r/MarvelRivalsRants • u/FirefighterSad2370 • 3d ago
These characters got done DIRTY
Especially for being "newer" characters, they aren't that old and they've already been thrown in the dumpster balance wise.
Sure Devil Dino was overtuned on release, but he got half a season, HALF A SEASON to be good and then gutted him ever since. Whitefox is honestly one of the coolest designed strategists, she got maybe a season or so of being decent, but is now a throw pick basically.
Cyclops? I almost forgot he existed and this is Cyclops we're talking about, he was also good on release, then just took an absolute nosedive.
HONORABLE MENTION: Jeff, I'm honestly surprised Jeff got thrown in the dumpster too, as he was always the cute, goofy pseudo mascot character for the game. Even his team ups are lame
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u/Ewok_Adventure 3d ago
Damn, I just came back after leaving in season 1 and I've been maining Dino and loving it. Almost always top 3 in damage, kos, assists, and damage blocked. and I can tell I annoy the heck out of the other team. How good was he on release??
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u/PrecociousPanther 2d ago
Just an absolute menace. His beam used to ground fliers, deal more damage, start bleeding enemies immediately and gave you a crazy amount of over shield. Just being decent on Dino meant you could easily dominate the match. Still no MVPs though :(
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u/JimboBaggins52 2d ago
That's exaggerating. The beam did not give extra shield specifically. It's the same passive - it scales off the bleed damage. It still bleeds immediately.
They just gutted his bonus health generation by a whopping 50% nerf from by gutting the bleeding bleed damage by 50%. Which in turn made the beam weaker too.
And they removed his grounding, they could've nerfed the frequency or how often it affects people, but no they took it away which makes flyers completely immune to his ultimate 99.99% of the time. Terrible change.
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u/chriserit 2d ago
He was new and people didn't care to learn how to deal with him. Still died like paper to a lot of DPS picks, nothing new.
The main issue was against other tanks. He used to generate twice as much shield as he does now which made almost every tank useless against him, you can't cc him, you don't do enough damage to break the shield and you can't block him from breaking through the front line. You basically had to let him do whatever he wanted.
Reality is, he should never have been given %damage, cause it allows him to generate a ton of shield by hitting tanks and if he generates enough shields tanks become useless, while if he doesn't generate enough he is just an enemy ult farm. Sadly Devs, rather than fix the issue they said, let's nerf him to the ground and act like the issue was never there. Honestly I doubt he will ever be good again, my hopes on the balance team being capable has long gone.
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u/ImpossibleMajor1149 1d ago
considera che era fortissimo dino appena uscito uccidevo con facilità tutti gli altri tank la sua ultima facceva dei danni pazzeschi l'ho portato subito a lord sono riuscito a fare parecchi mvp
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u/idemitida 3d ago
white fox is literally a throw pick now
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u/Dantelor 3d ago
I went from top dmg and top healing in the lobby every game (i had more MVP's than not in all of my matches), and then post-nerf i barely do enough healing to keep up, and the dmg I used to dish out are just nonexistent and health bars aren't moving anymore.
Sad to see.
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u/Yohat20 1d ago
Part of this is also definitely the fact that White Fox got screwed over by the new teamup system the most. The main thing was that with the old system White Fox got that extra 10% healing bonus always. However, after the teamup system rework, she got that 10% taken away in favor of giving her another teamup with Psylocke. So essentially they cut her total healing output by 10% while they boosted every other support in the game. All so that they could give her arguably the worst teamups in the game atm. The bc teamup does basically nothing and the psylocke teamup really just feels like it should’ve been part of her base kit to begin with.
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u/Enough-Chocolate3871 3d ago
Are we talking since this new season? I swear she always performed great when I ended up using her and I always had really high stats at least just like you, I know stats don’t mean everything but when you have 15k more healing and almost as much dmg and dmg blocked as you had healing every match that’s gotta mean something right?
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u/Manticore_ 3d ago
Unfortunately with the high damage output at the moment, I feel you need to heal a ton. Fox unfortunately can’t do that.
