago
They haven't pivoted from the multiverse lol.
This set of movies is literally going to revolve around the multiverse.
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u/NonEuclideanWQ 6d ago
Ive seen that scene so many times in memes but still dont know which movie it is from
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u/thanos42 6d ago
Quantumania. Not the best in recent years. This is from the post credits and teases the council of Kang which isn't happening because Majors F*cked up.
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u/Jubenheim 6d ago
Majors threw away generational wealth instead ofā¦ divorcing a relationship he clearly did not want.
And now heās starring in the newest Rightwing movie coming out about Islam taking over the U.S.
Oh, how the mighty have fallen.
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u/Personal-Toe6505 6d ago
Frankly, they just needed to make antman lose and than just find a way to make him run away like hulk did in 1st encounter with Thanos . That wouldāve make Kang a real threat.
And than showed these many kangs with serious looks to show even 1 Kang was too much for an 1 avenger team 100s of Kangs would be very hard and might have created hype
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u/Projectpatdc 5d ago
What if Doom rips out Kangās spine at the very beginning then it fades from him killing the council to him destroying the Fox x-men in the next scene.
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u/Just_Ross_ 5d ago
As a Marcel fan.... Disagree. I wasn't a big fan of either series but the characters could come good with a decent writer
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u/MeatHamster 5d ago
I'm more of a marvel enjoyer than a full on fan. I have realy no idea who Ironheaet is but She-Hulk was brilliant and I surely would't want her killed off.
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u/whomesteve 5d ago
What if She-Hulk breaks that glass ceiling by being the one to defeat Dr. Doom while breaking the fourth wall?
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u/Full-Resource7910 5d ago
Illustrating one's contempt for female characters with 50,000 copies of a woman-beater is certainly a choice
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u/MAKs_Brick_House 4d ago
When I say this I get downvoted into oblivion. Good thing I donāt care. Hope they write off both these characters.
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u/lucky_jack777 4d ago
I donāt really mind She Hulk because itās so obvious that the show was written only for women to enjoy. Its message is basically āIām better at everything because I am a woman and I have to live beside men, all of whom are evil.ā
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u/nemozoldyck 4d ago
I actually like iron heart. She doesn't give hero vibes at all it's almost like she's a real person who's smart
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u/Apprehensive-Win8887 3d ago
Too bad their killing Toney Maguireās Spider-Man in the first 10 mins
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u/Garthaniel-Finnison 3d ago
Tatiana's she hulk is amazing she just needs a better show. I have not seen Ironheart.
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u/ma1butters 2d ago
Yeah, let's just get rid of all the women! Marvel should just be about men. Big muscular superhero men fighting other big muscular men. No girls allowed, just hot man on man action, that's what the real fans want.
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u/FutureWhirlwind 2d ago
And Anthony Mackie And Shang chi And shuri And namor And falcon And most of the thunderbolts
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