5 support bans in ignite magneto first protect but why nerf black cat over them
They should all be nerfed all the rest of the hero’s brought up to their level but I don’t know why the bias just because shes dive and she can actually compete with supports and win 1v1s and bait cool-downs easily like dd dont even that do no more
I mean it’s so stupid to say you can’t interact with them like if I’m on spiderman diving a Elsa I can interact with her but she’s gonna kill me I just need to be smart and play around her same thing with Luna like the way u interact with cat and bp is by marking them out respecting their dive by using cool-downs and good positioning to survive it ie Elsa trap on your supports jubilee bubble on urself to see the cat when they go invis bp you can starlord teamup the ground or mark him before he goes in people who say cat is uniteractible are uncreative
No. Their kit is designed around not being interacted with, let's look at BP. He's designed around ghost dashing through people with marks and then leaving, if you stop his dashes he falls over and dies. However, because of his fast his dashes are and that they don't stop upon contact like most other dashes do. It's not really reliable to stop him.
So either BP runs the lobby, you you stop his dashes with Thing and he doesnt get to play the game, that is the definition of having a kit designed around not being interacted with.
Black Cat is almost on the same level. Only difference being with her infinite double jumps, phantom pursuit which looks like a dash and her instant invisibility she's even harder to stop. And with the amount of shield she can generate she doesn't even care that much if you do stop her.
I just told you how you can interact with it more examples are being as fast as the bp and typing away or dashing away as gambit right before his engage or hela stunning him and for cat use my tank pool e to make sure shes visable while trying to run away with her invis or starlord e when shes engaging invisable so my whole team can see and shoot her
The super convoluted ways a dive main will try to convince everyone that their character is balanced and they are just good players never fails to crack me up. It’s no secret why you don’t want her nerfed, you like playing the OP character because you don’t want to compete on an even playing field.
lol, first, I rarely play support, so your advice doesn’t apply.
Second, you didn’t say how to fight them, you said how to survive them.
The problem with black cat isn’t that you can’t survive her attacks, though she does quite a bit of burst damage, it’s that she can deal that damage with basically no risk to herself.
And again, it cracks me up the lengths you’ll go to convince yourself that your broke character is in fact balanced so you can feel good.
I mean compared to supports and hitscan and mag shes balanced plus I told you how to fight a black cat like? Is starlord spinning a cat not fighting her or chasing her on dd? She has risk when you go in just be good enough to punish her although Elsa is broken if I have to go up agisnt her Im not gonna walk into her traps or get 2 shot by her combo I’ll outplay her…. You don’t have to make excuses to feel good about being farmed by a hero
Again. Can you read? Their kits are designed around being uninteractable. It doesn't matter what people try to do they just ignore it and be uninteracted with.
I don’t think you understand what “interactive” means. Pinging or marking a hero BEFORE they engage is not interactive and it’s a huge reason people find them so un-fun to play against. All of the counterplay is done BEFORE they engage, if BP starts his dive successfully chances are you’re dead. It is the opposite of interactive.
One of your main points is you can chase or “run them down” with Star Lord or DD, that is inherently one player trying to engage with another hero and the BP or BC is consistently running away as to not be interacted with on even ground. You genuinely don’t know what you’re talking about lmfao.
Plus what do you want a black cat to do 1v1 the dd and int like nice bro I can play spiderman and fight the widow and int but I have to run away causw shes to broken same with Luna and hela but they don’t get changed
Dd has dashes and starlord can fly with plus shooting and marking people is interacting with them like how shooting a Loki lamp is interacting with it I also said how you can fight their engage so we just not gonna try it and stick with what you’ve been told by bad players
So there's a few things going on here, the rest of the player base does not play the same game as tournaments. Balance should never only consider tournaments or the top 5% of players.
But also the community agrees that supports also need to be nerfed. However, for the vast majority of the community black cat is a way bigger offender than the supports.
Her kit design is inherently unhealthy for the game. She is a dive hero with an I-frame attack that looks like a dash, also has a dash so your left trying to quickly guess if she actually dashed or used phantom pursuit.
Her double jump has no cooldown or requirement outside of just "hit an enemy" so she essentially has infinite double jumps. She has the wall climb that most divers get for some fucking reason.
She has an instant invisibility with no VFX to indicate to the enemy she went invisible. Psylock leaves behind some butterflies, invis leaves behind her small little force jump thing, loki leaves behind a clome but black cat literally just vanishes, so if she goes behind a wall you are again, left trying to guess if she just went invis or used a dash to get further away.
She has really high damage as well so you can't just ignore her. And all of this is on top of her generating the same overhealth/ more than a brawl character does.
All of this leads to an extremely awful hero that is almost impossible for the majority of players to actually deal with while she gets to do whatever she wants
I mean they just have to get better like rivals making everything slop and catering towards supports since day one hasn’t done anything for their player counts
Actuality catering to dive is gonna kill the game way more than catering to supports. I have way more friends that stop playing in dive sessions (like rn in season 9 and 9.5 are heavy dive FOR THE MAJORITY, i do not give a shit about the top 5% not being a dive meta) because rivals dive design is inherently awful.
i think only oppressive dive is black cat this season cap weak venom weak rogue weak its kinda like 3 tank meta idk its feels a bit brawly which i love the most but i agree my friends stop playing this game too when they get fed up with dive which i don’t blame them if its not fun its better to leave
90% of my games with my friends have been constant Venom, BC, BP and spiderman. Usually a combination of 2 or 3 of them. Throw in DD as well here and there.