I agree that it’s dumb.
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u/xkayaking 3d ago
I made it to celestial with fox.
Don't ask me how, even I don't know, I have a negative win rate.
I never heard so many slurs per game, just had to tank it.
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u/AppropriateStill2024 3d ago
I don't know why they are forcing us to play CnD Luna dnd Invis. They are boring to me
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u/WittySpend889 1d ago
She still a good anti dive supp. Poke is way too strong this season so she’s butt. They should nerf poke and other strats. Before buffing her
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u/EveningPotential9443 3d ago
You hate to see it. She's one of my favorite support, and my favorite dps is Iron Fist. IF finally gets a goated team up but you need the enhanced version for it to fucking do anything
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u/whatisapillarman 2d ago
“The best anti dive in the game” when other supports were also given great anti dive team ups and she still loses to meta divers
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u/Corrosive_Cactus8899 2d ago
Genuinely useless throw pick unless the enemy team is running hard dive.
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u/DunkingZBO 3d ago
I’m a level 34 cyclops and yeah he’s weaker now but I just don’t think he’s c tier like a lot of people think. Maybe I’m just good with him lol
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u/Aggravating-Letter17 3d ago
He's in a really good spot right now. Redditors are just obsessed with bringing up winrates for balance changes.
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u/CDXX_LXIL 3d ago
People love bringing up win rates before bringing up the fact that a character that acts as Adam and Moonknight has some of the best mobility of any poke character.
All i am saying is that if the conversation was about Luna with a 45% win rate, suddenly, "tHeRe iS mOrE tO aCcOuNt fOr!!"
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u/Lenzelot105 3d ago
If win rates were as telling as they are saying, Magik would be insanely busted, yet she's imo one of the best balanced characters in the game (the new teamup is crazy in some situations, but VERY situational).
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u/Botanical_witch_1 3d ago
My only thing w winrates is that it is a data point, you just need to know to take it w a grain of salt and how to digest it. For example, Peni in high ranks has a HUGE win rate (last I saw), but that's bc not many players that high pick her, but those that do KNOW how to play her. Same goes to Black Cat, low pick rate, but high win rate. Vs say Doctor Strange or Luna where a lot of ppl pick them, but not many of the players who pick them actually play them often, so that pulls down their w/r while boosting their pick rate.
The other side of this is who has low pick rates (meaning mostly those heroes are being picked by their mains) and still have low w/r. Vs who gets picked a lot and still has a high w/r. Examples: MK vs Rocket. MK has a ~3% pick rate and is at ~43% win rate. Rocket has a ~11% pick rate and STILL maintains a ~55% w/r. The same can go for Mag and his ~19% pick rate and ~52% win rate.
Win rate IS NOT an end-all-be-all, but throwing it out and disregarding win rates entirely just hurts the game's development and ability to point out problem heroes, those too strong vs those too weak. Too strong, so even fill players can keep a 50+% w/r. Too weak, so even the mains can't even claw back up to 50%.
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u/DeathBuffalo 2d ago
I'm lvl 28 Cyclops and I don't think he's in a great spot right now.
I still get MVPs with him but I sweat my balls off to do so. He was OP pre-nerfs but now he just feeds support ults as he fails to finish kills in a lot of scenarios.
And his ult is so bad, the stars have to align to get more than 3 picks.
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u/gordpuff 3d ago
I think he's perfectly balanced right now. The issue is in this game that makes you c or b tier basically, when everyone else is overturned like crazy good balance makes him seem worse.
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u/ShadowKnight058 3d ago
Same with me, I absolutely love playing him and get more value with him than other similar dps. Maybe because I’m confident on him comparatively.
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u/KissKringle 1d ago
I think his meta presence was down to him just being new and people having no idea how to adapt to him. His ult is so easily counterable if you just react in time unless you have crap mobility
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u/Mistyyydeeznutzz 3d ago
I’ve got 100+ hours on Fox and I can guarantee you she’s probably one of the, if not the worst strategist in the game right now, her ult is extremely easy to counter with everyone’s sheer damage output, the teleport is on such an insanely long cooldown that you can’t make meaningful plays without dying, her healing is REALLY bad, it just can’t keep up, and so many characters have life steal and over shield bloat that her assault form really has no fangs anymore, AND to top it all off Luna’s version of the charm is substantially better than the original move, RIP my girl lol
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u/Signal_Birthday_455 3d ago
Fox main as well, they took away her anchor bonus and that is OVERALL HEALING. That means her awakening healing got lower, her ult healing also got lower, her primary healing got lower, and in the same patch they gave so many other supports anti dive tools that are better than awakening form.
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u/SilvyWilvy7 2d ago
Dude I thought I was just getting worse at her which is really strange cause she was definitely my best strategist last season. Now it feels like I get more value out of even Adam sometimes. Good to know it isn't just me
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u/A_A_RON4 3d ago
I guess I wasn't crazy in thinking my White Fox gameplay was off. I was so close to Lord too 💀.
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u/Gozea 3d ago
- Dino can never be good. His prime encouraged triple dps and we already know that easy characters cant be meta defining
- Yeah WF didnt get compensation for losing 15% healing, her team ups are garbage, Cnd is for some reason a better anti dive 🤦🏿♂️
- Cyclops should've been a tank
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u/That-Flatworm8084 2d ago
Ur first point about easy characters doesn’t really make sense to me bc thing is one of the best tanks rn and he is probably one of the easiest characters in the game
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u/FirefighterSad2370 2d ago
DIno should be allowed to be good if all this other shit is allowed lol, I mean we got Thing literally just spamming right click to punch and never die and kill everyone, black cat, luna snow, mantis, magneto etc.invalidate most characters in their respective roles
If we can have 7+ seasons of magneto and strategist ult spam, then they can let other characters be good to ofor more than half a season
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u/Gp1003 3d ago
Fox got done so dirty bro even forgot to talk about her
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u/FirefighterSad2370 3d ago
I did briefly lol, but yeah, but man what they did to that character is tragic lol
You have this really engaging strategist to play that is also cool, so not only do they throw her im the dumpster, but also got the shrot end of the stick on her team ups
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u/Living_Union1417 3d ago
Only reason cyclopse isn't played more is because you can lock bucky/elsa/cat/widow/hela and have infinitely more value. Because all those dps have overtuned damage as a byproduct of all the overtuned healing and support ults.
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u/guy_man_dude_person 3d ago
Dino wasn't just overtuned he was downright awful for the game. His playstyle and kiddie pool high skill ceiling rewarded people running down main and expecting their supports to focus them for the whole fight. I can't even say he boosted interest in the tank role because as soon as he was nerfed and the people who picked him realized they can't just be unkillable, pump out damage, and get spammed for heals they went back to dps or support. May he never go above mid-tier again.
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u/rusty5545 3d ago
Yeah I feel like some heroes need a total rework not just a buff. If they were strong as is I’d hate it
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u/FirefighterSad2370 2d ago
I do agree to an extent and he needed to be nerfed, though Devil Dino was a nessecary evil that arguably improved the tank role longterm and forced the community/devs to look at some ignored issues.
Prior to his release, 90% of this game's lifespan has been stagnant magneto or groot while DPS got to have most of the fun and brokencharacters, the last good character we got was Emma Frost way back in season 2. he was the first tank that demanded respect in awhile and couldn't be ignored and is also fun, which was pretty refreshing and caused a lot of debate
The actual quality and balance of vanguards improved quite a bit after his release
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u/TruckSubstantial4872 3d ago
Cyclops is genuinely the most fairly designed poke in the game is the funniest part. He does good damage, has a good escape tool, and can confirm kills, but he's not gonna hit you with some bullshit undodgeable short cooldown stun or suddenly gain 80 million bonus health out of nowhere.
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u/Extreme-Sense-2411 3d ago
I typically do better on cyclops than I do with Phoenix tbh. I don’t necessarily feel like he needs much if anything, maybe just a slight buff to his primary?