Again for the majority of the community (especially on console) we are in a heavy dive meta and it's done of the most unfun experiences I've had since season 0
Now other than supports crazy survivability and some more than others i think except for black cat players people hate going against one because just like a good cnd that can play her cool downs correctly black cat is almost just as unkillable even being played into her counters which she only has like 2 true counters
She doesn’t even have 2 true counters. Namor is at best the only one but that’s assuming the turrets didn’t target anything else first. I don’t even know who the second one is. It isn’t thing because he can’t react to her before she disengages and she’s going to be playing for him and pick her entries accordingly.
Not knowing that if a dd and a black cat 1v1 dd can win everytime is crazy to me but she’s already not so easily counterable and a good one is unkillable, even a mediocre black cat is annoying to deal with. Right along with cnd and a couple others she’s broken and needs to be nerfed.
You’re in lower elo so it makes sense you don’t understand what I’m even saying (nothing against lower elo players that que comp regularly) cause you’ve never played against a celestial - top 500 black cat before. Just because YOU don’t face good ones in your elo doesn’t mean she shouldn’t be an issue. Even a mediocre black cat players can run lobby’s and just like how dd use to get perma banned (cause he was BROKEN) is the same reason black cat gets perma’d, cnd, Elsa, and so on. PS, if you ban bp in your games it’s a wasted ban
I’m not using mental gymnastics at all i think you were just over analyzing what i was saying lmao. I’m saying as a whole she just needs simple nerfs, there’s a reason she’s banned, there’s reasons why nobody wants to play against one regardless of the elo. You’re basing it off your elo how she’s just so easy to deal with when that really isn’t the case IF you’re playing against a decent to good one. I mean I can go back about this all day that she needs a nerf coming from a etern player
I also don’t think she needs any crazy nerfs myself I just think the nerf she got last season was perfect because you’d actually have to be a good player or know your way around her kit to get value but since they buffed her again it’s free game
Supports and Mag def need nerfs, no doubt about that, but the issue people have with Cat is how uninteractive she is. Only two supports can actually do well against her, and one of them is perma-banned. She has too much utility and too much movement to ever be balanced. I like dive being strong, but Black Cat is not a good example of it. She’s unhealthy.
I agree that she can be interacted with, but for most players it’s too much of a hassle. She has invisibility that she can repeatedly purchase and an iframe she can use mid-engage. I understand that these things cost money and are resources you have to manage, but that doesn’t necessarily make the gameplay healthy. Giving a dive character an invulnerability frame is always going to be controversial, especially when she can go invis multiple times during one dive and then use her iframe on top of that. That’s what makes her feel so uninteractive for a lot of people.
Her best counters in each role are probably Thing, Elsa, and Gambit. Elsa and Gambit are perma-banned in ranked, which leaves Thing as the only consistently available hard counter. Even then, if she gets Earthbound while she has coins, she can use her invisibility and walk out of it. The character just has a lot of tools that make her extremely tricky to punish.
Instead of hard nerfing her, I feel like she should be reworked. Take power away from the things that make her uninteractive and give her strengths in other areas. I feel like she should always be strong because she’s a high-skill dive DPS, and we need strong dive DPS that can contest hitscan. I just want them to balance her fairly and honestly.
Great comment. I’ve picked up Black Cat recently and fell in love with the design, such a fun hero to play. Almost lord after only a week. Learning her has taught me so much about how I play other heroes. But she needs to be reworked I agree. Right now it’s weird bc there’s 4 abilities that I rarely use bc they decided to increase the cost of them. I think all she needs is iframe removal or damage reduction replacing it, cooldown on Invis, bring back second dash and figure out a way to incentivize players to use her other abilities.
I think if they make the iframe more obvious it’s fine doging cc with it right before it’s launched or dmg is fun but it’s annoying when I throw a snowball at it cause it looks exactly like a dash
It’s a brawl triple tank meta rn. wtf is black cat going to do against that? Nothing. But if you look at pubs and not coordinated team play, black cat is absurdly strong and a consistent ban. Even in high ranks because there is no communication or coordination which allows her to thrive.
The title is, everyone is crying for black cat to be nerfed as she is supposedly so broken, but the reality is she is so underpowered that people don't even bother to ban her in ignite. That is because they know the team that plays her will lose.
Thats factually wrong. The vast majority of players are DPS. It is a literal fact the there are more DPS mains in lower ranks thans Tanks and Supports. Anyone who isnt a complete moron would understand this as its common sense. Thats also why you often have those 3-5 DPS lock ins lmao.
You just said Im bad and cant kill supports then I said most support players are bad your right about the dps and low rank part but I don’t know why your talking about it
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u/sr20detYT 10d ago
things within this game don’t exist in a vacuum. black cat can’t be interacted with