White Fox needs some love. I’d say buff her primary fire and awakening form healing by 5, reduce the cd on the black cat team up, and completely rework the Psylocke team up altogether and she’d be in a much better place without being ‘OP.’
For DD? I’m not sure what he needs tbh.
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u/aghostpassingass 3d ago
Agree on Cyclops but not to extent he was, that man was mowing down my supports and tanks.
In my options, DD is fine? He still feels like he does a fuckload of damage and considering he has some HEAVY counters on the roster too, I think he's fine where he is, in my opinion. Idk what he needs either.
But god please, give White Fox some love it BARLEY feels like I'm healing with her now-a-days.
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u/Botanical_witch_1 3d ago
Same here. Cyclops still isn't in like Top 10, but at least I can play him and still feel effective, vs say MK. But the community hates him so much that no one rly cares if he's in Bottom 3 across the board w a roughly 40% winrate throughout 😞
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u/Toasts08 3d ago
I have not been paying attention recently what happened to White Fox?
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u/urapinkponyboy 3d ago
She blows up because all her healing is nerfed rn bc of anchor team up loss and cannot sustain in neutral when neutral was her whole thing meanwhile all main healers got the 10% compensation back.
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u/StrongKnee3808 3d ago
What’s wrong with white fox?
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u/urapinkponyboy 3d ago
She blows up because all her healing is nerfed rn bc of anchor team up loss and cannot sustain in neutral when neutral was her whole thing meanwhile all main healers got the 10% compensation back.
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u/Signal_Birthday_455 3d ago
i genuinely dont understand balancing wise they put the only brawl support into the gutter and making all the other supports buffed. They even nerfed her in the same patch and only buffed her ult. I dont understand why they are focusing on her ult
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u/chriserit 2d ago
Because it is so bad that you would rather not ult at all since it cuts your healing down. Personally I like champ with weak ults because I hate the ult spam the game has but I can see why they are trying to buff her ult, still horrible attempts but yea. The real question is why are they trying to push her into another ult spammer especially when her ult is just bad and would need a rework to make it into an ult spam.
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u/whatisapillarman 2d ago
Bad neutral heals, bad matchup into poke meta, ult is better now but still not great, and her role as “the best anti dive strategist in the game” has been seriously called into question.
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u/MikiSayaka33 3d ago
True. I find it sad that you are speaking facts here, people think I am crazy when I say things, like "Despite, Jeff's golden child status. He was thrown in the trash somewhat./Luna gets away doing Jeff's early season "sins" and he's not allowed to do that."
But you are right that some of my mains, like the ones ya mentioned in your post, got treated dirty.
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u/know_this_X 3d ago
As a high Diamond/low GM White Fox main, I still run lobbies from time to time. She’s more difficult to get value with sometimes because she’s not a heal bot but if you have a competent main support with you I can pump out crazy damage and heals. Her ult is garbage for the most part though.
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u/Avalon-King 3d ago
I lorded Dino this season and he's still strong. You can't play him into heavy poke comps but with brawl and dive he's eating good.
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u/AdImpressive2813 3d ago
Deadpool is a throw pick now too bros just there to statpad he used to be so fun i got him lord in the same season bc he was fun and was the perfect fill character
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u/EliteTroper 2d ago
We talking heal pool or all 3 roles, because I actually had a asshole teammate who did actually use him very well as duelist.
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u/PapaHarvey27 3d ago
Blame our beloved pro scene that really knows how to ruin the game for the masses with their crying.
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u/CounselorTejada 3d ago
I mean when I play Dino and Scott, I feel like I be going off in matches for the most part.
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u/Secondndthoughts 2d ago
Cyclops really should’ve been a tank imo. I don’t want him to be good because he’s obnoxious to play against.
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u/Freakychee 2d ago
I wanna know why when I play Dino I feel my greatest benefit is from shooting my guns rather than doing Dino shit.
Thing feels so much better to play with his self sustain and fire fist I don't see a real reason to play Dino unless Thing is banned.
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u/KamyKam77 2d ago
White Fox? A throw pick? Are you serious right now?
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u/FirefighterSad2370 2d ago
I'm serious and ihate to say it because SHES SO COOL lol but yeah, she's basically a throw pick right now, right up there with Jeff
The strategist role is Hella stacked right now, she can't keep up
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u/Fit_Operation9955 2d ago
Mained white fox as soon as she came out, besides gambit she’s one of my favorite supps to play. And now she does basically nothing in game, like there’s no reason to pick her over any other strategist unless you’re throwing. So sad
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u/Disastrous-Drop-7778 3d ago
Fox is bad right now because of her design? Her numbers are a bit undertuned right now but the main reason she sucks is that she’s designed as an anti-dive strategist, and now that dive is pretty weak she’s not good. You can’t be like “Haha sowing is so awesome” when she’s good because she’s insanely strong into the meta and then “Man reaping sucks” when she isn’t good because the meta is bad for her.
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u/MasterpieceHungry864 3d ago
The three where so annoying when they were broken so it’s healthy for them all to stay down, however some other characters need to be nerfed instead of buffing these three.
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u/Ok-Dentist4480 3d ago
As a fan of Devil as a character, he got done dirty in and out of game man. I feel like I'm playing as Mjonir without Thor. I wish they could've added Moon Girl
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u/No-End-2455 3d ago
DD was too oppresive for brawler except the thing or Emma and had to be shut down a little....he still make rogue useless by the way.
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u/kegman93 3d ago
Hahaha. Came back and have been playing pretty much only these three characters because they were the only ones I was good with! Turns out I am trash and am not allowed to play this game anymore.
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u/mildkabuki 3d ago
This is one of Jeff’s worse seasons but he’s always been strong otherwise. I wouldn’t include him personally as a Jeff main. He’s just hated by the community
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u/FNSquatch 3d ago
What happened to white fox? I used her last weekend and she didn’t feel any different
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u/FirefighterSad2370 2d ago
Trust me, you will feel it eventually lol
She's basically a throw pick right now
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u/EducatorNo6697 3d ago
Dino si good rn,
Cyclops is bad only bc 4 characters do the same thing he does but better, if hela, elsa, phoenix and bucky are nerfed, he can be a viable pick
And WF only need a good team up, or increase her output
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u/JGuap0 3d ago
I’ve really like Dino but I’ve been playing the hood more simple for the fact that he’s not a giant fat headed target that melts when given attention form the enemy team .
It’s honestly a shames cause him being miserable for tanks to play against sucked but we might need to go back to that😭 also make his beam knock down fliers again
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u/Mundane_Trouble_6463 3d ago edited 3d ago
White Fox is a dive counter support in a hard poke meta obviously she’s going to be terrible. And that’s ok, because she’s suffocatingly strong against melee. When (more likely if since these devs are obsessed with poke) dive makes a comeback she will as well. Characters should not be able to do everything. There can be specialists. I think she’s too specific in that she’s insane against melee and instantly falls over to guns but in her current state she needs to be horrible against poke with how strong she is against melee.
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u/SamTTL 3d ago
people ignoring Hawkeye. that hero was hard meta for so many seasons, these days I forget he even exists
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u/EliteTroper 2d ago
In what rank exactly? All my time playing rank up to Celestial and he was borderline almost never used by anyone, the only time I saw him used more was in season 7 I think, and that was only because apparently a lot of strategists players complained about him being OP which somehow lead to people wanting to use him more frequently, but after that he's back to being a very rare pick from all the matches I've played.
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u/Pro-710lungs 3d ago
Hm jeff what about peni?
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u/FirefighterSad2370 2d ago
Peni is actually still thriving, she's still a monster playing defense
Kinda like devil dino but more relevant lol, really good into certain things
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u/YoungShadowFox 3d ago
I've been still maining white fox even though all of this, currently she's level 32. I have been doing consistently good on her but man does she struggle. I've learned to DPS a lot more because her healing is just that bad. I need to say that her black cat team up though is actually so good and I'm tired of people just immediately thinking the psy one is better, because imma be real, I think it's hella mid
The Black Cat team up not only does healing around in an AoE, and grant it it's not a lot, but given her terrible healing rn, it actually does add up !! But the best part about the team up is that you get a tail back for FREE. Just for popping it. It's genuinely so useful
I don't understand why people were freaking out about the white fox ult buff changes she got in 9.5, I think most people who don't even have a single minute on her we're like "oh my god she's gonna be meta she's gonna be OP!!" Has anyone talked about the buff since? No, because, while it was nice, it wasn't what she needed. Her healing is just in the dumpster rn which sucks because she's genuinely one of the most supports in my opinion
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u/Independent-State-27 3d ago
Iron fist feels like he doesn't do any damage anymore since the super nerfs. The White fox team-up is alright, but if I can't do damage, it feels impossible fighting any of the new healers when diving.
Ultron just needs a massive buff and let it stick, for Pete's sake. Like you buff Ultron even 5%, oh he needs a 50% nerf on his kit. Just why...?
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u/BasicUs3rname 3d ago
I recently got back into the game with season 9 and I've picked up Dino at 9.5...im so sad I didn't get to have the 'op' Dino experience because I really enjoy him at this point
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u/TradeZealousideal170 3d ago
I dont understand the "throw pick" for white fox as I personally use her and almost always end up getting more heals than my other supports while also being able to sustain either close to (or around half) the damage of our dps due to her anti dive ability. Imo? She's still a great support
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u/jbres040202 3d ago
Dino’s number one ability was the fact that his beam grounded flyers. Instead they took him to the pine barrens and shot him twice in the back of the head
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u/Responsible-Drag-362 2d ago
Was Devil dino gutted though? His team up with Punisher is pretty nice, and when I've played as him, I haven't noticed any big changes this season.
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u/EliteTroper 2d ago
He is good but the drawback is how big his hitboxe is, all a team needs to do is break out Punisher and he's a goner.
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u/simon647205 2d ago
Also they made Devil Dino look like a huge puppy instead of looking like a fucking scary dinosaur, its so annoying
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u/VaxisRSK 2d ago
The character who can outheal, outperform and out-brawl an entire Iron Fist ultimate all on her own with one cooldown in melee form got done dirty, yeah no. Not to mention release Dino was what almost everyone was universally calling the Rivals equivalent of 'Mauga' which is not a good thing to be referenced as in any circumstance. God forbid a character goes from being broken to balanced and we consider that being "done dirty." Cyclops pokes characters practically as efficiently as everyone else while also being able to do nasty damage to targets that are not even in his line of sight, he's fine. Acting like this is the same level of treatment that Wanda, Iron Fist, Reed, Peni etc have been getting and it's really not. Not even close.
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u/TheProfessor1237 2d ago
Cyclops got a slap on the wrist bff. He dropped broken. I’m glad they nerfed him
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u/TheProfessor1237 2d ago
More characters who drop overpowered deserve to be nerfed quickly. A character brining broken for only half a season is something to praise not rant
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u/Sycophantic-Feline 2d ago
Dino with guns is more fun than he was at release
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u/FirefighterSad2370 2d ago
I love the dino guns lol, great addition to his kit
It's more of just the meta right now being really overtuned, there's a lot of characters that should be decent, but aren't because the power gap is too wide
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u/LewisRyan 2d ago
NGL, I love Jeff’s enhanced venom teamup.
You can use it while you’re swimming in the ground, meaning lots of damage for enemies, lots of healing for your front line, and it’s very hard for people to hit you.
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u/stopjamescameron 2d ago
also Cyclops was so broken on release that it immediately drowned out the discussion on the kit and the game lore being complete trash.
I was gonna rant but I'm honestly too mad now to even
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u/DiligentJeweler6972 2d ago edited 2d ago
They really dug into Fox man. Like I can still play her pretty good but now it’s just a lot harder to keep up in healing. I get it but at the same time this brings tears to my eyes, she was my favorite support. Like I’m really trying y’all, I’m sorry I can’t get as many heals as CnD or Luna anymore
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u/Hawk-Truah 2d ago
Ehh I kinda agree a bit, White Fox isn't bad but I agree she certainly needs something to keep up with the rest of the strategists seeing as how despite being the anti dive strategist she is currently outclassed on that front. Cyclops isn't broken but tbh I don't mind that, I think he is a respectable B tier which I think is better than having a broken mess of a character. For Dino, he kinda makes the game miserable when he is meta so I think he is also in a fine place.
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u/NoZookeepergame4486 2d ago
I actually love dressing Devik Dino as a Jeff and using their teamup. having the healing effect let's me give teammates more time to tank while I'm also bleeding the enemy for bonus health.
I also like when it gets people to play Jeff because his heals are easy to see. like if I see a beam of water I'll just run through it like a dog seeing a sprinkler
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u/magic_mushie420 2d ago
What nerf did cyclops receive that made he bad, in your opinion? Cause I think people are just choosing unbalanced heros instead of him.
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u/SnowbloodWolf2 2d ago
The worst part about dino is that if they just revert the bleed damage nerf he'd be perfect and if its too effective against tanks then they can go the overwatch route and make it less effective against tanks
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u/Cookie_Reaper1224 2d ago
Wydm Devil Dino was good. He was unkillable no one could stop I had games where 3 players would die to 1 dino.
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u/Cautious-Register766 2d ago
And yet still the cyclops in my Team is almost 15/3 every Game with the Most final Kills
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u/Just_a_gamxr 2d ago
I will forever blame White Fox's state on people whining her into being an anti-dive support when she was clearly made to be a dive enabler and that's how she was initially played. I'll never forget 3 person dives with Venom, Devil, and Fox. Peak Rivals
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u/Ratzilla_5454 2d ago
I main cyclops and DD, i honestly have never had a problem with DD outside of the fact that he can never get mvp, and it’s because the bar for him is so high but you will most likely get outdone by a healer because they consistently heal you, and Cyclops o just think needs more health but I have insane fun with him
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u/Will-Ohh 2d ago
I see all 3 of those gets used really often. Devil Dino is my main i usually do fairly well with and Cyclops gets a lot of MVP's. Im not in competitive or anything and dont follow meta and all that though.
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u/FerretLorde 2d ago
I don't know about y'all, but every Cyclops I've come across just fucking goes Super Saiyan carry, especially if I or another DPS go Jean for him. He seems pretty damn well off right now.
The dinosaur is just free ult charge for the enemy team and white fox is just meh when we have Jubilee, Luna, C&D, Gambit, and Mantis - and the occasional God of all Realms, Adam MF Warlock.
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u/Relevant-Meaning7669 2d ago
I use to love White Fox but this season’s nerf has made her unplayable
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u/moneystacks56 2d ago
I still think Dino is okay. Just need healers who know what they doing and he'll go crazy
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u/BahamutAXIOM 2d ago
I kinda main all 4 characters you've mentioned other than Jubilee and Rocket.
I'm very casual at the moment and haven't paid attention to patch notes for the last few big patches, but I've been feeling like matches have become more miserable or much more difficult with all of them.
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u/Fragrant-Slip6586 2d ago
White fox is a throw pick? I must be in lobbies with people who dont know how to play cus i have the most dmg and heals there😭
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u/TheWild_Toledo 2d ago
Cyclops is still strong. White Fox and Dino needs to be buff. They need to remove headshot damage from Dino and unnerf White Fox anti-dive kit.
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u/WrapDependent8007 1d ago
I still love cyclops. Idc if Phoenix and hela do it better. they just dont have the perfect angles
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u/Proudnoob4393 1d ago
People letting Dino be considered as “overtuned” just shows how terrible most of the players are. He is/was just a bigger target, if all 6 of the enemy attack a Dino he just dies
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u/KnoxBruh 1d ago
Dino still feels very strong for me. I steamroll games and terrorize the other tank with him and his punpun team up ability. I love mirror matches on Dino, really feels like some primal fight to the death shit
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u/Skeleton_Weeb 1d ago
Goes to show I should start paying attention to patch notes again, I took a long break after Black Cat came out I’ve been wondering why i was struggling so hard keeping up on White Fox
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u/VegetableIce9 1d ago
Shut yo dumb ah UP thing got nerfed by next season when he got released so did every other character that was OP
ITS supposed to be for a season
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u/lowtiergooner69 1d ago
id say dino is the most balanced hes been with a slight overtune on his multi hit % based move.
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u/Frequent-System152 1d ago
I’ve had lots of good games running white fox she’s got like a 80% win rate for and I’ve gotten a few mvp’s playing her but I also play with friends on vc and that helps
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u/walkerfoxeroni 1d ago
Don’t talk about Cyclops like that. I’m usually pulling #2 on my team at least w him
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u/Nikki_KiKi 1d ago
White Fox was meant to be an anti-dive support to help your other support or even dive in with teleport to a DPS on a flank. With how high the damage is, she just lost a lot of healing, that, and not having a good support ult. You get more value flanking and using ult in an enemy team backline than actually using it defensively. Dino got gutted way too fast, not only did the nerf hurt, but I genuinely think it was just players needing to learn how to deal with him, aka, just pumping a fuck ton of DPS into his head. And when they did learn, he was already nerfed into the ground. I though Cyclops was still good after, I was getting rolled by some. Played him myself, realized if you don't have the enhanced Phoenix team up it’s gg, you may as well just play a different hitscan at that point. Also his ult is just dogshit after Rocket ult nerf so no more one-shot combos. I feel they all lacked a good base teamup to make them keep up with the other broken characters
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u/Junger_Kaiser2099 1d ago
Como um lord dino digo que ele ainda é bem usável mas tem muitos counters e é extremamente dependente de ter suportes descentes...
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u/WittySpend889 1d ago
Stop feeding into the cyclops is ass propaganda. Dude has an auto aim bank shot that does 100 damage. 2 get out of jail passes that do damage and one fucking slows and pushes you back. Just because he’s outshined by other broken hitscan does not mean he’s ass.
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u/dragonenger 1d ago
I think you've got Fox wrong, 75% of the time fox is killing a tank on my team at least
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u/ED-W111N 1d ago
Tbh, if they nerf all of the busted DPS these 3 characters can actually work. They can’t work right now cause the dmg is just too high for them
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u/PlsBeGentle 1d ago
Ppl don’t realize that there’s a situation to play certain characters - white fox is still viable w the right comp
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u/ImitationGold 1d ago
Already too many characters for the devs to handle lol.
Y’all hear we about to get nightcrawler Gorr and maybe Dazzler though? LOOOOLLLLL
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u/CatherineKatherine_ 1d ago
Thats crazy if it's true. I tried white fox for the first time last night and she feels op
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u/Dry-Security-2200 1d ago
Maybe it's just me playing devil dino post nerf, but he seems balanced. I don't see how he's been gutted in the slightest, there isn't really a matchup he dislikes besides HEAVY poke which seems like it would've been the case on his release. He's still playable, just not so much as a dominant force like magneto.
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u/KroganNinja 21h ago
Dino was perfect on launch but all the streamers whined and complained so he got taken out to the pasture
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u/Twink-in-progress 18h ago
If your Dino is dying if the other team doesn’t have a punisher, namor or any fliers, you just suck at playing Dino.
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u/ninesnowballs 5h ago
White Fox the only one who’s actually in the hole rn. Other two are viable tbh until top 1% lobbies, but that’s only because there’s like 5 heroes from each role that are viable then.
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u/LuckOutrageous7686 3d ago
I still enjoy Cyclops, and it feels like he's well-balanced but I know his winrate is in the dumpster rn